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Posted on 03/21/2010 7:05:17 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Hoyer: Not at 216 yet

Countering some of the "we've got it" optimism of several colleagues, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer seems to be saying that Democrats do not yet have the 216 votes they need to pass health care reform.

"We’re going to get those 216 votes because we believe that they understand that Americans want health care reform by an overwhelming majority," Hoyer said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

When host David Gregory asked Hoyer if he has the votes now, the Maryland Democrat said: "I think we’re going to have 216 when the roll is called, yes."

Gregory: "But not yet? You're not nailed down, a few behind?"

Hoyer: "There are still members looking at it, trying to make up their minds, we think 216 plus votes when we call the roll.


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What a charade......
1 posted on 03/21/2010 7:05:17 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

I just got an e-mail notification from CNN that according to blah blah the demorons now have the 216 votes... Welcome to Amerika


2 posted on 03/21/2010 7:07:08 AM PDT by hippyhater
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To: Sub-Driver

They are lying. Stupak is gonna cave.

This Congress and “president” brought to you by McCain-Feingold and the lying liberal TV news media.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 7:08:46 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Sub-Driver

The outcome of any vote by Congress on health care is irrelevant since Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care! Therefore the so called legislation on its face is Unconstitutional! The people are not bound to comply with an Unconstitutional act of Congress! This is a power regulated to the states per the 10th Amendment!

It is the reason why Idaho and Virginia have passed legislation blocking federal health care from being illegally imposed on the citizens of those states by reasserting their 10th Amendment rights and 34 other states considering similar legislation! This is the point people need to hammer home with their Congress critters!


4 posted on 03/21/2010 7:09:56 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

I find it hard to believe that this would be coming to a vote if the DemonRats didn’t have the numbers. This was supposed to be all wrapped up in August, they’ll slow-roll it as long as they need to.


5 posted on 03/21/2010 7:10:15 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Sub-Driver

When is MTP taped?

If this is true, Hoyer is waiting on the Stupak deal with Obama and his executive order, etc. to give him cover.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 7:10:29 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Frantzie
Stupak is gonna cave.

Not caving...he has always planned to vote yes if his party needs it.

7 posted on 03/21/2010 7:11:30 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Well, they haven’t brought it to the floor yet. We will see if it comes to the floor.


8 posted on 03/21/2010 7:12:51 AM PDT by Columbia ("The Gem of the Ocean, The home of the brave and the free, the shrine of each patriotÂ’s devotion")
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To: Sub-Driver

They’ve had it all along. Anyone watching the Fire Dog Lake blog as some kind of barometer is a kidding themselves - she’s just recording when they announce which way they will vote. She doesn’t have info on the “Un-decideds”. There never were any such things. Stupak and his group will cave; they will strip the Medicare cuts once the bill is passed. And we will have Obamacare by sundown tonight. We cannot stop it because they have no interest in listening to us.


9 posted on 03/21/2010 7:13:26 AM PDT by antonico
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To: Frantzie
The problem for Stupak now....If he caves at this late hour, he'll be leading the Kamikaze parade in November and appear to be a huge fool.

I would be surprised if he sells out now.

10 posted on 03/21/2010 7:13:36 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Sub-Driver

They probably have about 220 and right now are working on who are most vulnerable in November and deciding who won’t have to vote for it.


11 posted on 03/21/2010 7:13:39 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Just read on Sean’s board that Loretta Sanchez is a no vote, and from Firedoglake it’s showing:

favor 204
lean favor 0
lean oppose 10
oppose 209
undecided 8

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/20/glenn-nye-loretta-sanchez-to-vote-no-209/


12 posted on 03/21/2010 7:13:44 AM PDT by Ballygrl
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
That’s what Geraldine Ferraro (sp?) said on Fox...Pelosi would not call a vote unless she knew 100% that she had the votes.
13 posted on 03/21/2010 7:13:50 AM PDT by halo66
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To: Sub-Driver
We’re going to get those 216 votes because we believe that they understand that Americans want health care reform by an overwhelming majority," Hoyer said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The rats and their running dog media should burn for continuing to perpetuate this lie. We are seeing our republic turn into a tyranny.
14 posted on 03/21/2010 7:14:34 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: KarlInOhio

What would the effect of Stupid Stupak and the EO be on the Senate?


15 posted on 03/21/2010 7:15:48 AM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Man50D
The outcome of any vote by Congress on health care is irrelevant since Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care! Therefore the so called legislation on its face is Unconstitutional! The people are not bound to comply with an Unconstitutional act of Congress! This is a power regulated to the states per the 10th Amendment!

So how do we "opt out" of the taxes that are going to be heaped upon us once this unconstitutional law is passed?

My wife and I were talking and we deemed that our taxes were already paid for this year and passed that into law!

Where do I go to legally challenge this as a common citizen?

I want to get this ball rolling now!

Would a class action law suit against the government work?

16 posted on 03/21/2010 7:18:23 AM PDT by bayliving (What are YOU prepared to sacrifice in order to preserve freedom?)
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To: Rational Thought

I hope you are right.

I think his district is safe. When liberal Catholics in his district have to chose between a possible hell for babies like Romania, one of the worst under communism for abortions, or the union and their govt goodies - the babies lose everytime.


17 posted on 03/21/2010 7:18:59 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: NoobRep

It seems to me that an EO that truly and effectively bans money from the Senate bill going to abortions or abortion coverage would have the same effect as a line item veto, except the two houses would not be allowed to over-ride.


18 posted on 03/21/2010 7:19:22 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if people follow. Otherwise, you just wandered off.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Trying to socialize all of American medicine........

by ONE VOTE !!!!!!!!!!!


19 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:01 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: NoobRep
What would the effect of Stupid Stupak and the EO be on the Senate?

I don't think the Senate will pick this back up. If this passes today they will have what they want and have no need to get back into the mudpit.

20 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:18 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Obamacare: The 2010 version of the Intolerable Acts.)
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To: hippyhater
I just got an e-mail notification from CNN that according to blah blah the demorons now have the 216 votes

Our local radio station reported via Fox News that they had 216 as well and that it was going to pass by 1 vote.
21 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:28 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mrsmel

People love their insipid TV reality shows and meaningless ball games. Serfdom and control come through the TV. Changing channels and turning it off does not fix it. Cancelling service enmasse is the only way. People will chose serfdom.


22 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:48 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Sub-Driver
And God spoke.

Does anyone have a similar pic of a lightening bolt hitting the Capital building?


23 posted on 03/21/2010 7:20:55 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Sub-Driver

“We’re going to get those 216 votes because we believe that they understand that Americans want health care reform by an overwhelming majority,” Hoyer said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

These people are DELUSIONAL!


24 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:00 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s all a part of the dog and pony Communist show.


25 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:14 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Sub-Driver

From the progressive site Fire Dog Lake: Last Updated: 11:14 pm ET, 3/20/09

Favor 204
Lean Favor 0

Oppose 209
Lean Oppose 10

Undecided 8

http://firedoglake.com/


26 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:32 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Frantzie

“They are lying. Stupak is gonna cave.”

Yep


27 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Frantzie

They are lying.


That is my take. They want to bring the drama to a head during the vote so it can appear like a truely “magical” moment. They would not have let it go this far if they thought there was any possibility of losing.


28 posted on 03/21/2010 7:23:43 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Code Red

29 posted on 03/21/2010 7:23:57 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Thank you for your contribution. Your comment has been submitted for review.)
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To: halo66

“That’s what Geraldine Ferraro (sp?) said on Fox...Pelosi would not call a vote unless she knew 100% that she had the votes.”

Which is exactly why Reid’s statement “I think we’re going to have 216 when the roll is called” is completely meaningless. By definition, they will have 216 votes when the roll is called, since they wouldn’t be calling it otherwise. They could be 40 votes short and his statement would be just as true. The ISSUE is whether they have 216 votes to call the roll today—a question he conveniently ducked.


30 posted on 03/21/2010 7:24:17 AM PDT by DrC
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Trying to socialize all of American medicine........

It's not about medicine. It's all about POWER AND SOCIALISM.

31 posted on 03/21/2010 7:24:32 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Frantzie
Agreed. Stupak is a dem first and foremost. He is an unprincipled pro-life person, because he is a dem first.
These people are sickening.
32 posted on 03/21/2010 7:24:35 AM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: halo66
That’s what Geraldine Ferraro (sp?) said on Fox...Pelosi would not call a vote unless she knew 100% that she had the votes.

Like the first stimulus vote? We are not dealing with a band of Mensa folks here, she is a drug addled, shaker. The woman takes a handful of pills every morning(fact). Could she have the votes? sure, and I think she was downright cocky yesterday AM, but since then, since she hung herself out there, she has to vote now. Also Ferraro said Coakley was a done deal in Mass, even when te polls showed her losing, once a loser always a loser. Fritz and T*ts.1984..DONE DEAL!

33 posted on 03/21/2010 7:24:55 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Man50D

“It is the reason why Idaho and Virginia have passed legislation blocking federal health care from being illegally imposed on the citizens of those states by reasserting their 10th Amendment rights and 34 other states considering similar legislation! “

1) Virginia

2) Idaho

3) Arizona (me)

30 odd more to follow.


34 posted on 03/21/2010 7:25:11 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Frantzie
Stupak will cave on the “Exec order” banning public abortion funding.

Obama will reverse the Order after it passes.

Fools all.

36 posted on 03/21/2010 7:26:08 AM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: Sub-Driver

We have a new ballgame boys and girls...

I just watched Fox News Sunday and learned that the “deem and pass” or “slaughter rule” is dead, and the Dhimmies have agreed to an up or down vote on the Senate Bill itself, the one Peloski herself was quoted last week saying she was so glad her members did not have to vote on, because it is full of the arm-twisting deals Harry Reid had to put in to get his troops to vote for it.

I am pretty certain that means the House will also have a direct up or down vote on the “reconciliation” package of “fixes” as well, that includes all of the arm-twisting deals that Madam Shpeaker had to include for her flock.

I think this is a best-case scenario for the Taxpayers, who are still raising so much hell that you cannot place a phonecall out on Capitol Hill. John Cornyn is vowing to expose every single special deal that the House makes, and is telling the House Dhimmies to be very, very careful about what they vote to approve, because it will not pass in the Senate.

I’m not saying that we have a slam dunk by any means, but it is a new ballgame this morning kids, so I give it 60/40 odds this morning that Peloski will delay that vote rather than chance it being voted down all together. If this is killed in the House, that is the end of the ballgame for Premier Hussein and the Dhimmies this Fall. They have painted themselves into a corner on this and it serves them right that there is no safe way out.


37 posted on 03/21/2010 7:26:17 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Sub-Driver
Ask yourself this...who will want to be the congresscritter whose name will go down on the record as "AYE number 216?" That will take huge gonads or ovaries. Just my opinion.
38 posted on 03/21/2010 7:26:22 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: KansasGirl
“We’re going to get those 216 votes because we believe that they understand that Americans want health care reform by an overwhelming majority,” Hoyer said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” These people are DELUSIONAL!

It probably goes without saying that Gregory didn't ask him to point a poll that supports his statement. Right?
39 posted on 03/21/2010 7:26:40 AM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: halo66

I would have agreed with this prior to the TARP vote last year that failed and sent the stock market off a cliff.


40 posted on 03/21/2010 7:27:52 AM PDT by pb929
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To: Bean Counter

If they call for a vote, they have the numbers. We have a bunch of lawyers running Congress. A good lawyer doesn’t ask a question he doesn’t know the answer to already....


41 posted on 03/21/2010 7:28:20 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: KarlInOhio

“...I don’t think the Senate will pick this back up.
If this passes today they will have what they want
and have no need to get back into the mudpit...”
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Exactly.
If the senate passes a bill (which they did);
and the house approves that bill (which they are proposing to do);
then what is the motivation for the senate to consider making changes?
They will already have what they want.


42 posted on 03/21/2010 7:28:32 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Thank you for your contribution. Your comment has been submitted for review.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Trying to socialize all of American medicine........

by ONE VOTE !!!!!!!!!!!

There, FIXED!

43 posted on 03/21/2010 7:28:50 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: penelopesire

Can all this stuff be called VOTE or DEALS ?

Is USA ruled by ZERObama still a democracy?
Wake up free people! The fight is only going on


44 posted on 03/21/2010 7:29:56 AM PDT by Ulysse (a)
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To: Sub-Driver

Wasserman on FNS also did not commit to 216 at this point.


45 posted on 03/21/2010 7:30:46 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Evil Slayer

46 posted on 03/21/2010 7:30:50 AM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: mmichaels1970

Foxnews has been saying that for days!


47 posted on 03/21/2010 7:31:24 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Frantzie
Come to think of it (after my 4th cup of coffee finally has me awake), let's say that Stupak agrees to vote in favor in exchange for a Presidential Veto of Federally Funded Abortions. What will happen to the 40 or so Democrats who are claiming they are voting for this bill because of that provision??

oh the irony, that we the people could end up victorious because of the Pro-Abortion crowd.

48 posted on 03/21/2010 7:32:00 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Sub-Driver

What amazes me is that getting re-elected should be the LEAST of their concerns if those bass turds pull this crap.


49 posted on 03/21/2010 7:32:00 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: Sub-Driver

House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson says Democrats have clinched the 216 votes they need to pass President Barack Obama’s health-reform plan. “We have the votes now — as we speak,” Larson told ABC’s “This Week.” “President Roosevelt passed Social Security. Lyndon Johnson passed Medicare. Today, Barack Obama will pass health-care reform.” Pressed if some Democrats may lose their seats for supporting health reform, Larson said: “Yes. It’s quite possible.” Leaders expect the vote between 6 p.m. and midnight.


50 posted on 03/21/2010 7:32:23 AM PDT by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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