Skip to comments.Drew Carey Says Libertarians Can ‘Get Away’ in Hollywood, but Conservatives Pretty Much ‘Doomed’
Posted on 03/21/2010 7:46:16 AM PDT by 198ml
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Yes I know. You roll the dice in Vegas but you can’t get a roll in the hay.
Well, not legally...
My impression from the article is that he’s speaking of the Hollywood mind-set, and in that respect he’s correct.
I don't know, but I suspect that prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas because it would hurt the profits of the other vice (gambling). Most people do not like whores trolling for business in their presence, and no good neighborhood where middle-class law-abiding people live will have open solicitation going on. Drugs, gambling, and prostitution are all dangerous to stable family life, which is the basis for all civilization, including free civilization.
Drew must have been listening to MeCain.
I guess Drew thinks...
1. Adhering to the U.S. Constitution is radical
2. Reading up on our Founding, and understanding why our nation was formulated like it was, and supporting that is radical.
3. Objecting to killing a million unborn each year is radical.
4. Thinking that each of our citizens should be able to keep the benefits of the sweat of their brow, is radical.
5. Thinking that parents are the best people to make the decisions for their children is radical.
6. Thinking our borders should be protected against the illegal hoards is radical.
7. Supporting small government and more personal responsibility is radical.
8. Supporting a business friendly environment so that more of our citizens can find work in the private sector, is radical.
9. Thinking that having more people working for the government rather than the private sector is terribly wrong is radical.
10. Thinking that our military should be so powerful that no nation would ever think of challenging it, is radical.
11. Thinking that our citizen's safety trumps the comfort of terrorist detainees is radical.
12. Thinking that a nation that was developed side by side with another, that applied itself to making a better life for it's people is better than a territory that refused to create a better life for it's people rather than try to destroy every Jew in it's neighbor nation, is radical.
13. Thinking that capitalism is better than fascism is radical.
14. Thinking the the same form of governance that has been tried and has never worked successfully with or without oppression of it's citizens, is a bad unacceptable idea, is radical.
15. Thinking that the U.S. should become energy independent and develop it's own energy resources on and off it's shores, is radical.
16. Thinking that international agreements that impair our ability to make sovereign decisions, is radical.
17. Thinking that the government should not be running over 50% of what used to be the private sector is wrong, is radical.
18. Thinking that our schools should not be teaching homosexuality to our K-12 children is radical.
19. Thinking that placing homosexual marriage on the same par with Heterosexual marriage is wrong, is radical.
20. Thinking that our nation should be a God fearing nation, is radical.
Sorry Drew, your idea of radical and mine are quite different.
Shut the hell up with the whole “you propose we bring back prohibition,” “look at all the organized crime it created” crap! Yes it’s a major problem, but that’s like the RIDICULOUS equivalent of saying “Well I have one arm missing already, let’s chop my other perfectly functioning arm just to be even.” And oh yea — there’s also that one tiny mundane detail of alcohol not being even in the SAME UNIVERSE as H or crack or Oxy or meth.
Since 2003, Las Vegas mayor Oscar Goodman has repeatedly stated that he favors legalization of prostitution in the city, perhaps turning East Fremont Street into a little Amsterdam. Goodman said there are pragmatic reasons to back legalized prostitution. Those include the acknowledgement that illegal prostitution is occurring and that brothels could provide safer, regulated and revenue-generating sex, he said.
Drew Carey is from Cleveland and thus not really an American.
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!
And oh yea theres also that one tiny mundane detail of alcohol not being even in the SAME UNIVERSE as H or crack or Oxy or meth.
Are you seriously asserting that alcohol abuse in the United States causes far less damage than meth abuse?
I’m not opposed to that take on it actually. I would certainly hope that he doesn’t harbor that view.
I did not mention the amendments, particularly our right to own weapons in that list. It’s an important right to champion because it is infringed to a degree no other right is.
So, in Hollywood, you end up with irrational people who left an area to pursue an almost insane dream. They spend most of their working career pretending to be someone other than who they actually are.
Yep, and as far as employment, he couldnt get arrested.
Jon has a new series on FOX this fall, called "Midland."
Voight is one, so is Sinise. It’s a question, what’s more important, your principles or your pocketbook. Libertarians usually fail on this question.
You want a healthy family, don’t be a libertarian. Don’t tolerate the liberal social garbage that destroys people.
Are you “seriously asserting” just as many and anybody can get a dimebag of meth from every liquor store?
-are you “seriously asserting” fear of incarceration isn’t a major deterrent to some middle class whiteboy in the suburbs who may be curious about trying coke but doesn’t know how to get it and/or is too scared to?
-don’t act like you know how the drug trade works or think it’s like that in every inner city just cuz you’ve seen The Wire.
Of COURSE not! That ship has sailed, thus all the more reason we shouldn’t normalize the use of every other drug in today’s culture and society.
Far more destructive drugs already exist — it’s called entitlement and welfare programs — just look at Greece. Thus it’s all the more reason not to flood our homes w/ more destructive drugs.
Absolutely agree 100%. And I thought post #42 was a great reasoning of how libertarians fail in their thinking.
“Unfortunately they can take years to die and can do enormous amounts of damage in the mean time.”
That is why we have a Second Amendment.
The only reason that libertarians do not call themselves "liberal" is that Progressives somehow appropriated that word in the early 20th century. Until then "liberal" referred to the philosophy of John Locke, which was indeed the philosophy of the Founders. Certain key concepts reasoned by Locke form the basis of the American idea of government and the rationale for its Declaration of Independence, and are incorporated directly in its founding documents. The Founders were liberals in this sense and their opponents, the Tories, were the conservatives.
Unfortunately, the language of politics has become so corrupted that it almost seems as if it were "designed to diminish the range of thought", which was the objective of Newspeak in Orwell's 1984. The words "conservative" and "liberal" have no fixed definition and mean precisely what the speaker (or hearer) intend them to mean, nothing more nor less. Unfortunately, the word "libertarian" has recently been similarly corrupted with knuckleheads as diverse as Noam Chomsky, Bill Maher, and Glenn Beck referring to themselves as liberatarian, or leaning libertarian. It may be somewhat correct for Beck since he's at least superficially partial to the Founders, but Chomsky and Maher's views align with the Founders and "real" libertarians in very few regards and only by coincidence.
"The end of Law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge Freedom." -Locke
Libertarians are no more supportive of the Obama nanny state than they are of the Giuliani nanny state.
The same faux reasoning that you use to justify prohibition against vices that you do not like have been applied to beer, demon rum, Coca Cola, Big Macs, comic books, and religion. I suppose your slogan should be, “it’s not fascism when we do it.” Government is not going to create heaven on earth. But it is pretty adept at creating infernos, and that’s where your reasoning inevitably leads. Obama and Pelosi rationalize their positions in exactly the same way as you.
Sane libertarians left the movement when Ayn Rand arived with her hippy commune crowd.
Got to get rid of the welfare state first, otherwise it’s not a Libertarian paradise but a Brave New World dystopia.
Alcohol is used without serious damage by millions of people, and has been for thousands of years. It’s entrenched in our culture. There is no such thing as “safe” use of meth, which is a synthetic chemical of recent origin.
make that: ‘defeat their attempt to create a “clean” habitat...’
Vegas. “Where you spend all night in the casino just trying to get ahead/and you spend all day at The Holiday Inn just trying to get out of bed’’.
I certainly agree that you have an unalienable right to an opinion and to express it at any time or by any means at your disposal. Only a statist like, say, John McCain or Van Jones would disagree.
But you are not entitled to your own facts. Progressives used the exact argument you advance to obtain passage of Amendment XVIII in 1919. Alcohol-related crime increased with its prohibition.
Lots of people have advanced arguments about regulating fatty foods, transfats, and soft drinks due to adverse health effects. You can pretty safely bet that national dietary regulation will appear in the next few years. (But I am sure you wouldn't because some people have gambling problems.) The rationale is the same as yours: some people can't help themselves, so they need a nanny government.
WRT religion, there are a lot of people in high places who think that all, or at least some, religions are destructive to social order and individual mental health. There are innumerable examples in history. Nero banned Christianity, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther, later Popes launched the Inquisitions, Calvin burned Michael Servitus at the stake, Salem had their witch trials, and the 20th century was far, far worse for people of faith. In each case, the political elites believed that they were acting positively to achieve some noble objective such as maintaining social order, preserving the salvation of individual souls, or preserving the Faith and the Church. In the incomparably evil cases of the 20th century, idealists who aspired to create a new socialist man or an ubermensche severely persecuted adherents of particular faiths. The Hitlers and Lenins of the world strongly believed Judaism and Christianity to be subversive of their ideas on social order and ridiculous, superstitious impediments to individual potential. To them the argument against allowing the continued existence of these faiths was just as persuasive as your argument against marijuana.
Psst ... I really don't care if you're a religious-right conservative, either. We probably agree on a lot of the important stuff. BTW, it was the Progressive Party that advocated Prohibition. I am way farther from the progressives than you, my friend.
I don't care what you do as long as I don't pay for it.
Sounds like a better expenditure of disposable income to me...
I don't think it's my (or the government's) place to tell someone which recreational drugs they should use, regardless of their vintage.
Fine with me! Not that it's going to happen, mind you.
Of all the ways I can think of to describe Objectivists, "hippy" and "commune crowd" aren't at the top of the list.
"Political tags such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort."
“John Vought is such a great actor..I will go to see any move he is in..”
Except that one he did the love scene with Jane Fonda. I think it was called “Coming Home.” I bet he wants to puke if he ever thinks about that love scene he did with her.
“don’t care what you do as long as I don’t pay for it.”
You do pay for it, that’s the thing. All this liberal society garbage is a drag on the rest of us. I think we have a duty as good neighbours to act as a check on this trash because we certainly don’t benefit.
Please see my Heinlein quote is post #88. Quite relevant to what you just said!
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