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W.H., Stupak abortion agreement
Politico.com ^ | 03/21/2010 | By DAVID ROGERS & PATRICK O'CONNOR & JONATHAN ALLEN

Posted on 03/21/2010 12:47:18 PM PDT by Rational Thought

The White House and anti-abortion Democrats have reached an agreement to defusethe controversy over abortion in the health reform bill – planning a series of steps that will secure the support of Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and other Democrats to give party leaders the votes they need to pass reform, sources tell POLITICO.

Under the agreement, President Barack Obama would sign an executive order ensuring that no federal funding will go to pay for abortion under the health reform plans. In addition, Stupak will get to state his concerns about abortion funding in the bill during a colloquy on the House floor during the debate.

And then, Stupak and several other Democratic hold-outs over abortion will sign on to the bill, the sources said. The agreement would almost certainly give House Speaker Nancy Pelosi the 216 votes she needs to secure an historic health reform vote by day’s end – capping a year-long drive to achieve Obama’s signature legislative goal.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; bhoabortion; bhoeo; bhohealthcare; congress; healthcare; itsover; libertyordeath; obama; obamacare; prolife; stupak
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If this is true...well...we'll just have to wait and see.
1 posted on 03/21/2010 12:47:18 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

It was inevitable. Stupak is more liberal than he is pro life.


2 posted on 03/21/2010 12:49:21 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Rational Thought

If this is true, than they’ll have the votes for a narrow victory.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 12:49:41 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Rational Thought

“It’s over”

Stupak is slime. I knew he would fold.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 12:49:42 PM PDT by Commander X (TOTUS...destroying the USA one lie at a time.)
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To: Rational Thought

ANYTHING done by Executive Order can be UNdone by Executive Order. This would be stupid for Stupak to buy, and he’s not stupid.

TC


5 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:08 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Rational Thought

Politico has been wrong all week. But still, I have a bad feeling about this one.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:21 PM PDT by phrogphlyer (KILL THE BILL!!)
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To: Commander X

This means we lose.

But the battle has just begun.


7 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:22 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Rational Thought
an historic health reform vote

Could these "Journalists" be any more obsequious? EVERY time they vote the Democrats send out a press release about their "Historic vote" and every time their cheerleaders in the Junk Media mindlessly regurgitate the drivel.

8 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:28 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: Rational Thought

Stupak to speak in 10 minutes.

I doubt he would hold a presser to simply say that he is still against the bill.


9 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:36 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Rational Thought

White House gets out disappearing ink for Executive Order.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 12:50:56 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: Commander X

He’s a rat..they all run home in the end.


11 posted on 03/21/2010 12:51:01 PM PDT by mystery-ak (gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Rational Thought

If abortion funding was not in the bill (like we were told) then why do they need an executive order outlawing it?


12 posted on 03/21/2010 12:51:12 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Rational Thought
I'm not believing anything today, I've never seen such a barrage of disinformation before in my life.

This whole process has done nothing but bitterly divide the country and make a mockery of our system...these traitors must pay!

13 posted on 03/21/2010 12:51:37 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Rational Thought

If this is true, then all the intense pressure has made Stupak stupid. The EO can’t do anything to change the bill.


14 posted on 03/21/2010 12:51:45 PM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if people follow. Otherwise, you just wandered off.)
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To: Rational Thought
It's over.

It's time to reload for the next battle.

15 posted on 03/21/2010 12:51:55 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Rational Thought

The president cannot override congressional legislation with an executive order.
Stupak knows that. He may think he’s pulling one over on the voters, but he’s not fooling God. And that’s the one he needs to worry about answering to.


16 posted on 03/21/2010 12:52:07 PM PDT by counterpunch (The Emperor has no Cloture)
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To: trumandogz
Stupak to speak in 10 minutes.

The message at his office has been changed...now they are "either in a staff meeting or the office is closed".
17 posted on 03/21/2010 12:52:20 PM PDT by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: Rational Thought
This article is from Politico.
Take it cum grano salis
18 posted on 03/21/2010 12:52:57 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Rational Thought

A Rat is a Rat is a Rat is a RAT. Stupak is a RAT.


19 posted on 03/21/2010 12:53:17 PM PDT by JPG (Mr. Gore, we have a warrant for your arrest...put your hands behind your back.)
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To: LostInBayport

There is only one reason why he would speak at 4:00 and that is to announce that he has signed on to ObamaCare.


20 posted on 03/21/2010 12:53:41 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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If true, Stupak is not just a SUCKER, he's STUPID.

21 posted on 03/21/2010 12:54:00 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: LostInBayport
"The message at his office has been changed...now they are "either in a staff meeting or the office is closed".

There you go. That tells you all you need to know. He caved.

22 posted on 03/21/2010 12:54:38 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: icwhatudo
He’s a rat..they all run home in the end.

In the end, they went with the Party. They loved Big Brother.

23 posted on 03/21/2010 12:54:40 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Guillotines.)
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To: savedbygrace
If this is true, then all the intense pressure has made Stupak stupid. The EO can’t do anything to change the bill.

Obama believes his pen carries the might of a god.

24 posted on 03/21/2010 12:55:30 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Rational Thought

This will give them many more than 216 votes. He’s not pro-life but he knows his district is. He’s a career politician like the rest.


25 posted on 03/21/2010 12:55:37 PM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second Sons of Liberty)
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To: counterpunch
I concur.

The way things have gone, I want to hear Stupak explain it.

If true and an Executive Order is to be used, I would think that in itself would be challenged in court and might kill this bill.

Otherwise, we now have the line item veto (more making up the rules as we go).

26 posted on 03/21/2010 12:56:18 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

they fooled him last November and they’ll do it again. they will not vote on this if it’s going to fail.


27 posted on 03/21/2010 12:56:25 PM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: circlecity

If true, Stupid Stupak just agreed to his re-election failure. Michigan is already in a depression.


28 posted on 03/21/2010 12:56:28 PM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer (Don't tread on us...or you'll pay the price in the next election.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I now include Fox “News” in the slimedia.


29 posted on 03/21/2010 12:56:44 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: counterpunch

This “president” can do anything he wants to do. And the “Stupaks” in congress have been threatened with something much more frightening that a lost election.


30 posted on 03/21/2010 12:57:58 PM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second Sons of Liberty)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck

I hope his priest refuses him communion.


31 posted on 03/21/2010 12:58:02 PM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Brandonmark

Bait and switch...anything Obama promises Stupak now can be undone later when it is too late.


32 posted on 03/21/2010 12:58:15 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Rational Thought

In the end a snake is just a snake.


33 posted on 03/21/2010 1:00:24 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: Verginius Rufus
Step 1. Soap Box (this failed)

Step 2: Ballot box (2010)

Step 3. Ammo box (if #2 fails)


34 posted on 03/21/2010 1:00:28 PM PDT by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: Rational Thought

An executive order won’t kill the bill. It is totally separate from the legislation. The legislation stands on it’s own with or without an executive order or reconcilliation in the senate.


35 posted on 03/21/2010 1:01:17 PM PDT by counterpunch (The Emperor has no Cloture)
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To: Rational Thought

Stupak—a typical leftist. The PRO LIFE stuff comes WAAAAAAY down the line in order of importance. Wait till he finds out he sacrificed his house seat by being SCAMMED by Hussein!!!


36 posted on 03/21/2010 1:02:07 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Rational Thought
I wrote here after seeing Stupak on Greta that he reminded me of a pouffy-coiffed snake oil salesman who would flip....and he did.

Gentlemen, start your abortions!

Leni

37 posted on 03/21/2010 1:02:11 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: counterpunch

That is first semester law school stuff. You are right. An EO can’t overrule explicitly passed legislation. This fig leaf is more like a g string. If yhis report is true then stupak should have this legislation hung around his neck (after he is tarred and feathered)!


38 posted on 03/21/2010 1:02:36 PM PDT by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Larry Sabato said yesterday it would pass the House. Larry is almost always right. Billy Cunningham said on his radio show last Sunday they would somehow manage to find the votes and it would pass. I feared he was right and he is.


39 posted on 03/21/2010 1:03:29 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Rational Thought

Yes but the femino nazis may NOW refuse to sign. I HOPE!!!!


40 posted on 03/21/2010 1:08:36 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: counterpunch

I don’t think a guarantee from the POTUS that he will issue an executive order to veto the part of the bill he doesn’t like (particularly in exchange for votes from Congress) is constitutional. Unless this is the cover Stupak wants and no such order will be issued. Just my opinion, but I will listen to those who are smarter than me on this.


41 posted on 03/21/2010 1:08:43 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: pyx

Does he realize how huge a villain he will become? He’s going to be right up there with Judas Iscariot.


42 posted on 03/21/2010 1:10:58 PM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: Rational Thought

The Hill reports stupak and gang have caved

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2476224/posts


43 posted on 03/21/2010 1:12:24 PM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Rational Thought

Sell out is Stupak if he thinks that the executive order will not be changed after they get a vote he is in dreamland.
SELL OUTS ALL OF THEM


44 posted on 03/21/2010 1:14:22 PM PDT by proudCArepublican
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To: Rational Thought
In addition, Stupak will get to state his concerns about abortion funding in the bill during a colloquy on the House floor during the debate.

What a pathetic little man. Wait until he sees the EO after the bill

45 posted on 03/21/2010 1:15:02 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Rational Thought

Essentially Obama is doing a line item Veto with an executive order,it could not be legal and I don’t think given his view on abortion he will follow through on his promise.

What will probably happen is some left wing group of Abortion group with challenge the Executive order and Obama will have to tear it up, while winking like railroad crossing light....


46 posted on 03/21/2010 1:15:12 PM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Rational Thought; All

Now only the states can uphold the Constitution, Gentlemen, file your lawsuits!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2475024/posts


47 posted on 03/21/2010 1:19:59 PM PDT by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: Dionysius
Stupak is counting on Americans having short memories. He is convinced that either he will be re-elected in November or that he or a family member will receive a cushy government appointments as payment for his deception.

All democRATs are convinced that their support for this government takeover will be repaid with either re-election or to appointments for themselves and/or family members to cushy very high-paying government positions. They reason that elections scheduled for November 2, 2010 is seven long, long, long months away and that Americans will either forgive or forget about them or their family members.


48 posted on 03/21/2010 1:24:05 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: JPG
"A Rat is a Rat is a Rat is a RAT. Stupak is a RAT."

I never trusted him in the first place. Once a whore always a whore.

49 posted on 03/21/2010 1:25:55 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Rational Thought
Well, the Democrats now own HCR 100%. The American people voted the Democrats into power. Voting has consequences.
50 posted on 03/21/2010 1:29:18 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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