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Santorum: Healthcare Reconciliation DOA in Senate
Newsmax ^ | 3/21/10 | David A. Patten

Posted on 03/21/2010 6:39:30 PM PDT by NoobRep

Former GOP Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania said Sunday that the House reconciliation bill designed to fix shortcomings in the Senate’s healthcare reform legislation cannot legally be considered by the Senate, because it would impact Social Security revenues and therefore is not eligible for the reconciliation procedure.

Santorum also says Democratic leaders were well aware of this fact, but effectively “sandbagged” their members in the House in order to push healthcare reform through Congress.

Reconciliation is designed to pass healthcare reform without bringing it back before the Senate for approval. Sen. Scott Brown’s election in Massachusetts means Democrats no longer have the 60-vote majority they need to overcome a GOP filibuster, but they are believed to have the simple majority – 51 votes – needed to pass changes in the Senate via reconciliation.

To get the 216 votes they needed in the House, Democrats promised that aspects of the Senate bill representatives found unpalatable, including the Cornhusker Kickback and other notorious deals, would be “fixed” in the Senate via reconciliation. But Santorum says the House fixes aren’t eligible for the reconciliation procedure.

“Here’s the problem,” Santorum told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren on Sunday evening, “according to the 1974 budget act, if the provisions in the bill affect Social Security revenues, it’s invalid for reconciliation.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; doa; reconciliation; reid; senate
They need to keep pushing this angle.
1 posted on 03/21/2010 6:39:30 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: NoobRep

This and the recomit in the House will put the dimoKKKRATS in a bind come election time. They are stuck with the flaws in the Senate bill.


2 posted on 03/21/2010 6:41:48 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: NoobRep

It was all about plausible denability for the Donkeys.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 6:43:01 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: NoobRep
Very nice. I hope that pans out. If it does, I think we will suddenly see a rush of very stupid, very panicked democrats in the House trying to undo the Senate bill. Too late, though, we'll let them join in, and say sweet nothings to them, just to get them to go along, and then go ahead with the political bloodletting in November nonetheless.

Forget "Sunday, bloody Sunday" it's gonna be "Tuesday, bloody Tuesday."


4 posted on 03/21/2010 6:43:38 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: NoobRep

So what? All this means is that Obama signs the bill already passed by the Senate, and the reconciliation stuff goes down the tube. Which is what the leadership wants anyway. All the tools who put their “fixes” into the RB can have a fake conniption and tell their constituents “I tried.”


5 posted on 03/21/2010 6:43:50 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Parley Baer

Who cares? We about to get hit with a gigantic bag of you know what and we can throw most of them out in November and probably still won’t be able to reverse course.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 6:44:01 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: NoobRep

Even if the reconciliation bill doesn’t pass, the Senate bill will become law when the Dems pass it, and we’ll have socialized medicine.


7 posted on 03/21/2010 6:44:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: NoobRep

But what does this mean? That the Obamacare Senate bill passed by the House is not eligible to become law because the recconciliation bill is DOA, or that it becomes law and the Deems were “sandbagged” (which, BTW, is not likely - they were probably all in on it)?


8 posted on 03/21/2010 6:45:29 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Donate to keep ads running against Obamacare & Rat congresscritters http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/)
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To: NoobRep
“Here’s the problem,” Santorum told Fox News host Greta Van Susteren on Sunday evening, “according to the 1974 budget act, if the provisions in the bill affect Social Security revenues, it’s invalid for reconciliation.”

And this is a law, not just a "rule."

9 posted on 03/21/2010 6:46:22 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: Oceander

Many of us already knew the Senate would ignore the House bill this gives them the excuse. As soon as the House passes the Senate bill it’s over and Obama signs it into law.


11 posted on 03/21/2010 6:47:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: NoobRep

The House doesn’t care... they will just say, we voted for it in good faith, we can’t control what the Senate does.


12 posted on 03/21/2010 6:47:18 PM PDT by Reagan69 (The only thing SHOVEL-READY since BO's stimulus has been MICHAEL JACKSON (tammy bruce))
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To: Brilliant

Which was their end game all along. Reconciliation was a ruse, and even though it’s been exposed prior to the vote, they are gonna jam this thing through anyway.


13 posted on 03/21/2010 6:47:36 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Deem Me PISSED!!!!!!!!!)
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To: fightinJAG

Me too, what does it mean?


14 posted on 03/21/2010 6:47:40 PM PDT by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch ( T.G., global warming denier.)
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To: CSI007

I have plenty of “tools” that say differently.


15 posted on 03/21/2010 6:48:21 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: Oceander
If it does, I think we will suddenly see a rush of very stupid, very panicked democrats in the House trying to undo the Senate bill.

I hope so, but I doubt it. I think they were all in on this and they know very well their "fixes" are cynical sham CYA moves designed to give them some political cover in Nov. It won't work as political cover in Nov, but it sure got them through the day today, didn't it?

16 posted on 03/21/2010 6:48:27 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Donate to keep ads running against Obamacare & Rat congresscritters http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/)
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To: Steely Tom
So what? All this means is that Obama signs the bill already passed by the Senate, and the reconciliation stuff goes down the tube. Which is what the leadership wants anyway. All the tools who put their “fixes” into the RB can have a fake conniption and tell their constituents “I tried.”

Yep. This is EXACTLY what Pelosi had up her sleeve. But I don't buy that the rank-n-file Rats weren't in on this. Just like the Gals are keeping quiet because they know Obambi's abortion EO is toilet paper.

17 posted on 03/21/2010 6:49:57 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Donate to keep ads running against Obamacare & Rat congresscritters http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/)
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To: NoobRep

Doesn’t matter....The democrat lemmings are committed to run over the cliff..and they intend to follow thru. This bill will NEVER see the Senate...I’ll bet seconds after is this thing is passed then it will be on it’s way to the White House. Barry and Nancy will probably be on the front page of most newspapers....SICKENING!! I personally would like to thank those Republicans that stayed home and those that decided to teach elected Republicans a lesson. By allowing the Dems to takeover Congress in 2006 and 2008 we will now have National Health Care.... We aren’t far off from Chavez....The President has taken over major industries and has nationalized health care.....I’m not so sure barry will leave even if voted out in 2012


18 posted on 03/21/2010 6:50:10 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch

I didn’t want to believe what it means, but . . . well, keep reading the thread. :(


19 posted on 03/21/2010 6:51:01 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Donate to keep ads running against Obamacare & Rat congresscritters http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/)
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To: NoobRep

And the House Dems were stupid enough to believe their Leadership.


20 posted on 03/21/2010 6:51:03 PM PDT by no dems (Palin / Rubio 2012)
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To: TCH
Join the club! You know, the British have an interesting little holiday, Guy Fawkes Night, at which they burn an effigy of Guy Fawkes, who led a failed attempt to blow up the Houses of Parliament in order to kill the King and members of parliament - that is, to effectively destroy the country.

Seems to me we should be reviving that tradition, and burning the Bee-itch Pelosi in effigy.


21 posted on 03/21/2010 6:51:05 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: no dems

No way! The House Deems were in on this all the way. They can go around crying “I tried so hard,” all the while this was the gameplan for weeks.

Did you see the Stupak video? He said a week ago he was going to vote for Obamacare.


22 posted on 03/21/2010 6:52:46 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Donate to keep ads running against Obamacare & Rat congresscritters http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/)
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To: NoobRep

Is he really that stupid to believe that there is any way to stop this? No wonder he lost his reelection campaign. What a bambi. Give me a break, we’re in the early stages of a dictatorship. BO and the rest of them couldn’t care less about votes, etc.


23 posted on 03/21/2010 6:53:42 PM PDT by Gapplega
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To: Mygirlsmom

They will pass some sort of reconciliation bill. Probably one that eliminates the Cornhusker Kickback and the Louisiana Purchase, at a minimum. Even the Dems don’t like those parts (except two of them). If they don’t pass some sort of reconciliation bill, then the Dems will have to go into the election wearing stinky underpants. They won’t let that happen. And they may even get some Republicans to vote for reconciliation, once the socialized medicine part passes in the Senate Bill.


24 posted on 03/21/2010 6:53:59 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
**Even if the reconciliation bill doesn’t pass, the Senate bill will become law when the Dems pass it, and we’ll have socialized medicine.**

Come on Y'all! We still have a lot of court action! We still have the 10th Amendment. AND we still have LOTS of ammo!

Donks can't shoot for sh*t!

Keep the faith!!!

25 posted on 03/21/2010 6:55:31 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: NoobRep
Former GOP Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania said Sunday that the House reconciliation bill designed to fix shortcomings in the Senate’s healthcare reform legislation cannot legally be considered by the Senate...

Don't give them this "fix shortcomings" language. That makes it sound desirable, like it will moderate the worst parts of the bill. This bill is to appease the commies that didnt think that bad Senate bill went far enough!

26 posted on 03/21/2010 6:59:32 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Steely Tom

But with a little luck, Stupy Stupak and band of faux Pro-lifers might feel like they were sold a bill of goods and go for the motion to recommit. . . would be sweet but I am not holding my breath.


27 posted on 03/21/2010 7:02:05 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: RatRipper

Thank you Hannity for the stop Hitlery express.


28 posted on 03/21/2010 7:07:01 PM PDT by TStro
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To: NoobRep

reCONciliaton


29 posted on 03/21/2010 7:10:43 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: NoobRep

The Republicans would be wise to stay away from any related bill, offering any kind of “fix.” Even if one Repub votes for cloture to allow Dems to “reconcile” the HC bill, Obama and the Democratic Party will call the healthcare bill “bi-partisan.”


30 posted on 03/21/2010 7:17:53 PM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: jakerobins

Knock it off on blaming the Republicans who stayed home. (Actually, they didn’t. They just weren’t motivated to help McCain and his ilk who sold out on the promises of the Reagan and Gingrich revolutions.)

The present troubles are the fault of the Republican elites who continued to give us fellow elitists as candidates like McCain and Graham.

Our choices were democrat and democrat lite. The next battle is amnesty, and who is the one leading that sellout - Lindsey Graham.

Stop blaming real conservatives for the hell that liberals and liberal approval seekers like McCain and Graham caused.


31 posted on 03/21/2010 7:23:53 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill

I will blame them....Because they were on fire saying they were going to teach them a BIG lesson....You didn’t have to like McCain.....I certainly don’t. But life is full of tough choices...and in the choice between a full on Marxist and a mislead Republican..even a RINO like McLame....You Don’t ever let the Marxist anywhere NEAR The WHITE HOUSE!


32 posted on 03/21/2010 7:27:32 PM PDT by jakerobins
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To: Oceander

Guy Fawkes did NOT lead a raid on Parliament or anything else, so recent historians claim. But the Brits aren’t buying the truth.


33 posted on 03/21/2010 8:03:04 PM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: jakerobins

agreed. It was the choice between the two lesser evils.

In a perfect world, we would have had a solid conservative to take on Obama, but we didn’t. Still not worth throwing a vote away on a third party or not voting at all.


34 posted on 03/22/2010 1:28:59 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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