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Pope Benedict accused of ignoring abuse allegations against Hullerman
Times Online ^ | March 21st 2010 | John Follain and Bojan Pancevski

Posted on 03/21/2010 7:14:31 PM PDT by Cardhu

NOT long after a portly, jovial priest in the German industrial city of Essen was accused of sexually abusing three boys in 1979, he was offered a new home in Munich by Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI.

Ratzinger, who was Archbishop of Munich and Freising at the time, wanted Father Peter Hullermann — known to friends in the church as “Hulli” — to undergo psychotherapy.

A psychiatrist quickly concluded that Hullermann was untreatable, however.

“I told the church officials that Hullermann must never be allowed to work with children again,” said Werner Huth, the psychiatrist, in an interview with The Sunday Times this weekend.

“He did not seem to want or be able to co-operate fully during the therapy. He had an alcohol problem and the assaults on the children mostly happened when he had been under the influence of alcohol.”

Huth’s warning was ignored. The priest was allowed to return to pastoral work and then to teach religion in a local state school.

Soon, he was in trouble again. He drank, showed pornographic videos to boys and abused them. He was convicted of the sexual abuse of minors and fined.

Even that was not the end of his time in the church. After a period of probation he continued working — with altar boys, among others.

He was still working as a priest right up until last Monday when, at the age of 62, he was suspended from his duties at a Bavarian tourist resort for breaching a church order in 2008 to avoid any involvement with children.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
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In Austria, a poll last week indicated that almost one million Catholics were considering leaving the church because of its handling of the allegations.
1 posted on 03/21/2010 7:14:31 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

They have already left and been gone for some time.


2 posted on 03/21/2010 7:16:52 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Cardhu

These sick evil homosexual child molesting monsters deserve the death penalty...not forgiveness.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 7:19:57 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Cardhu; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; xzins; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; Quix; ...
In Austria, a poll last week indicated that almost one million Catholics were considering leaving the church because of its handling of the allegations.

That's very encouraging news.

After darkness, light.

4 posted on 03/21/2010 7:21:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
LOL. Trust me, they aren't going to become fundamentalist Presbyterians.

I suppose it's objectively better to be a secular humanist hedonist ex-Catholic, than to be a secular humanist hedonist who claims to be a Catholic. It avoids adding hypocrisy to the charges against one.

5 posted on 03/21/2010 7:24:01 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

These are the same cafeteria Catholics who make the same old complaints about any Church issue (priestly celibacy, wymen’s ordination, contraception, etc...) so that they can justify doing doing what they want like taking the pill, procuring abortions, not Sunday Mass attendance, etc... They haven’t been in communion with the Church for some time so there’s not much to see here.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 7:28:51 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Campion

But your church will still count them as members.


7 posted on 03/21/2010 7:38:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Campion
Trust me, they aren't going to become fundamentalist Presbyterians.

I agree the Europeans have discarded the religious cults by the millions in the last decades. I have lived in "Catholic Spain" for fifteen years and I do know a single person who goes to church.

Births, marriages and deaths with 50 cents or nothing in the collection plate. I was shocked at a wedding how many refused to put even a single cent in the plate about 95%

Religion has died in Spain, since the death of Franco they are paying the price of abandoning the people.

8 posted on 03/21/2010 7:42:56 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why don't we all count them as members? Then we can all be happy. They can be Mormopresbycatholicfundabaptipenticostaladventists.

I'm sorry, I really don't have the stomach for this tonight. The death of my country has a prior claim on my attention.

9 posted on 03/21/2010 7:43:48 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: frogjerk

You picked the wrong way to spell your freep name. It should start with the “jerk” part.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 7:44:04 PM PDT by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: Cardhu

Franco may be the excuse in Spain. Given that the same thing is happening from Quebec, to Norway, to Latin America, I think loose sex and a Darwinistic outlook has more to do with it.


11 posted on 03/21/2010 7:45:38 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: BlueDragon

how original


12 posted on 03/21/2010 7:47:29 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Cardhu
Pope John Paul II refused and Pope Benedict XVI refuses to admit that the true scandal is not that there were some individual sinful priests -- the true scandal is that there was the collaborative coverup and the reassignment of those priests by the bishops!
13 posted on 03/21/2010 7:49:49 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: Campion
No. when a person leaves the Presbyterian church the membership roles reflect that change. Unlike in the RCC where ex-RCs are still counted as members like my husband who left the RCC for the Presbyterian church 25 years ago and is still considered a member of the RCC.

I share your malaise. This is terribly depressing. God willing, they'll all be voted out of office in November. They are all liars and thieves.

14 posted on 03/21/2010 7:51:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Campion
Franco may be the excuse in Spain. Given that the same thing is happening from Quebec, to Norway, to Latin America, I think loose sex and a Darwinistic outlook has more to do with it.

No the reason is the casting off of infantilism - with better education and a knowledge of history.

15 posted on 03/21/2010 7:53:55 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Dajjal

I understand your logic, but the crime itself is worse than the cover-up. The foul cover-up is illegal. The despicable crime is immoral.


16 posted on 03/21/2010 7:54:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dajjal

Exactly and Ratzinger is apologizing for his bishops and Cardinals who were only carrying out his instructions. I have never know anyone who has blamed others for his own sins as Ratzinger, he is beyond contempt.

His second in command in Munich, fell upon his sword to protect him - there is not a bishop that does not know what is going on with his priests and were they are.


17 posted on 03/21/2010 8:00:35 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
No the reason is the casting off of infantilism

LOL. Right. It didn't work for Lenin and the USSR and it won't work for you, either.

And the atheist apologetic (of, e.g., Dawkins) is pretty much the epitome of infantilism.

18 posted on 03/21/2010 8:02:35 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
God willing, they'll all be voted out of office in November. They are all liars and thieves.

It may be too late. The time for mercy and forbearance may be over; justice has arrived. We're reliving Jeremiah chapter 52.

19 posted on 03/21/2010 8:05:17 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Cardhu

You are beyond contempt.


20 posted on 03/21/2010 8:06:09 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Hmmmmmmmm

Thx Thx.


21 posted on 03/21/2010 8:15:25 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Cardhu

This is a Times article. Not believable.


22 posted on 03/21/2010 8:16:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: icwhatudo; Cardhu

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a Father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church


23 posted on 03/21/2010 8:17:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion

Believing in talking snakes, virgin births, lakes of fire, and invisible friends, is the wave of future.

Fortunately, the true believers who will be favored in end times will all be found in the Southern States.


24 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:44 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

Ratzinger looks so evil. He has hollow eyes.


25 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:59 PM PDT by Tramonto (Live Free or Die)
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To: Tramonto

:)


26 posted on 03/21/2010 8:24:06 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>God willing, they’ll all be voted out of office in November.<<

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It is not good enough that God wills this to happen — the voters have to go to the polls and make their voices heard.


27 posted on 03/21/2010 8:26:01 PM PDT by 353FMG (What can Islam possibly contribute to the West other than its destruction?)
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To: frogjerk
it was all your comments were due.

Millions said to be leaving (if that is even true, which seems dubious) but they were all just hedonistic cafeteria catholics in the first place. so it doesn't matter?

The entire [alleged] million???

Attitudes such as you express sicken me.

30 posted on 03/21/2010 8:58:26 PM PDT by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: BlueDragon

All the Christian religions needs to merge as one, with a simplified message and a common belief. Otherwise, we face extinction.


32 posted on 03/21/2010 9:08:27 PM PDT by kiltie65
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You may be on to something there. On the other hand, it's harder to exterminate multiples of groups or organizations.

I'm trying to look on the bright side, as to the seemingly various different forms the simple, widely held, common beliefs appear to outsiders, to take.

Otherwise, your plan is better.

33 posted on 03/21/2010 9:23:28 PM PDT by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Makes those membership numbers questionable doesn't it?
Plus:

“Once a Catholic always a Catholic

Written by Fr. Randall Weber
Thursday, 25 June 2009 13:32

“Once a Catholic always a Catholic” is a common saying among Catholics. Is it true that once a person is baptized into the Catholic Church or received into it, he or she is always a Catholic? Speaking from a strictly canonical point of view, the answer is yes. As far as the Catholic Church is concerned, anyone who has ever been a legitimate member of the Catholic Church can never truly leave. Oh, he or she can become a non-practicing Catholic, a “bad” Catholic, or even an excommunicated Catholic, but never a non-Catholic or an ex-Catholic.” (a partial quote)

You can get in but you can't leave?

34 posted on 03/21/2010 9:38:54 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Salvation

I think there is a problem with the nation’s male populace as a whole in the growth of this pedophilia issue and you are seeing this manifested in the religious ranks as well. So I’m thinking it’s an unintended misdirection to think just one group of religious folk have this issue as opposed to another group that doesn’t have the problem ..”as much” as the “other guys”.

Baptists are very quick to out such ministers as soon as they are exposed.Each Church operates independently and there is no hierarchy to cover it up and send such exposed to “other parishes” or “cover ministries”.

Other Protestant denominations may operate more or less in the same fashion, hence the inflated numbers of such exposed and convicted pastors and priests in those ranks as opposed to Catholics.

There aren’t as many U.S. Catholic Priests as there are U.S. pastors and priests of other churches and Catholic churches have larger numbers attending fewer churches. U.S. Protestant churches are many in number but have less average enrolled “members”, hence there are many more U.S. protestant pastors and priests. Thus there will be larger numbers of these Protestant clergy who might be caught up in these sorts of sins as there are larger numbers of them to begin with as compared to Catholic priests and Bishops.

So the real question becomes percentages, are Catholic clergy members involved with these types of sins in larger or smaller percentages of their numbers as compared with clergy of all other faiths. (I won’t include Muslims here as that religion is freaky as to what they consider sexual sin.) I’m going to wager that the percentages will be about the same as their more numerous Protestant counter parts!

The other difference of course being that Baptists and other “FUNDIE” type churches tend to quickly find and expose such sin when discoverd and even have their disgraced clergy brought up on charges at far higher levels than their Catholic or Mainline Liberal protestant counterparts!

The Bible in Romans explains the principle causes of why such sin gets started in persons in the first place. So the real question is why has such general rebellion against God occured in the hearts of many men(no matter what religious station or walk of life) that they should have so twisted the things of heaven that they were then given over to a reprobate mind?


35 posted on 03/21/2010 9:40:12 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Looks like Stupak was bought for 30 pieces of silver.

Maybe it’s time to move to a nice mountain retreat in Austria.


36 posted on 03/21/2010 9:42:28 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Salvation
The Roman Catholic church can point fingers all they want, but it is a fact the RCC has paid out over $3 billion in awards and settlements in the U.S.

And those are just for the few cases that went to trial. It doesn't include all the thousands of cases that were kept secret under threat of excommunication for the victim.

39 posted on 03/21/2010 10:54:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: the_conscience

I wonder how many of the “anti-abortion” democrats were RC.


40 posted on 03/21/2010 11:03:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: count-your-change

Eye-opening. RCC bookkeepping resembles that of the democrats.


41 posted on 03/21/2010 11:05:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“I wonder how many of the “anti-abortion” democrats were RC.”

Marcy Kaptur-Romanist
Steve Driehaus- Romanist
Kathy Dahlkemper- Romanist
Chris Carney- Romanist


42 posted on 03/21/2010 11:26:04 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
After darkness, light.

For the elect, yes. What Rome used for evil....

43 posted on 03/22/2010 12:01:01 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The Roman Catholic church can point fingers all they want, but it is a fact the RCC has paid out over $3 billion in awards and settlements in the U.S.

And those are just for the few cases that went to trial. It doesn't include all the thousands of cases that were kept secret under threat of excommunication for the victim.

"Settlements" that "went to trial?"

And I suppose these "thousands" of cases that were "kept secret," you can document those, correct?

44 posted on 03/22/2010 12:06:34 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Can’t say anything about the statistics, but this is not a nonsense concept. A case goes to trial and before a verdict the defendant settles with the plaintiff.


45 posted on 03/22/2010 12:14:13 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Can’t say anything about the statistics, but this is not a nonsense concept. A case goes to trial and before a verdict the defendant settles with the plaintiff.

No kidding?

I was merely commenting on her remarkably imprecise language. It seems to be a shortcoming for her, if unintentional.

But of course I don't believe it's unintentional.

46 posted on 03/22/2010 12:36:04 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I wonder how many of the “anti-abortion” democrats were RC.

Why?

47 posted on 03/22/2010 12:36:42 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It does make those “billions” of members figures look different.


48 posted on 03/22/2010 1:07:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
the membership roles(sic)

Please post that membership roll.

I'll bet you got your doctorate out of the back of Popular Mechanics.

49 posted on 03/22/2010 5:22:56 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Campion

State run churches are also dry and void of real belief.


50 posted on 03/22/2010 5:55:58 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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