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Bill O'Reilly: What’s health care without doctors?
The Boston Herald ^ | March 21, 2010 | Bill O'Reilly

Posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If Obamacare becomes law, about 30 percent of the primary-care doctors in America will consider leaving the medical profession.

That bit of brightness comes from a survey by The Medicus Firm, the results of which were posted by The New England Journal of Medicine. Medicus interviewed more than a thousand American physicians, and 55 percent of them believe the quality of medical care in America will decline if the Democrats pass the current health-care reform proposals. Apparently, many of them want no part of it.

Although the media largely ignored the Medicus study, the story is huge. Perhaps as many as 30 million more Americans may have access to health insurance. The question is: Who will treat them?

The Bureau of Labor Statistics projects a 22 percent increase in practicing physicians over the next decade. But that will not be enough to treat the universal health-care crush, especially if a bunch of doctors now on the job pack it in.

There are essentially two reasons why Obamacare nauseates some doctors. First, control. Medical people simply do not want federal pinheads telling them how to treat their patients. The medical profession attracts intelligent, assertive people who are motivated to help others. This is not a docile crowd.

Second, money. Right now, many doctors are already seeing too many patients in order to pay the bills and provide a decent living for their families. Obamacare does nothing to bring down the outrageous expense of medical malpractice insurance, and it is likely to cut Medicaid and Medicare reimbursements.

Doctors can do the math. Their expenses remain high; their incomes decline. Again, these are smart people who could make good money doing something else.

In Canada and Great Britain, where socialized medicine is practiced, it is difficult to actually see a doctor in some places. Instead, nurses, physician assistants and other medical personnel fill the need. That is what could happen in the United States if the feds begin calling the health-care shots.

Not since the Iraq war has America been so divided on an issue. Yes, ideology is playing a part. Conservatives despise government intrusion in the marketplace, but liberals love it. Right now, however, most polls show that the majority has turned on Obamacare. The latest Wall Street Journal poll, for example, found 48 percent opposing and just 36 percent supporting.

Here’s my question: What would Marcus Welby, M.D., and Dr. Kildare say? These guys usually had the answers, back when wise doctors were the subjects of TV programs and health care seemed to be a glamorous profession.

Would Ben Casey support Obamacare? We know the “M*A*S*H” guys would. Dr. Jekyll might like it, but Mr. Hyde? I don’t know.

What I do know is that many Americans are sick of the whole health-care thing. And no prescription on earth will change that.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; death; demisery; democratslovedeath; healthcare; medicine; obama; obamacare; oreilly
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1 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank you for posting, 2ndDivisionVet.


2 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:58 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Anyone want to estimate how many show up at the ER this week for their “free” healthcare?

Seriously, I fully expect most of the left to believe that’s what this vote is/was.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 8:21:49 PM PDT by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Starve the Monkeys. Find your own private internal Galt’s Gulch. Stop being a host for the parasites.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 8:22:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
BOR is an idiot, of the same strip as Stupak and Friends!
He has been paving the way for this CommieCrate power play for the last two years. He stand for no principle that might cost him money, power or popularity IMHO
5 posted on 03/21/2010 8:23:06 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You guys missed the memo on this.

40,000 Doctors from India are being brought in. Special handouts in the legislation for minority teaching med schools.

Doctors will be similar to Russia — paid about $40-60,000 and if you want real care you’ll (a) pay cash or (b) fly to nearby islands and nations that’ll set up top shelf medical care for Americans with $$$.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 8:24:03 PM PDT by TigerBait
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To: RangerM

I’ve thought the same thing. How many people will go into work tomorrow and tell human resources to cancel their insurance “Because now I got’s obamacare!”


7 posted on 03/21/2010 8:24:19 PM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second SONS OF LIBERTY but there won't be one.)
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To: TigerBait

Everyone will be getting V.A. type care.


8 posted on 03/21/2010 8:24:59 PM PDT by Terry Mross (We need a second SONS OF LIBERTY but there won't be one.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see a new bureaucracy: racial quotas for free ride scholarships for med schools!

New scholarships for inner city kids that just can’t get over the racism that keeps them out of college will now get ObamaGrants to go to med school.

And Doctor Bussing! Bussing existing doctors from wherever they are to where they need to go to reach “equity”, as defined by Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee!


9 posted on 03/21/2010 8:25:08 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Fits in with the RATs plan to eliminate the elderly, disabled, incurable, and the list goes on. Sound familiar with another dictatorship in history?


10 posted on 03/21/2010 8:26:07 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The best thing any doctor can do for the country is QUIT.

I urge ALL people working in health care to QUIT. You can come back after Obamacare collapses.

Urge YOUR doctor and all other medical personnel to QUIT.


11 posted on 03/21/2010 8:27:21 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: MichiganConservative

Not to mention that med schools will now admit students who made a “D-” in both semesters of Organic Chemistry!

Sigh.


12 posted on 03/21/2010 8:29:05 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I fear that as doctors leave that there will be an executive order from King Obama to nationalize doctors by order and they will practice medicine or face jail. Similar that if you do not buy insurance you are now subject to jail and fines. These fines I can guarantee will be your entire life savings. It will have to come to that. Remember, we are a Communist nation now. Don't doubt that now.
13 posted on 03/21/2010 8:29:10 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: MichiganConservative
I see a new bureaucracy: racial quotas for free ride scholarships for med schools!

It was in the bill.

Page 941

HEALTH PROFESSIONS TRAINING FOR DIVERSITY

$90,000,000 for fiscal year 2010.
$97,000,000 for fiscal year 2011.
$100,000,000 for fiscal year 2012
. . and so on, ending with $140,000,000 for fiscal year 2019.

14 posted on 03/21/2010 8:29:18 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obamacare specifically says that if the federal bureaucrats tell a doctor to do something, and he does it, and it’s a disaster, the federal government is off the hook and the DOCTOR is liable.


15 posted on 03/21/2010 8:29:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
okkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy.....WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE WE DO ABOUT...OH...I DONT KNOW...MY MORTGAGE????????????
16 posted on 03/21/2010 8:31:20 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is in control!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BOR is such a moron.

Dr. Jekyll was good; Mr. Hyde was evil.

Reminds me of the Countess in “The Women”: “Oh, the Jekyll and Hyde!!!—Which was which?”


17 posted on 03/21/2010 8:31:41 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Brugmansian

Hey, what’s the matter? Don’t you want your prostate examined by some inner city illiterate?


18 posted on 03/21/2010 8:31:48 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama will just invite more third world doctors to screw the system even more


19 posted on 03/21/2010 8:32:16 PM PDT by hecht
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To: RangerM

RE: “Anyone want to estimate how many show up at the ER this week for their “free” healthcare?

Seriously, I fully expect most of the left to believe that’s what this vote is/was.”

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The welfare monkeys have ALREADY been getting free healthcare at the ER — what’s left of the ERs, that is. I predict things will get worse for them, not better.


20 posted on 03/21/2010 8:32:59 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: Brugmansian

ARE YOU REALLY NOT WAKING UP EVERYONE......AMERICANS ARE DONE..........WE NOW LIVE IN DIVERCITY....

WHERE BLACK IS IN AND WHITE IS OUT

BACK DOOR REPERATIONS.....HOW’S THAT WHITEMANS BURDEN WORKING? WE HAVE BEEN DUPED......AMERICA...IS PAYING THE MAN....AND OH YA HE IS REALLY BLACK!


21 posted on 03/21/2010 8:33:23 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is in control!)
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To: Texas4ever

Well, you could just walk away.

Maybe bringing the whole thing down as soon as possible is what is needed.


22 posted on 03/21/2010 8:33:40 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: Brugmansian

Just what you want....a BRAIN SURGEON who got thru medical school because of his/her color....


23 posted on 03/21/2010 8:33:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My life. My fortune. My sacred honor. My family will not grow up in a communist country.)
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To: Texas4ever

Hey, I predict that, at least, race relations are going to get SOOOOO much better.


24 posted on 03/21/2010 8:34:36 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah right. Abandon practice to become hamburger flippers at McDonald’s. I don’t see this happening. What I DO see happening is.. In the short term, more medical students to become doctors, then.. After word spreads about how the Gov’t F’ed up health care, FEWER students wanting to become doctors.. then it’s HEALTH CARE RATIONING time.


25 posted on 03/21/2010 8:35:10 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: TigerBait
If we poach too many physicians from other countries- you can bet that those countries will do whatever it takes to staunch the flow.
I see a lot of Middle East physicians at work. If we start to steal them- they will pass laws to prevent them leaving their countries.
26 posted on 03/21/2010 8:35:43 PM PDT by kaila
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To: TigerBait

RE: “Doctors will be similar to Russia — paid about $40-60,000 and if you want real care you’ll (a) pay cash or (b) fly to nearby islands and nations that’ll set up top shelf medical care for Americans with $$$.”

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Are you saying docs are paid $40-60K now? Or in the past?

I was in the old USSR in 1977 and the big deal then was their claim that doctors earned the same amount as taxi drivers. Not much of an incentive to do well and go to med school, was there?


27 posted on 03/21/2010 8:35:47 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: MichiganConservative

RIGHT.....GET READY TO BEG FOR YOUR NEXT JOB AND SIT AT THE BACK OF THE BUS


28 posted on 03/21/2010 8:36:35 PM PDT by Texas4ever (God is in control!)
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To: CaliforniaCon

That’s the point. How many MORE and MORE OFTEN will they show up?

You’re right it’s going to get worse; especially in the large cities. You can’t add that much demand without an equal amount of supply and expect things to get better or cheaper.


29 posted on 03/21/2010 8:37:05 PM PDT by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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To: Travis McGee

Possible Galt’s Gulch:

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


30 posted on 03/21/2010 8:38:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have friends who are docs, husband and wife. They are both very successful primary care docs. They will both be going on to other careers and will not be working for the government.
Doctors have very good educations and their knowledge can be applied in many other career fields.
The biggest exodus will be primary care docs leaving the inner cities and low income areas. These are the areas where it is hardest to find primary care docs. So where they need them the most is where they are going to loose the most.
The inner city population is going to be hard put just to find a doc that will take the government insurance and they aren't going to like it. They are going to whine and scream when they figure out just how bad the new obamba care is going to be for them. What is the obambass going to do next make a law that forces docs to practice medicine in these areas???
31 posted on 03/21/2010 8:38:07 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

RE: “The best thing any doctor can do for the country is QUIT.

I urge ALL people working in health care to QUIT. You can come back after Obamacare collapses.

Urge YOUR doctor and all other medical personnel to QUIT.”

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AGREE! If there are very few physicians, where are all these extra bodies on Obamacare gonna go? The system will be overloaded/bankrupt before it even gets going.


32 posted on 03/21/2010 8:39:43 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: Travis McGee

Possible Galt’s Gulch:

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


33 posted on 03/21/2010 8:40:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: oldenuff2no
What is the obambass going to do next make a law that forces docs to practice medicine in these areas???

Come on, you say that like it isn't possible! This is America! ANYTHING is possible!

34 posted on 03/21/2010 8:40:59 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (A government big enough to do unto the people you don't like will get to doing unto you soon enough.)
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To: CaliforniaCon
Americans would not accept care from substandard physicians.
There would be a revolt.
It was different in Russia-as they did not know any better.
There is no way in the US physicians would accept 40-60,000 salary.
My husband is a physician- if that occurred he could teach high school biology for the same wages.
No way, no how, anyone is going to take that level of stress job for 40-60,000.
It would kill health care.
Of course, they could pass a law that made physicians slaves.
35 posted on 03/21/2010 8:41:30 PM PDT by kaila
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To: Terry Mross

That’s what I’m concerned about....


36 posted on 03/21/2010 8:41:33 PM PDT by phatus maximus ( John 6:29. Learn it, love it, live it.)
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To: CaliforniaCon

Billy boy(the 6’3pantywaist) is dying to get an interview with the plastic lesbian or the colored capone. If it happenes, he’ll have to wear double depends


37 posted on 03/21/2010 8:42:06 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I will close my office and work in a free clinic!


38 posted on 03/21/2010 8:42:16 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: oldenuff2no

Maybe he’ll bring in some of Castro’s “barefoot doctors” from Cuba. According to Michael Moore, that system is already superior to our’s...


39 posted on 03/21/2010 8:43:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: Texas4ever

RE: “ARE YOU REALLY NOT WAKING UP EVERYONE......AMERICANS ARE DONE..........WE NOW LIVE IN DIVERCITY....

WHERE BLACK IS IN AND WHITE IS OUT

BACK DOOR REPERATIONS.....HOW’S THAT WHITEMANS BURDEN WORKING? WE HAVE BEEN DUPED......AMERICA...IS PAYING THE MAN....AND OH YA HE IS REALLY BLACK!”

*************

Oh yes, Al Sharpton himself said it very clearly on TV tonight for millions to hear — When people voted for Obama, they voted for socialism. The ‘guest’ who is staying with me, and who is not-so-secretly a Dem pretending to be independent, was SHOCKED, STUNNED, AGHAST. I calmly looked at him and said “You must be kidding — how could you NOT know well before the election what you were voting for? THAT’S what’s shocking to me!


40 posted on 03/21/2010 8:43:48 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon (,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


41 posted on 03/21/2010 8:43:52 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: kaila

Isn’t the US Public Health Service a uniformed entity like the military? Okay, he’ll just draft all MDs, DOs, etc. into the USPHS under Selective Service. Impossible? I thought the government making me pay for health insurance or putting me in jail was “impossible” a few years ago...


42 posted on 03/21/2010 8:47:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, the Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: Texas4ever

“Diversity is our strength.”

Only trouble is “our” doesn’t mean you and me.


43 posted on 03/21/2010 8:49:07 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, my brother-in-law, a surgeon in his mid 50’s said he’d be quitting rather than practice under Obamacare.


44 posted on 03/21/2010 8:50:50 PM PDT by Texan
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To: kaila

You hit everything right no the head. You husband could probably teach at the college level and make 100K a year. Why should he be stuck taking handouts from the government and going broke.
Most docs that I know couldn’t pay their student loans and put a roof over their heads at 40-60K a year.
This is all so stupid in so many different ways. They are going to have to continually tweak this to keep it afloat. Eventually it will break this country financially.


45 posted on 03/21/2010 8:51:43 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Freedom is worth fighting for.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess he could draft them.
I wonder if it could pass the Supreme Court.
At that point, we would escape to a different country.
Maybe Costa Rica.


46 posted on 03/21/2010 8:53:14 PM PDT by kaila
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Medical draft is not that far fetched -

http://hasbrouck.org/draft/health.html


47 posted on 03/21/2010 8:59:32 PM PDT by justsaynomore
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To: CaliforniaCon
It costs the physician money to see medicaid patients. This will stop. They will be referred to the county clinics. The ER will become more overrun than before these votes. Hospitals will have to tighten their belts. You will have to get permission from a federal government beurocracy to get a CT scan or PETA or MRI. These will come to be 'rationed'. Everyone learn well what the term "ration" means....you and your family will experience it. We will move to a federal sales tax in order to attempt to keep up with expenditures which the Republicans warned of, but which the dems disregarded. YOur home budget will be cut and you and your children will have to do with less.

Your children and grandchildren will pay the full price, never to know freedom to fail or freedom to excell. They will have a burdon placed upon them, the likes of which we have not know. And, if war comes, where will the resources come from to conduct a just war? We begin to move into the column which Great Britain occupies. Freedom lost tonight. YOur children lost tonight. Socialism won the day. We have spent the past 50 years inculcating into the minds of people they are entitled to what others have and what others produce. They are entitled to it by fiat decree. This is the fruit of socialism. But this is the 'good' fruit (so they say). The choosing of certain people as worthy of 'resources' will result in deeming others unworthy. We have seen it before. Eugenics is on the rise. They even got ole Stupak to turn on his allies, those who stood with him up until 1 hour before voting time. Then he called them unAmerican. So easy is it to turn those who proclaim virtue and eschew it in reality. Shame, shame, shame upon Stupak. He made the difference. He claimed the high ground and then exposed himself as a confidence man. Shame on him. This man is never, ever to be believed again. He is the keeper of the den of iniquity.

Just think of it. 24 months ago, there was no 'crisis'. This medical crisis was a contrivance of the left, but its results will be hellish.

Three weeks ago this bill was defeated. Then the Republicans went to Blair House on the Obama pretext of working together. He pretended he would be 'bipartisan', and now we have the bill which was said to previously be dead, hung around the necks of our children and grandchildren. We have forsaken the millions who bled and died for freedom and to push back socialism. There is no shame great enough to describe this ruination.

48 posted on 03/21/2010 9:06:25 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: historyrepeatz
This is what doctors were saying on Sermo before the bill passed:

Where else in the economy do people eat at a restaurant but the restaurant owner has to fight the credit card company to get paid?

We just bought another 5 gazzillion terabytes of storage for all of the stupid scanned documents and they can't even keep the paper records straight! My friends who operated in war zones had better communication

HEALTH CARE IS NOT A RIGHT!
A Right is freedom of action in a social context. A Right is NOT a license for extortion of benefits from others at the point of a gun or by Government edict, also by force.

Returning to Haiti is looking better everyday!

Revolt NOW!

We have to get all third parties OUT of our relationship with our patients. Medical insurance must be limited to its original status (50+ years ago): a contract strictly between the patient and the insurance company. No assignment! The doctor renders the service. The patient pays the doctor. The insurance company reimburses the patient according to what the patient bought. Afraid too many patients will simply pocket the payment? I can handle that better than I can handle the endless hassels and headaches from the insurance companies. What happens to fees? I could lower my U&C fees about 40% and my blood pressure about 30 points if I did not have to deal with all those miserable third parties.

49 posted on 03/21/2010 9:08:47 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: justsaynomore
I am a nurse.
If they draft me- I will tell some of my patients what I think of their lifestyles .
It would not be pretty.
For example- I would tell the welfare baby mamas with different bio fathers to stop screwing around.
I tell it in the most explicit way.
I would also call some of my lazy , drug addicted patients that they are losers to their faces.
You can bet I would get kicked out of the “draft”.
No more PC nurse action from me.
50 posted on 03/21/2010 9:10:31 PM PDT by kaila
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