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Now, is it time to take the birth certificateissue seriously?

Posted on 03/22/2010 5:05:06 AM PDT by paythefiddler

this would be a direct way to kill the bill


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1 posted on 03/22/2010 5:05:06 AM PDT by paythefiddler
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To: paythefiddler

I agree. Who is Barak Obama?


2 posted on 03/22/2010 5:05:59 AM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: paythefiddler

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2476467/posts


3 posted on 03/22/2010 5:06:09 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: paythefiddler

Supposedly the first person arrested on any bill Obama signs can demand his BC as part of their defense. I think this is another reason why this does not kick in until later.


4 posted on 03/22/2010 5:06:26 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: paythefiddler
Correct.

I've said for some time that ANY legislation passed by the ineligible POTUS could be means to undo the damage, BUT, the next move is to pack all the Courts with like-minded loonie socialist activists, as is being done now and soon will be done to SCOTUS, to assure no legal means to mess up their agenda.

The State-Run-Media will continue the propoganda that says anyone challenging The Messiah's birth-right just is branded "sore-loser" or "crackpot", while ignoring the U.S. Constitution and Framers' intent, totally.

5 posted on 03/22/2010 5:08:13 AM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: paythefiddler

Good luck.

I hope you do it.


6 posted on 03/22/2010 5:09:51 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: paythefiddler

7 posted on 03/22/2010 5:11:27 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: paythefiddler

I wish


8 posted on 03/22/2010 5:12:02 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: paythefiddler

It’s way past the time to successfully reverse all of political correctness throughout the entire world until it’s successfully eliminated throughout the entire world!


9 posted on 03/22/2010 5:12:54 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: paythefiddler

Seriesly?


10 posted on 03/22/2010 5:13:18 AM PDT by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: GoCards
we really don't know, do we?
11 posted on 03/22/2010 5:13:51 AM PDT by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: paythefiddler

Unless some “heavy hitters” get in back of this issue, it will go about as far as a fart in a hurricane. The time for this is past...unfortunately.


12 posted on 03/22/2010 5:14:25 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

the best that a common citizen can do is
support physically and financial those
who have the expertise


13 posted on 03/22/2010 5:15:35 AM PDT by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: All

Here is hoping that the typo freaks have the same passion of pointing out mistakes as the same who are searching for Obamas past.

If they all band together we could have the bum out of office tomorrow.

The now trend of shame, being a typo enforcer, I bet you guys are just running to sign on as the new IRS tax enforcers as well.


14 posted on 03/22/2010 5:17:57 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: paythefiddler
Now, is it time to take the birth certificate issue seriously?

this would be a direct way to kill the bill

Wrong.

The way to kill it is on Constitutional Grounds.

The Birther thing is s DEAD. Barry is POTUS, deal with it. The SoS of all the states dropped the ball on his eligibility. Their mistake, but its now our reality.

(1) Actually it's a Bill of Pain and Penalties, but legally its the same.

15 posted on 03/22/2010 5:19:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Condor51

not a dead issue, my friend
we should use all means
killing the bill is the battle
getting rid of ob is the war


16 posted on 03/22/2010 5:24:08 AM PDT by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: Frantzie

As I understnad it, taxes start this month! No “benis” for 4 years.


17 posted on 03/22/2010 5:25:28 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: Condor51

Kick his muslim azz out and all he has signed will be undone. CALL OUR REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMEN IN WASHINGTON NOW.
WE MUST STAND UP.


18 posted on 03/22/2010 5:26:39 AM PDT by manonCANAL
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To: paythefiddler

Accept for the fact that Barrack’s mother was a US Citizen and no matter where she was on the planet when her water broke, her child was born a US Citizen.

What the Democrats did to this country yesterday is no joke. You’d better wise up with this idiotic popcorn fart of an attack that enables the Democrats to paint all of Obama’s critics “birthers”.

They just passed a takeover of 1/6th of the US economy by using every kind of deceit and corruption, and over the objection of a bipartisan coalition representing most Americans. The is more than enough substance with which we can attack them, without looking like Republican’s answer to the Daily Kos Kooks.


19 posted on 03/22/2010 5:28:46 AM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: paythefiddler

NO!

The subject makes you look like an idiot and undermines your crediblity in effectively fighting the real issues in front of us.

It DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU’RE RIGHT!
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE IT!


20 posted on 03/22/2010 5:31:15 AM PDT by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: paythefiddler

It was stupid crap like this that enabled what happened last night.


21 posted on 03/22/2010 5:34:16 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: paythefiddler
The same criminals that stole American healthcare and innovation
inserted Pres_ _ent Obama by lying on federal documents.

THE COVERUP

Proof of DNC Corruption conveniently ignored by DOJ and SCOTUS

Altered voting certificates by Pelosi for election fraud for the DNC

Exhibit 1: (the original, but discarded) states:
”THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the
United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the
following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice
President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President
and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions
of the United States Constitution:”



Exhibit 2: specifically leaves out the qualifying requirement:
”THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the
United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the
following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice
President of the United States respectively:”


Exhibit 3: More altered documents where the natural born requirement
Check off box … was removed.


“D.C. Tech Official Is Accused of Bribery(Birth Certificate Forgery)
A D.C. government official and a business executive were arrested yesterday on bribery
charges involving city technology contracts that included "ghost" workers and
kickbacks, federal authorities said. Until recently, the technology office was headed
by Vivek Kundra, who has taken a job as President Obama's chief information officer.
A White House official confirmed last night that Kundra has taken a leave of absence.
“Yusuf Acar, 40, who has worked in the technology office since 2004, was charged with
bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Hibarger told a federal judge that Acar is a flight risk because agents
seized $70,000 in cash in his house and because in recorded conversations, he boasted that he could easily flee to his native Turkey.
Acar also told the informant that he could use
computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates, Hibarger said. “

22 posted on 03/22/2010 5:34:34 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: msg-84

Except for the fact that you have redefine what a natural born citizen is to pretend your guy is one.

You’d better wise up and reevaluate which side you want to be on.


23 posted on 03/22/2010 5:34:38 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: paythefiddler
All you Newbies are making FReepers look like conspiracy kooks.

'my friend'

24 posted on 03/22/2010 5:36:31 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: Sloth
No. What enabled last night were the attacks on GovPalin and
her children by the RomneyBOTs -- the same people
who attacked those who demand and demanded one (1) real, documented, BC.

Last night was Obama's and Mitt Romney's win.

Last night was a win for those who attacked Gov. Palin
from within the GOP. Want some urls?

25 posted on 03/22/2010 5:37:37 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: msg-84
...no matter where she was on the planet when her water broke, her child was born a US Citizen.

Not true.

According to citizenship law in effect at the time of his birth, she was not old enough to automatically confer citizenship to her son at birth.

26 posted on 03/22/2010 5:38:33 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Diogenesis

>> Last night was Obama’s and Mitt Romney’s win.

The House GOP count is very low primarily because of a pathetic 2008 POTUS campaign.


27 posted on 03/22/2010 5:40:36 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: manonCANAL
*** Kick his muslim azz out ... ***

Language like that is what the left & MSM uses against Free Republic to classify us as racists, extremists and conspiracy nuts.

You newbies need to lighten up. This isn't Storm Front.

28 posted on 03/22/2010 5:43:23 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: All

This is the reason why we are not defeatists, we know what the Constitution was originally designed for.

It was for an emergency JUST LIKE THIS, for all those not knowing where to turn to they should read it, it is not “just an old piece of paper”.

Obama is an usurper thats been promoted by enemies from within, plain and simple, he was NOT eligible to BE POTUS and he is legally without the power to sign any binding resolution such as Obamacare.

I will not reply to anybody that wants to be an idiot discussing nonsense about native/natural born just to waste time and space, and if you trolls do you will be zotted and tracked down, you come back we will fry you again.

MARK

MY

WORDS


29 posted on 03/22/2010 5:43:52 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: paythefiddler

Hell yes. Now is the time for the Supreme Court to step up.


30 posted on 03/22/2010 5:44:56 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: Diogenesis

I’ll agree that may be a contributing factor, and I despise Romney, but I think more blame lies with McCain.


31 posted on 03/22/2010 5:45:00 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: msg-84

You clearly do not understand the US Constitution nor the requirements to be POTUS.

The fact that his father was a British Citizen alone proves Obama was not a natural born citizen. The entire premise of the natural born citizen clause was to make sure someone didn’t have dual allegiance.

Now ask yourself one question: Does Obama have sole allegience to the USA? His actions are exactly what our fore-fathers warned us about and tried to put a mechanism in place to prevent this from happening.

What is the big problem with forcing him to produce the credentials? We just need enough states to pass laws that require the production of the credentials in order to qualify for the electoral votes. This alone will make Obama a 1 term president.

If he is a fraud and we need to find out one way or another the bigger implication is how do we handle all the people connected to this?


32 posted on 03/22/2010 5:56:18 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: paythefiddler

not sure it would kill the bill, I am certain Biden would sign it


33 posted on 03/22/2010 5:57:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: paythefiddler
No, its time to take the Constitution seriously and force a judge to do his duty. Obama came to office ignoring the Constitution, fully knowing that having a alien father disqualified him. The Republicans were compliant because McCain too was ineligible. There is no allowance in the Constitution for simply ignoring provisions. Read Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny, chapter 4. “To say that the Constitution is a ‘living and breathing document’ is to give license to arbitrary and lawless activism.” I won't quote James Madison's quotation used by Mark on page 37, but will ask when Mark understands the issue whether he might prefer to bill for the enormous amount of legal work which could come from fighting every injury caused by Obama's unconstitutional acts. Of course they are 'unconstitutional', but so is Obama!

There has never been another definition of natural born citizen in supreme court proceedings than that repeated by Chief Justices Marshall and Waite, citing Vattel, “born in the country of citizen parents.” When will the non-trolls understand and communicate to others that Obama is patently ineligible? It was part of his audacity that he told us up front about his British/Kenyan father; the first minority president knew no one in the legislature would challenge him - but they ALL knew. Every senator signed Senate Res. 511 in 2008 smoothing the path for McCain by all saying they thought we should turn the other way because his allegiance; the allegiance of a prisoner of war, should not be questioned. They all signed the resolution, including Obama, declaring McCain a natural born citizen because both of his parents were citizens, even though he was born off of our soil. That is the audacity of a con man, to generously forgive another man's qualification problem on very provision he himself fails.

An agreement among gentlemen or crooks does not amend the Constitution. Our leaders have acted as if there has been an amendment to Article II Section I. Now we must all pay because we ignored the very provision designed to ferret someone who, because one of both of his parents didn't, doesn't respect our Constitution. This one told us “it doesn't let me do things I think need to be done.”

He is ineligible. We must demand that our Constitution be respected, even if the Levins and Becks haven't the courage, since Obama will clearly stop at nothing to turn us into a socialist paradise like Cuba or Venezuela.

34 posted on 03/22/2010 5:59:38 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: paythefiddler

When above the law you don’t have to prove anything.


35 posted on 03/22/2010 6:09:06 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Buckeye McFrog

It would kill it. The Constitution requires a presidential signature within 10 days of the bill dies (pocket veto). The whole bill would have to run through Congress again in order to allow President Biden to sign it. Good luck with that.


36 posted on 03/22/2010 6:11:21 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: BykrBayb
"Except for the fact that you have redefine what a natural born citizen is to pretend your guy is one.

You’d better wise up and reevaluate which side you want to be on."


Yeah, my post definitely signals 'my guy' is Obama.

I'll reiterate:

They just passed a takeover of 1/6th of the US economy by using every kind of deceit and corruption, and over the objection of a bipartisan coalition representing most Americans. The is more than enough substance with which we can attack them, without looking like Republican’s answer to the Daily Kos Kooks.

I have no doubt about which side I am on, and I know in time we will win, despite the presence of Birthers in our ranks.

Here's an academic exercise for you:
Explain how Obama's birth certificate nullifies what 219 members of the US House of Representatives did yesterday.
37 posted on 03/22/2010 7:02:58 AM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Frantzie

As soon as he signs this bill we are back to our military having standing over the Tricare issue.


38 posted on 03/22/2010 7:03:54 AM PDT by Brytani (Good Morning Comrades!!! FUBO)
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To: paythefiddler
The insane Birther "undo the election and make the nightmare go away" jurisprudence.


39 posted on 03/22/2010 7:07:13 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: surfer

If Obama’s Mommy had a one night stand with Osama Bin Laden and lil Barry was born, should we let him be President cause he was a citizen? Would the Constitution allow for it?

How about Castro, Chavez, Hitler?

That so many people either have their heads up their rears or are simply “Trolls for Obama” are saying YES to those very scenarios.


40 posted on 03/22/2010 7:11:26 AM PDT by Brytani (Good Morning Comrades!!! FUBO)
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To: Brytani

amen...


41 posted on 03/22/2010 7:26:20 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: BykrBayb
You're wasting your time with him/her.

Willful ignorance can't be changed, that's why it called stupid.

You know it's willful ignorance because he/she completely ignores the father and only makes reference to the mother.

Also, as you pointed out, he/she completely redefines NBC to fit their beliefs.

42 posted on 03/22/2010 7:50:29 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Sgt_Schultze

From the Constitution:

“If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law”

The pocket veto only works if Congress adjourns. As long as Congress is in session, the bill automatically becomes law when the President signs it or in 10 days if he doesn’t sign it.


43 posted on 03/22/2010 8:05:47 AM PDT by truthfree
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To: paythefiddler

We need to see Barry’s original long form birth certificate, proof that he registered for Selective Service and his college records from Occidental.


44 posted on 03/22/2010 8:08:34 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: G Larry
The subject makes you look like an idiot and undermines your crediblity in effectively fighting the real issues in front of us.

Constitutional eligibiliy IS a "real issue". If you will not demand that one part of the Constitution be obeyed, you have no credibility in demanding that other parts be obeyed.

45 posted on 03/22/2010 8:30:20 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: G Larry
It DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU’RE RIGHT!
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE IT!

Now that is the saddest comment you could make.

46 posted on 03/22/2010 8:36:14 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: DuncanWaring
According to citizenship law in effect at the time of his birth, she was not old enough to automatically confer citizenship to her son at birth.

But it only applies to an outside the country birth. It's not so much she wasn't old enough, but rather she had not lived in the US long enough after her 14th birthday. Same thing almost, but someone could be 25 and still not meet the residency requirement if they had lived overseas most of the time after turning 14.

The requirement also only applies if the US citizen parent is married to an alien. It's much less if both parents are citizens or the mother is not married.

47 posted on 03/22/2010 8:40:56 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Spaulding
Republicans were compliant because McCain too was ineligible

Or they may have thought he might be. In reality, two US parents and born in the armies of the nation, makes him an NBC accordig to Vattel's "Law of Nations", which is the likely source of the two parents/born the country definition of NBC that the founders used. See "Law of Nations", Book I, sections 212 and 217.

48 posted on 03/22/2010 8:44:18 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

The primary question in my mind, at this point, is “Why couldn’t the Clintons dig anything up?”.


49 posted on 03/22/2010 8:48:55 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Brytani
If Obama’s Mommy had a one night stand with Osama Bin Laden and lil Barry was born, should we let him be President cause he was a citizen? Would the Constitution allow for it?

Probably, but not if OBL took her as his 4th wife in some Muslim country.

But of course we really don't know if he was born in Hawaii for certain. We just know that some "birth record" says he was. But those things are easy to file fraudulently, and it was done frequently in the past. Just file as a non-hospital birth, and back then, there were no questions asked.

50 posted on 03/22/2010 8:51:38 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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