Kudos.
Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.
Posted on 03/23/2010 10:08:20 AM PDT by Noumenon
You dont' want that. Far too easily hijacked by the scum that rules us now. Right, Travis?
We can look forward to many awful things if the present government keeps up its high handed actions. To counter them—session is but one answer. If some states break away and form a new nation they could repudiate the debts of the old state. Start from scrach—dump NAFTA, NATO, UN, etc... But, it would need to be a full break and risk Civil War. It didn’t turn out to well the last time. Goal should be to seize nukes from bases to threaten New York and Washington if the New Confederacy of Freedom is attacked. The USA would be lost forever. I do not think this is a road any patriot would like to follow.
BUT, there are other things that might be done.
1. Rebellion—toss bombs like the weather underground did.
But such could only work with wide popular support for such actions. Only possible if Obama moves to silence critics and arrests Ruah, Beck and Palin—or tries to take guns away. Bloody, messy, and I doubt if such would work.
2. Military Take over. Possible—such things were even talked about in FDRs time. Let the takes roll in Washington DC and shell the White House. Let soldeirs arrest Nancy P and crowd. A Junta of Generals could rule until elections called. All entitlements reviewed—all debts canceled, and protests swept away by a grapeshot. Unions suppressed and Government owned industry sold off. Foreign owned business would be seized by the state. Toyota would become Liberty Automobiles, Hyundai would be Washington Automotive. Again, this could only work with popular support.
3. Rise of a new Political/Social Party. A single charismatic leader could start a new reform Nationalistic Party. It would need to promise real change and a return to American Values. They would need to be violent to counter the forces of the left wing unions and Communists. They would have to promise a return to American Greatness and a restoration of American Glory. Lots of flags, music, and everyone works—no more throw away people—all will be united in the re-building of a New America. Newspapers and TV stations that do not follow the New Order would be burned to the ground. Once in power camps and re-education centers set up to take care of dissenters. All will work, but the new America will look more like the 1950s than anything else. Something like this was tried in Germany once, and it didn’t turn out so well. Still, with a leader who wasn’t a nut case, it might work—look at Italy under Mussolini?
SS is just another Leftist scam that has already been borrowed against by our politicians. According to the Grace Commission, created by Pres. Reagan, all taxes collected by the Feds goes to pay the interest on our national debt and that is all. The money that the Feds hands out is all borrowed from the Fed and other countries.
All prior legislation and judicial reviews would be abolished.
This is exactly what I would like to see. If followed to the letter, I would bet the United States would be back on top in less than 10 years. Total freedom as seen prior to the progressive takeover in the early 20th century provides for massive domestic growth, on a scale not seen in the first 10 years of this century. Safety and security of the citizen would increase exponentially as gun ownership becomes a matter of pride and personal duty. And the United States federal government could focus the flood of taxpayer dollars on exploits such as space exploration and increased R&D for next-gen weapons and other necessities of a free and well-armed representative Republic.
Get government OUT of my life, and I will prosper. I still believe in the American Dream!
The leftists who currently occupy the government in Washington are working overtime to tear down the United States as we know it. Secession would weaken the country, thereby playing right into their hands.
Talking about secession also plays into their hands. The vast majority of Americans would never go along with secession. Those who propose it will be branded as anti-American kooks.
Besides, why should I have to leave my country? If the leftists cannot abide a free and prosperous United States, they can leave.
This is still the United States of America. I don’t feel very optimistic today- but I’m not yet ready to ponder something of this magnitude.
However- we are a divided nation- in profound ways that appear to be growing rather than healing.
I agree. I still believe in the American idea as well.
I think another key component is increasing the number of House members so that ratio of reps/constituents is roughly the same as when the Constitution was ratified.
I didn’t know it was reduced. Any links or literature on that for my perusal?
Congress fixed the number of House members to an arbitrary 435 in 1929 or thereabouts.
Walter Williams wrote about it here: http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/10/15/political_monopoly_power
This group is trying actively seeking to return to those numbers: http://www.thirty-thousand.org/index.htm
So when some of us do secede, what will you do?
The author is correct in stating that the states — alone — have the power to bring the federal monster to heel.
All it will take is one state (Texas keeps coming to mind) willing to stand up to the feds and say, “No, you will NOT” and the rest of the states will follow. There will naturally be a cutoff of all federal fund, which can quickly be countered by a refusal to forward federal income tax payments. Then the real fun begins!
Unfortunately, we are all “conditioned” to abhor civil disobedience and anything that smacks of law-breaking. Talk back to Washington with a loud and strong voice? Pass a state law or do something without asking “mother, may I?” first? Oh horrors!
So ... never mind. Can’t upset Washington, can we? Enjoy your chains.
“...don’t bombard any forts on your way out...”
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But, mom-m-m-m-m!
THEY started it!
We ceased to be the the United States of America on November 7, 2008.
That’s the deal, they WON’T leave.
But we can redefine what the United States is,
and what it ISN’T: all that remain with the current federal government.
All that join the newly defined set are the USA.
Federal income tax payments don't come from the state, they're collected by employers.
Unless states like Texas and Idaho are willign to deploy their NG units and mobilize their citzenry, it’s all talk. And then we’re down to to those lonely, individual hills we’re will to die upon.
Kudos.
"Some of us"? Can you be a little more specific?
States secede, not individuals. Even if you and all of your friends got together and decided to secede, that would not be enough. You would have to convince the majority of citizens in your state to go along with the idea.
Do you honestly think you can convince the majority of citizens in any state to vote for secession?
It would be better to work to reclaim the culture and institutions of the United States than to waste time and effort on unlikely schemes such as secession.
I believe that there are a few states that will become more amenable to secession in the coming years. I firmly believe that the US is too big, too diverse, and too divided to function as one nation, and I think the toothpaste is too far out of the tube to be replaced.
That is my question, what state would secede? In the 1850s it was pretty clear to everyone where the dividing line might be if hostilities were to break out. I do not believe a war is coming, but I wonder what is the breaking point. What would be to much for me? Would it be healthcare, amnesty, cap and trade, or something far worse and unspeakable.
I do not believe there is a dividing line, we are all in this together, and need to confront this together. We need to get organized fast though.
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