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To: rbosque
I didn't say that Scripture doesn't tell us to work. I just said that Scripture separates works from salvation. And NO. Ephesians is NOT talking about Jewish Law, unless by that you are saying he's saying we are not saved by works. That doesn't even make sense otherwise.

Who is it written to? Ephesians 2:1

And you [who?] hath he quickened,[the one's He quickened. Who were they?] who were dead in trespasses and sins;[the one's once dead in trespasses and sins]

And what is He telling them???

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.[note, His kindness isn't due to what we do for Him. It is through Christ Jesus.] 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship[Not our own. We work because He enables us and ordained us to do works, not for our salvation], created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,[Note: They were formerly gentiles, not Jews] who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.[Not by your works. No mention of it except to say it isn't for that reason you are saved.]
14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;[Note: He is doing the working here] 15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:[Note: it is by the cross, and the enmity has already been slain. i.e., it doesn't have to be slain over and over again. The work is done.] 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18For through him[Not through our works] we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;[Jesus is the rock upon which we rest] 21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.[not through your works]
49 posted on 03/23/2010 9:57:35 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

I respectfully disagree; works are an integral component to our salvation, as is faith through grace. God calls us to good works not only as an expression of our faith but also as a condition for salvation. James provides a reminder and discounts the belief of sola fides…

“What does it profit, my brethren, even though a man say he has faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?” James 2:14 Here, the answer is no as a single condition. Again,

“Even so faith if it has not works, is dead, being alone.” James 2:17

These two passages are typical of the doctrine that both are required. Again, James accents this by further adding,

“Yes, a man may say, you have faith and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” James 2:18

“But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” James 2:20

“Do you see that faith worked along with his works, and by the works the faith was made perfect?” James 2:22

“You see then how that by works, a man is justified, and not by faith only.” James 2:24
This passage sums up my point and is a summation that works are required, but not works alone.


52 posted on 03/23/2010 10:18:11 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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