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DNA identifies new ancient human dubbed 'X-woman'
BBC ^ | 3-24-10 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 03/24/2010 1:38:44 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Scientists have identified a previously unknown type of ancient human through analysis of DNA from a finger bone unearthed in a Siberian cave.

The extinct "hominin" (human like creature) lived in Central Asia between 48,000 and 30,000 years ago.

An international team has sequenced genetic material from the fossil showing that it is distinct from that of Neanderthals and modern humans.

Details of the find, dubbed "X-woman", have been published in Nature journal.

Ornaments were found in the same ground layer as the finger bone, including a bracelet.

Professor Chris Stringer, human origins researcher at London's Natural History Museum, called the discovery "a very exciting development".

"This new DNA work provides an entirely new way of looking at the still poorly-understood evolution of humans in central and eastern Asia."

The discovery raises the intriguing possibility that three forms of human - Homo sapiens, Neanderthals and the species represented by X-woman - could have met each other and interacted in southern Siberia.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: denisovacave; denisovans; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; homosapiens; multiregionalism; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; science; svantepbo

1 posted on 03/24/2010 1:38:45 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

New “Missing Link” Hoax Ping


2 posted on 03/24/2010 1:40:12 PM PDT by jessduntno (B. Hussein Obama...I look at him and think, in the words of Biden, "Big F***ing deal.")
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To: smokingfrog

The three seem to come together in the democrat party
without much problem...


3 posted on 03/24/2010 1:41:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: smokingfrog
(human like creature) lived in Central Asia between 48,000 and 30,000 years ago.


4 posted on 03/24/2010 1:41:40 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: smokingfrog

5 posted on 03/24/2010 1:42:55 PM PDT by Red Badger (Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
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To: jessduntno

Mrs. Piltdown ?


6 posted on 03/24/2010 1:43:25 PM PDT by Frankss
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To: Red Badger

Yes!


7 posted on 03/24/2010 1:43:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Red Badger

8 posted on 03/24/2010 1:43:40 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: smokingfrog


Whatever it is, it's the ugliest thing I have ever seen.
9 posted on 03/24/2010 1:44:49 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: smokingfrog

Channeling Erik Estrada...
“You’re a hominin!”


10 posted on 03/24/2010 1:44:52 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: jessduntno

Whatcha talking about. They found a finger bone!

Is it really possible to get any reliable/uncontaminated DNA from finger bone that is this old? (I’m not a scientist.)


11 posted on 03/24/2010 1:50:27 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Red Badger

I suddenly feel like a cave man!


12 posted on 03/24/2010 1:51:22 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: Andonius_99

damn you!


13 posted on 03/24/2010 1:51:56 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: smokingfrog

“Whatcha talking about. They found a finger bone!”

Probably a donation from some lifelong student looking for more grant money so he won’t have to get a job.


14 posted on 03/24/2010 1:57:08 PM PDT by jessduntno (B. Hussein Obama...I look at him and think, in the words of Biden, "Big F***ing deal.")
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To: smokingfrog
LOL. You had to know it was coming...I mean, come on, any time anything gets posted here about anything ancient, who do we see? At least I got it out of the way in the top 10! :)
15 posted on 03/24/2010 2:01:30 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


16 posted on 03/24/2010 2:05:21 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: smokingfrog

“Is it really possible to get any reliable/uncontaminated DNA from finger bone that is this old? (I’m not a scientist.”

Not if the earth is no more than six thousand years old!


17 posted on 03/24/2010 2:07:13 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


18 posted on 03/24/2010 2:16:22 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: smokingfrog
Simple species X is just the offspring of Homo sapiens who humped Neanderthals.

Heck there are guy humping sheep, you can't tell me they wouldn't hump a Neanderthal girl.

19 posted on 03/24/2010 2:22:43 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I guess that's what they mean by inter-”action.” Why didn't they just say they were humping each other? Of course, we don't know if it was consensual.
20 posted on 03/24/2010 2:29:57 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: smokingfrog
Ornaments were found in the same ground layer as the finger bone, including a bracelet.

At 38-40k years ago that's as interesting as being a different species.

21 posted on 03/24/2010 2:57:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Down a lazy river ...)
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To: Red Badger

Thank you. That’s the ancient ancestor I want to imagine. ;^)


22 posted on 03/24/2010 3:02:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Down a lazy river ...)
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To: smokingfrog
Of course, we don't know if it was consensual.

I think the statute of limitations is 25,000 years. /s

23 posted on 03/24/2010 3:05:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Down a lazy river ...)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
X-woman branched off from the common ancestor of sapiens and neanderthal 500k years before sapiens and neanderthal split (per BBC). Even if the latter two homos got to humping, their hybrid offspring would be distinct from X-woman.

                  |........................................................ X-woman (48 - 30 KYA)
                 /
Common ancestor |                                          | Homo neanderthalensis (300 - 30 KYA) 
(1 MYA)          \                                        /
(Homo ergaster?)  | Homo heidelbergensis (circa 500 KYA) |
                                                          \
                                                           | Homo sapiens (200 KYA)

Dates are really rough, but it shows how the three species could have co-existed.

24 posted on 03/24/2010 3:16:43 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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25 posted on 03/24/2010 3:21:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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26 posted on 03/24/2010 3:22:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: SunkenCiv
Can we reopen the Out Of Africa Theory now?
27 posted on 03/24/2010 3:27:24 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Don’t you think the “X-Woman” angle is a lot more exciting though?


28 posted on 03/24/2010 3:36:03 PM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: JennysCool

ahhhh

Jean Gray


29 posted on 03/24/2010 5:17:11 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: Andonius_99

Correction.

That is an EX-woman.

30 posted on 03/24/2010 5:23:16 PM PDT by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: jessduntno
Probably a donation from some lifelong student looking for more grant money so he won’t have to get a job.

Egads, woman. Your hatred of science reeks.
31 posted on 03/25/2010 6:24:20 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: aNYCguy

“Egads, woman. Your hatred of science reeks.”

Not science...scientists...science is fine with me, young lady.


32 posted on 03/25/2010 6:27:12 PM PDT by jessduntno (B. Hussein Obama...I look at him and think, in the words of Biden, "Big F***ing deal.")
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To: jessduntno
Not science...scientists...science is fine with me, young lady.

I'm neither young nor a lady. I thought my name would make my gender obvious, Jess.

I'm sure no scientist is losing sleep over the hatred of a know-nothing like you, so I won't either.
33 posted on 03/25/2010 9:57:23 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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“I’m neither young nor a lady. I thought my name would make my gender obvious, Jess. I’m sure no scientist is losing sleep over the hatred of a know-nothing like you, so I won’t either.”

Oh...yeah, screen names tell exactly who one is talking to...well...if you ARE a NYC guy, I have news for you...I think NYC sucks. I think of NYC like a rectal itch...thank goodness it is contained in one small area and it can’t spread any further because it is such a nasty hole.

And primarily I think that way because it is full of morons like you. You don’t know me. You know nothing about me. You are a pretentious, preening, pusillanimous pseudo-intellectual troll.

And if you are a scientist, I think even less of you because you know nothing of rational thought, linear process or even worse, you form an idea THEN seek to prove it true. You are - the opposite of a scientist, like most of the pencil necked geeks that are walking around pretending to know WTF they are talking about.


34 posted on 03/25/2010 10:32:03 PM PDT by jessduntno (B. Hussein Obama...I look at him and think, in the words of Biden, "Big F***ing deal.")
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To: jessduntno
I think NYC sucks. I think of NYC like a rectal itch... etc. etc.

Hey, I understand. Not everyone could make it here. I'll bet you're a pretty big fish in whatever small pond you live in.

You don’t know me. You know nothing about me.

That's wrong. I didn't know anything about you until you embarrassed yourself in public by declaring that science is a parasitic, fraudulent waste of time. And really, that's all I need to know about you to be confident that you're a drooling moron.
35 posted on 03/28/2010 10:57:49 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: aNYCguy

So, you got nothing, eh?


36 posted on 03/29/2010 7:11:02 AM PDT by jessduntno (B. Hussein Obama...I look at him and think, in the words of Biden, "Big F***ing deal.")
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