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Praying in park puts man in jail for 9 days
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | March 24, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/24/2010 7:02:27 PM PDT by Man50D

A Christian who prayed in a public park with six other people is serving a nine-day jail sentence for disorderly conduct even though his case is under appeal and charges against the others were dismissed or overturned.

Julian Raven of Elmira, N.Y., said he was "surprised by police at his office," handcuffed and taken into custody this week, according to the Alliance Defense Fund, which is defending Raven.

"According to his wife, police escorted him out of a court hearing … in handcuffs in front of his crying children to begin serving his nine-day jail sentence," the organization said in a report.

"We are surprised at how eager the city was to arrest Mr. Raven again in light of his appeal. Now he will serve time in jail; however, we will continue to aggressively pursue his appeal in court," said Joel Oster, ADF senior legal counsel.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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1 posted on 03/24/2010 7:02:27 PM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

Why settle for $5K? Make the b*stards pay up.


2 posted on 03/24/2010 7:07:35 PM PDT by Tax Government (Conservatives are blue, Democrats are red. Take back our color.)
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To: Man50D

Hmmm...Maybe Christians should start calling CAIR or the ACLU. /sarcasm

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2466693/posts

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Las Vegas: Muslim men Complain About Being Questioned after praying in a parking lot
(LAS VEGAS NOW.com, March 5, 2010) via JIHAD WATCH.org ^ | March 8, 2010 | n/a
Posted on March 8, 2010 2:55:27 PM PST by Cindy

SNIPPET: “LAS VEGAS - Henderson Police are investigating some of their own officers regarding a complaint filed by a group of Muslim men who stopped to pray in a parking lot.

The incident happened in December. The Muslim men were passing through Las Vegas on a road trip. They stopped at a convenience store parking lot in Henderson to perform their sunset prayer. According to documents obtained by 8 News NOW, a concerned citizen called the police, saying seven Middle Eastern males were acting suspiciously by a gray minivan with California license plates. The caller reported several of the men were kissing the ground.

Read the Incident Report”

SNIPPET: “After almost 45 minutes, the Muslim men were on their way. They were not arrested or cited. They are now vowing to fight what they consider an unlawful stop.

Cue the obligatory mainstream media CAIR reference with no hint that CAIR is an unsavory Hamas-linked group that has opposed every anti-jihad effort ever devised by man:

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, has filed a formal complaint with the Henderson Police Department.”

(Excerpt) Read more at jihadwatch.org ...


3 posted on 03/24/2010 7:10:54 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Man50D

I had a feeling it was “praying near homosexuals,” rather than “praying in the park,” that got the gentleman arrested. Sure enough ... bless his heart, maybe he even suggested one should repent.


4 posted on 03/24/2010 7:12:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's a jungle out there, kiddies. Have a very fruitful day.)
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To: Man50D
Moyer then arrested the seven and reported it was because of concern that the homosexual festival participants might react with hostility to the Christians.

I can't quite get my head around this.

Peaceful people breaking no law are arrested because someone ELSE might make trouble?

OH, wait - they were CHRISTIANS!

Oh, okay then....

I swear, I'm going to get even further back into the woods. I can totally understand why people, over the ages, went off to live in a cave far from 'society.'

5 posted on 03/24/2010 7:13:00 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: Man50D

But the Wiccan’s pray publicly, in groups. This guy aught to sue.


6 posted on 03/24/2010 7:14:36 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: maine-iac7
Peaceful people breaking no law are arrested because someone ELSE might make trouble?

It's like the dustup with Ann Coulter in Canada: she couldn't speak because the people who hate her were violent.

7 posted on 03/24/2010 7:15:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (It's a jungle out there, kiddies. Have a very fruitful day.)
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To: maine-iac7

Guy treated like he was saying fighting words to incite a breach of the peace.


8 posted on 03/24/2010 7:15:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: maine-iac7

Be prepared....it’s coming.


9 posted on 03/24/2010 7:16:50 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enough!)
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To: Cindy

FYI.....

http://www.startribune.com/local/89028392.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUl


10 posted on 03/24/2010 7:17:10 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enough!)
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To: Man50D

What amazes me is that they have money for this type of crap. So what, everybody avoid this town for fear they jail you for something like this. If I was mayor, I would suggest we lay off court personnel and police officers if we have time and money for this type of prosecution. Amazing.


11 posted on 03/24/2010 7:19:35 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: Beowulf9
But the Wiccan’s pray publicly, in groups.

I have the feeling if they had rolled out prayer rugs and faced Mecca no one would have said a word.

12 posted on 03/24/2010 7:21:24 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Beowulf9

This Wiccan may have taken her celebration too far:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1480289.shtml?cat=504


13 posted on 03/24/2010 7:21:54 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh golly - if he had brought a prayer rug with him, everything would have just been fine.


14 posted on 03/24/2010 7:23:53 PM PDT by oldtimer
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To: Man50D

But it’s different if MUSLIMS pray in public:

Muslim group says police detained 7 praying men

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_henderson_police_muslims

The nation’s largest Muslim advocacy organization filed a complaint with police in a Las Vegas suburb, saying seven Muslim men from southern California were detained and told they were acting suspiciously while praying in a shopping center parking lot.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations said Friday it filed the complaint this week against the Henderson Police Department because it did not understand what was suspicious about the men.

“Our main concern is the police department looking at praying and the way they looked as probable cause for investigating those men,” said CAIR spokeswoman Munira Syeda. “They did nothing illegal.”

Two police cars arrived as the men returned to their car and they were held for 40 minutes while three officers questioned them, checked their backgrounds and searched their car, Syeda said.


15 posted on 03/24/2010 7:25:53 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: Tax-chick
It's like the dustup with Ann Coulter in Canada: she couldn't speak because the people who hate her were violent.

That crossed my mind too. Canada is far worse then we - (ahead of us a bit) on prosecuting for speech that a muzzie or liberal might be offended by.

It's becoming a very unfriendly world again for decent people. on the edge of anarchy...

16 posted on 03/24/2010 7:26:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: maine-iac7

Feed them to the lions!


17 posted on 03/24/2010 7:40:24 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: ican'tbelieveit

“This Wiccan may have taken her celebration too far:

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1480289.shtml?cat=504";

A celebration of spring! Good thing she had her beltane knife with her, and how is it she convinced him to disrobe after she already stabbed him?


18 posted on 03/24/2010 7:41:03 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: bamahead; little jeremiah

This is just obscene. Big Bossy Government is everywhere and even local governments are getting into the act.


19 posted on 03/24/2010 8:04:05 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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Everyone should check the link and read the whole story. Raven and six others went to a "gay pride" festival held by the city which was open to everyone, and prayed in the park. I am sick at heart and angry. It's okay - in fact, fostered and promoted by the city - to flaunt the most despicable, dangerous, depraved homosexual behavior in public, but illegal to pray quietly in the presence of debauchery.

How can this government continue?

20 posted on 03/24/2010 8:13:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Man50D

May God judge this nation as it deserves.

Amen.

:-)


21 posted on 03/24/2010 8:17:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (What is a slave, but someone robbed of his labor to sustain the idle?)
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To: WKB; tutstar; greyfoxx39; narses; Salvation; Vision

ping


22 posted on 03/24/2010 8:22:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem; The Mayor

NY ping


23 posted on 03/24/2010 8:23:19 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: little jeremiah

Welcome to the U.S.S.A.


24 posted on 03/24/2010 8:24:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: bamahead

ping


25 posted on 03/24/2010 8:24:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Man50D
i don’t think he got arrested for praying in the park. i think he got arrested for trying to disrupt a lawful assembly in the park. if he wanted to just pray, he could have done it in another area of the park. Im not saying i agree with the gay event, i’m just calling it like i see it.
26 posted on 03/24/2010 8:25:31 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: maine-iac7

Yeah, and if a Christian group were in the park and gays crashed it, the reaction of the police to a call expressing concern from the Christians would be???????


27 posted on 03/24/2010 8:26:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: paul51

How is praying disrupting a lawful assembly?

That’s a pretty weak argument.


28 posted on 03/24/2010 8:27:37 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

It’s just going to get worse, that’s the scarey part. This is just the beginning of the worse stuff.


29 posted on 03/24/2010 8:28:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: paul51

Did you read the whole WND article? Raven and the others were on a little knoll separate from the homosexual debauchery. They weren’t even next to them. They still got arrested because the perverts might have gotten hostile to them.

The cops even said they weren’t disrupting the debaucery, just that somse of the perverts might have perceived the Christians praying and gotten hostile.

Read the darn article!


30 posted on 03/24/2010 8:30:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

Think Sodom and Gomorrah.

It’s getting to the point where I really think that this country deserves what it gets.


31 posted on 03/24/2010 8:31:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: little jeremiah

Great Post! Thanks for the Ping!


32 posted on 03/24/2010 8:32:16 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: little jeremiah

The Christians “made their way to an area in front of the stage and began to pray silently while lying prostrate in the grass.


33 posted on 03/24/2010 8:34:08 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: little jeremiah

>> How can this government continue?

Rush had audio clips of a Brit on his program yesterday. The Brit mention how the continuance of Western Christianity is at the mercy of the U.S.

It is clear the Left wishes to destroy the influence of Christianity.


34 posted on 03/24/2010 8:34:59 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: metmom

it’s not the praying that got him arrested. it is where and how he chose to do it


35 posted on 03/24/2010 8:35:02 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: little jeremiah
"There was plenty of room in the park. No one was being turned away. They walked in silence. Neither the defendant nor anyone from the group bumped into anyone as they entered and they did not force others out of the way," ADF said.

They walked to a grassy area near the front, kneeled or laid down, and prayed.

They even prayed silently. They never said a word.

Yes, they were praying, but the people who saw them only ASSUMED that they were praying since they didn't say anything. They were arrested on an assumption, not any real, solid, evidence.

The other thing is, the police could have simply escorted them out of the park. They didn't need to arrest them and they didn't need to keep the guy in jail for nine days.

36 posted on 03/24/2010 8:36:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: paul51

Silently.

How is that disrupting?

It’s a public place and was open to all. Did everyone there have to have an ID proving that they were a homosexual?

Public park - they were allowed there. They were silent - not disrupting.

And then why the heck is a city government allowing such depravity in a public park anyway???


37 posted on 03/24/2010 8:37:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: paul51

They went and laid face down on the grass. They were lucky they didn’t get assaulted.

But they were arrested on the assumption that they were praying, as they didn’t say a word.

There was no justification for arresting them and holding him for nine days.


38 posted on 03/24/2010 8:37:52 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tax Government

If you don’t make the city politicians hurt with a large award, they’ll just keep doing it again and again.


39 posted on 03/24/2010 8:38:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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Here it is.

Debauchery and perversion, promoted by the city - FINE!!!

Silent prayer - BAD!!! ILLEGAL!


40 posted on 03/24/2010 8:38:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Man50D; metmom

How sick is this.... Elmira another city of evil in NY.


41 posted on 03/24/2010 8:41:22 PM PDT by The Mayor (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!)
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To: little jeremiah

A public park that his tax money is no doubt funding.

But by gosh, don’t offend the homosexuals when you’re in there.

I’d like to know if the police would make such an effort at keeping the gays away from a Christian event in the park.

If those Christians or their lawyers were worth their salt, they’d set up a Christian event and call the police when the gays showed up and see what happens, and deal with the hypocrisy then.


42 posted on 03/24/2010 8:41:43 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: The Mayor

Ithaca overflow?


43 posted on 03/24/2010 8:42:42 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: paul51

They didn’t need to arrest him at all.

There was no excuse for it.


44 posted on 03/24/2010 8:43:21 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Man50D

NOT Constitutional!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


45 posted on 03/24/2010 8:46:35 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: metmom

Ya, could be... This really irritates me beyond words.


46 posted on 03/24/2010 8:48:42 PM PDT by The Mayor (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!)
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To: Man50D

His mistake was in not facing Mecca


47 posted on 03/24/2010 8:49:39 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: metmom

Maybe a Christian event offering counseling for homosexuals that want out of the “gay” life, with booths from various organizations that help homosexuals, and former homosexuals testifying how they were saved from homosexuality.

Then see what happens when the homosexuals turn up, would they disrupt? And what would the cops do when they disrupt, as disrupt they would?

Of course, the city wouldn’t allow such a gathering.

When governments promote and protect evil and arrest those who are innocent and doing good - bad times are at hand.


48 posted on 03/24/2010 8:52:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Psalm 144
"May God judge this nation as it deserves."

YIKES!!! Heaven forbid. Are you calling for our destruction?

May God have mercy on this nation and change our hearts to repentance.

49 posted on 03/24/2010 8:56:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Man50D

But yet, Fred Phelps can make a disturbance of himself, intentionally, at a fallen soldiers funeral, and no one seems to say boo about it. These are truly bizarre times we live in....


50 posted on 03/24/2010 9:01:26 PM PDT by csense
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