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ObamaCare Will Effectively Bar New Physician-Owned Hospitals
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 3/24/2010 | David Hogberg

Posted on 03/25/2010 6:42:15 AM PDT by Slyscribe

There are currently 60 to 65 physician-owned hospitals under construction. Those that aren't finished and don't have a Medicare provider number by Aug. 1 (Dec. 31 if the reconciliation bill passes) will probably never open their doors. Without a provider number, such hospitals can't treat Medicare patients, which are usually essential to financial survival.

The feud over physician-owned hospitals has been boiling for many years. The American Hospital Association, along with key lawmakers such as Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., have made numerous efforts to curtail physician-owned hospitals. In 2003, Grassley won a temporary ban on new construction of these hospitals in the Medicare prescription drug bill.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: donttalkcost; healthcare; hospitals; obama; obamacarecost; physician

1 posted on 03/25/2010 6:42:15 AM PDT by Slyscribe
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To: Slyscribe

So one of the immediate results of MengeleCare is fewer hospitals. To go along with the vastly increased number of new patients.


2 posted on 03/25/2010 6:44:24 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Slyscribe

60-65 “under construction”!? That would equal thousands of unemployed if construction is ended. Which, I would imagine, is the case.


3 posted on 03/25/2010 6:44:26 AM PDT by albie
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To: Slyscribe

What a mess this idiot has gotten us into.


4 posted on 03/25/2010 6:45:16 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: Slyscribe

Part of the plan.

The fewer the resources, the easier they are to allocate (and deny).


5 posted on 03/25/2010 6:45:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Slyscribe

fewer hospitals. fewer specialists. long waits for simple tests.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 6:46:46 AM PDT by GeronL (All politicians are POS. Some are just piled higher and smell worse.)
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To: Slyscribe

can they make it as hospitals for those who opt out of govt control?


7 posted on 03/25/2010 6:46:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: Slyscribe
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8 posted on 03/25/2010 6:47:30 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Slyscribe

It also bans hospital expansion without approval of the gov’t.

So tell me again how this is to cover tens of millions more...without culling?


9 posted on 03/25/2010 6:48:46 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: Slyscribe

Why would a republican (Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa) sign on to this???


10 posted on 03/25/2010 6:50:27 AM PDT by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: Slyscribe

Moslems are not bound by ObamaCARE (naturally).

So presumably, Islamic hospitals with immigrant physicians
would be not only OK, but approved a priori.


11 posted on 03/25/2010 6:53:14 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: azishot

Ha, ha, you’re kidding, right? It’s called campaign cash from the American Hospital Assocition. Of course, they will call it something else, but this is designed to limit competition.

And it is one more demonstration of how most Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats. It’s all about money and power.


12 posted on 03/25/2010 6:55:41 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: azishot

yeah! What you said.

Why would anyone consider it a bad thing for doctors to own a hospital?


13 posted on 03/25/2010 6:58:15 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Slyscribe
Free country or government controlled? obama care is a man-caused disaster. They talk about heath care as a right, but they are making it a government possession.

Why can't physicians or anyone else open a hospital just like anyone else creating a business? They aren't denying patients. If the government program was so wonderful, why would the physicians not want it. Sounds like the government should fix itself rather than force the physicians to accept it. Bad medicine.

We need good health care. Why are we letting the government destroy it while bankrupting us? They said this reform was urgent, but it's the taxes that are kicking in, not the health care.

All they've been doing since they took power with Reid, Pelosi and now obama is spend tax money, rack up the charges on the next generation's credit cards and take over things like car companies, muck up the credit and banking industries setting them up to fail and are now doing the same thing to the health insurance business. And who is cheering them on?

14 posted on 03/25/2010 7:00:44 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Slyscribe

Snips:

“There is plenty of research that physician-owned specialty hospitals cherry-pick,” said Pryga. “They send the lucrative patients to their own facilities and the others to the community hospitals.”

Note: Unlike Michelle Obama, who kicked the poor and community out of U of C hospitals to ‘health centers’ with standard hours and no emergency rooms... hey, it’s all about preventative care. You get away with that in sanctuary cities, with about other ones?

“Anyone who feels like we are cherry-picking should come and see us at work,” Dietz said. “We do everything from minor surgery to complex spine reconstruction. The only reason we send a patient to another hospital is if their insurance won’t come to our hospital, if the patient wants it that way, or if his primary-care physician prefers another hospital.”

The AHA says physician-owned hospitals cause other financial hardships for community hospitals.

“Hospitals can make additional expenses to rebuild a service (that competes with the physician-owned hospital),” said Pryga. “They may have to cut back on other services to do that. Also, most physician hospitals don’t have emergency rooms and so don’t have a point of entry for the uninsured and Medicaid patients.”

(see note above)

Sandvig said, “That’s been the rhetoric for nine years and the existing hospitals are not going out of business. Most are doing just fine.”

*A 2006 General Accountability Office study found “little evidence to suggest that general hospitals made substantially more or fewer changes or different types of changes if some of their competition came from a specialty hospital.”

(Bingo)

But, says Dr. Hooman Sedighi, a physician at the Center, “We are working at capacity, and if we want to add to capacity, this bill pretty much precludes that. The other thing is the potential job loss — the ones that are under construction or expanding, they would have been hiring additional staff and personnel.”

Physicians who are not hospital owners had differing opinions on this legislation.

“The country is going to move in the direction of fewer hospital beds,” said Dr. Daniel Fass, a radiation oncologist. “I think there needs to be a mechanism to rein that in. Efficient care is best delivered, if possible, in the outpatient setting.”

(hello waiting lists)

Dr. Michael Hall, a family practitioner, said, “I personally don’t see anything wrong with a physician owning a hospital. The costs, on average, are a lot less than what you get in a regular hospital. They tend to get you in and out quick.”


I yield to the medical professionals on this thread.


15 posted on 03/25/2010 7:02:10 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: azishot
Why would a republican (Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa) sign on to this???

Having a R after his name doesn't exempt him from being a MORON!!

16 posted on 03/25/2010 7:02:50 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: Slyscribe

>> Medicare patients... are usually essential to financial survival.

That was then. This is now.

Look for new business models that don’t rely on Medicare patients, for the lucky minority that can afford to pay for it.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 7:03:55 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Bean Counter

18 posted on 03/25/2010 7:04:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Slyscribe

Physician owned hospitals, because their owners reputations are on line locally, in their communities, demonstrate better outcomes-something our fascist masters can’t allow...

http://www.glgroup.com/News/Quality-of-physician-owned-hospitals-is-better-than-general-hospitals-20677.html


19 posted on 03/25/2010 7:04:39 AM PDT by mo
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To: Pining_4_TX

Goes to show how $$$ can corrupt anyone. (Taking off my rose-colored glasses.)


20 posted on 03/25/2010 7:09:19 AM PDT by azishot (J.D. Hayworth...U.S. Senator FOR Arizona...http://www.jdforsenate.com/)
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To: Slyscribe

Will there be American doctor-owned hospitals in Costa Rica?


21 posted on 03/25/2010 7:21:54 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Slyscribe


Without a provider number, such hospitals can’t treat Medicare patients,
which are usually essential to financial survival.

Maybe I’m missing some detail...but aren’t some clinics and pharmacies
declining new Medicare patients and/or ending service for Medicare patients?

The two examples I seem to recall are the Mayo Clinic branch in
Arizona ending service to Medicare (Medicare Advantage?) patients,
and Walgreens in Washington State ending service to customers on Medicare.

To the point, a fair number of physicians and drugstores are ending
service to Medicare patient due to the low/modest compensation from
the US guvmint.

I may have mis-remembered some details...posters feel free to point
out errors in my recollection.....


22 posted on 03/25/2010 7:39:43 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Slyscribe; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...
The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

23 posted on 03/25/2010 7:47:35 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Dallas59

Don’t blame this IDIOT, which he certainly is. America has had many presidents who proposed IDIOTIC ideas that were torpedoed by a Congress who put the United States of America over and above party.
The revered FDR tried to pack the court and was rebuffed for example.
This “congress” selling their fellow citizens out for a piece of silver is the root of this disaster. They are PROUD to be at the root of this disaster.
The IDIOT is an IDIOT, but he could NOT have done this without lots and lots of accomplices.


24 posted on 03/25/2010 7:48:15 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: Slyscribe

A very good alternative is to build hospitals in “enclaves”, just over the border in Mexico. Somewhat like a “duty free zone”, such hospitals would be in a fenced hospital district, not open to the general public.

Built by US developers, to US standards, but in the legal environment of Mexico. They accept cash only, no insurance or government payments, but at much lower cost. Mexico has a very large number of English speaking care workers, but most physicians and surgeons would be Americans.

Of course, the emphasis would be on the more expensive procedures and services offered in the US. Things like long term and hospice care, expensive and elective surgeries and pharmaceuticals, and services denied by Obamacare.


25 posted on 03/25/2010 7:50:46 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

1965 x1000


26 posted on 03/25/2010 7:51:06 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: Nachum

ping


27 posted on 03/25/2010 12:10:50 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Slyscribe; All

This is gonna be fun!

We’ll be back to overly-medicated Medicine Men shaking a chicken bone over our heads and bleeding via leeches before 2012, LOL!

*SMIRK*

(Note to self: Save all chicken bones and start raising leeches...cash in!)


28 posted on 03/25/2010 4:23:52 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with Chocolate.)
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