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Measure to legalize marijuana will be on California's November ballot (Dude)
Los Angeles Times ^ | March 24, 2010

Posted on 03/25/2010 3:21:41 PM PDT by Zakeet

Supporters of the initiative collected well more than the 433,971 signatures needed for it to go before voters in the fall, again putting the state at the forefront of the nation's drug debate.

An initiative to legalize marijuana and allow it to be sold and taxed will appear on the November ballot, state election officials announced Wednesday, triggering what will probably be a much-watched campaign that once again puts California on the forefront of the nation's debate over whether to soften drug laws.

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With polls showing that a slim majority of voters support legalization, the legalization campaign will be trying to appeal to a slice of undecided voters who are mostly mothers. "It's always easier for people to say no than to say yes for an initiative," said Mark Baldassare, the pollster for the Public Policy Institute of California.

[Oakland marijuana entrepreneur] Lee hopes to raise as much as $20 million. He will probably be able to tap a handful of wealthy advocates who have supported efforts to relax drug laws, including multibillionaire investor George Soros and George Zimmer, founder of the Men's Wearhouse. Zimmer has donated at least $20,000.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2010election; ballotinitiative; bongbrigade; ca2010; california; marijuana; potheads; weed
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Like man, like we need something to like help us deal with Nazi Pelosi, Nostrils Waxman, Babs Boxhead, Diane Finestine, Moonbeam Brown, Willy Brown, Ahnode what's his name, Hollyweird, and all them other Libtards. Dude.

1 posted on 03/25/2010 3:21:41 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

“It’s always easier for people to say no than to say yes for an initiative...”

Bull. It’s the reverse.


2 posted on 03/25/2010 3:23:27 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Zakeet

England kept China whacked out on opium, guess it is out turn.


3 posted on 03/25/2010 3:26:32 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Zakeet

If deficits, taxes, regulations and the resulting lousy economic conditions aren’t enough drive decent people from California, increasing the number of losers high on pot and other drugs will.


4 posted on 03/25/2010 3:26:45 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Brilliant

Why use it to raise taxes? Besides, people are not looking to having increased income taxes.


5 posted on 03/25/2010 3:29:00 PM PDT by discocrico
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To: Zakeet

Making Marijuana and other drugs legal does have some benefits:

>> Less burglaries and robberies committed by addicts who can not afford the high street prices of illegal pot

>> Fewer cops needed to arrest pot smokers

>> Fewer jails needed to house arrested pot smokers

>> Fewer judges needed to preside over court trials

>> Fewer bailiffs needed in court trials

>> Fewer defense lawyers needed and subsidized by tax payers

>> Fewer court buildings to try pot smokers

>> Fewer criminal gangs making profits on selling pot

>> Bring in additional tax revenues on legal sale of pot

>> Pot is illegal now, and it does not stop any one from obtaining it

>> Alcohol was prohibited during great depression and it made Al Capone very very rich selling bootleg booze.


6 posted on 03/25/2010 3:30:33 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: Ol' Sparky

How can the Feds stop them? Let me guess, some twisted reading of the “interstate commerce clause.”

There is a bright side to what is going on now. In the next few years we will have the most educated populous ever in regards to our rights, our real rights as given to us by God, not the right to this and that and cable and cell phones.

Whether everyone used this knowledge for good is to be seen but I think it will work out for the better in the end as we will be able to point out the truth the people and point out the lying liars and the lies they are telling.


7 posted on 03/25/2010 3:31:56 PM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: Zakeet

Legalize it and solve a ton of problems...Besides I would rather encounter a stoner in traffic than a drunk..any day...


8 posted on 03/25/2010 3:32:29 PM PDT by devane617 (VOTE THEM OUT! ALL OF THEM!)
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To: ajay_kumar

Just so you don’t make any hasty decisions, I personally
have never smoked pot and don’t intend to do it in future.
Heck, I abhor smoking of all types. It makes me nauseous.


9 posted on 03/25/2010 3:33:13 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Think about this....you pass this and the month that it’s approved...you turn the cops loose with on-the-spot ‘high’ tests for drivers. German cops do this and on a Friday night after 10PM, they typically can get forty tickets easily. Maybe this is a great way to make more income via traffic tickets. If you think about it...they will allow you to smoke the stuff....but if you are driving under the influence....you will be heavily fined. Folks don’t grasp this part of the deal.


10 posted on 03/25/2010 3:35:13 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: ajay_kumar
Making Marijuana and other drugs legal does have some benefits

It's STUPID idea that will increase the number of losers smoking pot, increase the number of potheads that negligently kill and harm others, increase all drug usage, drug trafficking and a crime.

Liberaltarians are in many as stupid as liberals.

11 posted on 03/25/2010 3:37:58 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: discocrico
Why use it to raise taxes? Besides, people are not looking to having increased income taxes.

It's not an income tax, it's a tax on dope smokers.

An initiative to legalize marijuana and allow it to be sold and taxed will appear on the November ballot

Whether or not one thinks it's a good idea, it certainly is a states' rights issue. There is no provision in the US Constitution for the Federal Gov't to regulate drugs, medicines, vitamin supplements or much of anything that doesn't cross state or federal borders.
Will it pass? Probably, imo. We will see the results.

12 posted on 03/25/2010 3:39:40 PM PDT by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Give 'em hell, Sarah!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

You are stupid in making that assumption. Just do a little home work and study the crime patterns in countries that have made pot legal and you will find there is no increase in crime.

Besides, can you name me ONE pot addict who can not obtain it on the street illegally?


13 posted on 03/25/2010 3:39:49 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: devane617
Legalize it and solve a ton of problems.

No, creates a lot of problems -- more losers getting high and harming others, more drug trafficking and usage as marijuana is a gateway drug and more crime due to the increased crime. That is precisely what has happened when it was been legalized.

15 posted on 03/25/2010 3:42:30 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: devane617

Forget legalizing this it does nothing for job growth.

Legalize full vegas style CASINO GAMBLING, construction would shot threw the roof, 1000’s of jobs and property values would start going up again. win, win, win, everybody wins.


16 posted on 03/25/2010 3:44:32 PM PDT by bakoj (What doesn't kill me, makes me stronger.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I am still waiting......

Please name ONE pot addict who can not obtain pot illegally on the street.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 3:44:45 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: ajay_kumar
You are stupid in making that assumption.

I'm stating FACTS, not making assumptions. Marijuana use, all drugs usage and drug trafficking all dramatically have increased in the left-wing Netherlands when it was decriminalized there.

It's amazing this sort of stupidity being promoted at a conservative website. This is the sort thing that should be promoted at the Daily Kos by the idiots there.

18 posted on 03/25/2010 3:45:30 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: ajay_kumar
Please name ONE pot addict who can not obtain pot illegally on the street.<

Are you really trying to claim the law doesn't deter? It does. When legalizing something that has been illegal, you increase the amount of that activity.

http://www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/argument/myths.html

Dr. K. F. Gunning, president of the Dutch National Committee on Drug Prevention, cites some revealing statistics about drug abuse and crime. Cannabis use among students increased 250 percent from 1984 to 1992.

19 posted on 03/25/2010 3:50:16 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky
increasing the number of losers high on pot and other drugs will.

Legalizing marijuana will not increase it's use. It's already ridiculously easy to get - easier than beer, since no one is carding kids who buy weed.
20 posted on 03/25/2010 3:51:20 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Zakeet

The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. —G.K. Chesterton


21 posted on 03/25/2010 3:51:27 PM PDT by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: Ol' Sparky

Still waiting for you to NAME ONE POT addict who can not obtain it illegally on the street.

The FACT is you can not name ONE. Because making it illegal does NOT stop it’s sale by criminals.

Learn the most basic fundamentals of economics. If there is
demand for any product at a good price, the supply will materialize, legal or not.

I would much rather prefer there were was no dope in the world. But that is not reality. People like you sit on their high horse and are happy when something you don’t like is made illegal, yet it is being sold right under your nose all around you ILLEGALLY. So who benefits? the CRIMINALS! So in effect you are advancing the cause of criminals.


22 posted on 03/25/2010 3:58:48 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: Zakeet; All

"All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine ..."

23 posted on 03/25/2010 3:58:50 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Legalizing marijuana will not increase it's use.

That is one dumbest comments I have read here. The law deters acts. The tougher the law, the more deterrent.

Countries and states that have decriminalized pot have seen dramatic increase in its usage:

http://www.sarnia.com/GROUPS/ANTIDRUG/argument/myths.html

Dr. K. F. Gunning, president of the Dutch National Committee on Drug Prevention, cites some revealing statistics about drug abuse and crime. Cannabis use among students increased 250 percent from 1984 to 1992.

Decriminalizing marijuana in Alaska and Oregon in the 1970s resulted in the doubling of use.

California decriminalized marijuana in 1976, and, within the first six months, arrests for driving under the influence of drugs rose 46 percent for adults and 71.4 percent for juveniles.

24 posted on 03/25/2010 4:01:25 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Zakeet

Dave’s not here.


25 posted on 03/25/2010 4:03:28 PM PDT by highimpact (Abortion - [n]: human sacrifice at the altar of convenience.)
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To: Zakeet

Looks like a Che T shirt he is wearing, no less...


26 posted on 03/25/2010 4:04:21 PM PDT by Mister Muggles (.Seattle: A city full of Liberal men with vaginas.)
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To: Zakeet

27 posted on 03/25/2010 4:06:38 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Yep. I recall that pot was sold in my high school hallway fairly openly. But to buy alcohol and cigs, one had go to the store and get carded more often than not.

I’d say everyone I knew in highschool smoked before they ever got drunk.

A high-demand market forced underground doesn’t care about kids...


28 posted on 03/25/2010 4:11:39 PM PDT by varyouga (2 natural disasters, zerO action. Obama doesn't care about white people!)
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To: ajay_kumar

Your arguments appear to be opinions. Any facts?


29 posted on 03/25/2010 4:14:36 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

The stupidity you are observing is the Libertarian wing.

Legalize anything, and people will do more of it.

It doesn’t matter what it is.

Legalize pot, and more people will smoke it. If the Libertarians think that is a good thing, then I guess they’ll vote for it.

If alcohol, for that matter, were illegal, less people would drink. I wouldn’t drink, if it were illegal.

If smoking tobacco were illegal, fewer people would smoke. No question.

There are MANY people who have a sense of responsibility about the law, and will simply avoid doing illegal things.

There are many more who avoid breaking the law because they don’t want to deal with the repercussion.

I personally will be voting against it. I don’t think pot does one good thing for one person, and does active harm in many. That’s my observation. We don’t live in a vacuum, and our nation does not need yet more stoners.

But then again I am a conservative, not a Libertarian. There is a big difference.


30 posted on 03/25/2010 4:18:52 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: ajay_kumar

Making anything illegal does not stop it.

Making shoplifting illegal doesn’t make it stop. It just makes it harder.

Making public nudity illegal doesn’t make it stop. It just makes it harder.

It would be much harder for me to get up from this keyboard and go find a pot dealer than for me to go literally around the corner and buy a beer. I would not know where to begin to buy pot. Beer is available at the corner store.

Of course making pot illegal makes it harder to get, duh.

I name myself. I am not a pot addict, but I have zero idea where I could get my hands on some.


31 posted on 03/25/2010 4:21:14 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
It's amazing this sort of stupidity being promoted at a conservative website. This is the sort thing that should be promoted at the Daily Kos by the idiots there.

It demonstrates that your opinion is quickly becoming the minority one on both sides of the political spectrum.

32 posted on 03/25/2010 4:22:26 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: ajay_kumar

How about Obama?


33 posted on 03/25/2010 4:22:41 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: ARepublicanForAllReasons
Will it pass? Probably, imo.

Do you really think so? I have my doubts, altho I gotta admit that I would LOVE to see marijuana re-legalized in CA & throughout the country. But I'm not sure that this will be the election in which it happens.

I hope my prediction is dear wrong.

34 posted on 03/25/2010 4:43:45 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: ajay_kumar

Read the actual proposition/measure...it has stupid restrictions on the amount you can possess and limits growing to a small plot. I want to make some money on the side farming the stuff and selling it to the pot-heads! If I want to do 3 acres, so be it!
Also, now that we are quickly headed further into socialized medicine...I don’t want to pay for pot-heads emphysema and bullous lung disease.


35 posted on 03/25/2010 4:48:40 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Ol' Sparky
That is one dumbest comments I have read here. The law deters acts.

Some laws deter acts. Others are routinely ignored, until they are repealed. California decriminalized marijuana possession in 1975 precisely because skyrocketing usage had made the existing marijuana laws unenforceable. I'll refrain from resorting to your name-calling, but using such examples to try to support your argument isn't exactly bright. Marijuana usage rose rapidly throughout the West during the '70s and '80s regardless of levels of enforcement.

California decriminalized marijuana in 1976, and, within the first six months, arrests for driving under the influence of drugs rose 46 percent for adults and 71.4 percent for juveniles.

Driving under the influence of "drugs"? What percentage of these arrests involved marijuana? What happened in the next six months?
36 posted on 03/25/2010 4:50:34 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Ol' Sparky

No, creates a lot of problems — more losers getting high and harming others, more drug trafficking and usage as marijuana is a gateway drug

Wrong! It is pharmaco;ogically not a gateway drug. “wow, man, I’m laid back from that doobie—oh, wait a minute, Let’s do some coke to rev up!” You sound like a DEA agent. It’s only gateway in the sense that it is usually in the same place in the black market.


37 posted on 03/25/2010 4:50:54 PM PDT by GeezerConservative
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To: ajay_kumar

Please name ONE pot addict who can not obtain pot illegally on the street.

There are no “pot addicts,” just as there has been not one confirmed death due to the actual smoking of it.


38 posted on 03/25/2010 4:53:38 PM PDT by GeezerConservative
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To: ajay_kumar
Alcohol was prohibited during great depression and it made Al Capone very very rich selling bootleg booze.

It was the PROGRESSIVES, not the conservatives, that we can thank for creating our nation's first major anti-drug laws @ the federal level. The Harrison Narcotics Act in 1906 & the Marihuama Tax Act of 1937, (if I remember correctly) for example...not to mention the 18th Amendment.

Progressives think they know how to control or improve human nature & think the government is the best method for doing so. Call me strange if you will, but I have always thought that the best way to do that was for a person to get down on their knees in prayer, but who am I to say???

39 posted on 03/25/2010 4:58:36 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
The latest Rasmussen survey (Nov. 2009) has the legalization measure ahead in CA, with 49% in favor and 38% opposed. Surveys done in May, July, and November 2009 show that support has risen from 45% to 47% to 49%, while opposition has declined from 46% to 42% to 38%. That's a 12 point shift in 6 months.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/california/toplines/toplines_california_budget_crisis_may_12_2009

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_state_surveys/california/49_in_california_favor_legalizing_taxing_pot

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Suppose CA votes to legalize. Do you support the State's prerogative under the Tenth Amendment to do so without fedgov interference? Or, should fedgov shut it down under authority of the Commerce Clause?

40 posted on 03/25/2010 4:58:44 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: GeezerConservative

You’re right. NO ONE has ever been under the influence of pot and injured themselves or driven themselves into a tree. Just like second hand smoke. Not ONE casse of harm has ever been proven. That’s why smoking is illegal in California. Pot is a magical drug that has no negative side effects, unlike every other drug in existence.


41 posted on 03/25/2010 5:01:09 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Read post #39, please.


42 posted on 03/25/2010 5:05:35 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Regardless of whether you think it's "stupid" or not, you need to remember that we live in a constitutional federal republic, & that the 10th Amendment recognizes the fact that this issue should be left to the states * to the People. We musn't forget the 9th Amendment, either.
43 posted on 03/25/2010 5:11:32 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: ajay_kumar

Pot isn’t physically addictive. I just thought you might want to know. :-)


44 posted on 03/25/2010 5:15:13 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Yeah, and it makes white women have sex with negro jazz musicians!


45 posted on 03/25/2010 5:15:46 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Ol' Sparky
It is obvious you favor the idea that gov’t can tell you what you may consume, & what you may not. So, by extension, you favor the nanny state.

It seems to me YOU would be right at home at Daily Kos. They too want to regulate every aspect of our lives.

If you expect others to respect the way you live, then you must respect the way they live. What others do in private is THEIR business, not yours or mine.

Invading peoples homes, destroying & confiscating their property, terrorizing their family, & jailing them for benign, private behavior are NOT hallmarks of a free society, but rather that of a fascist, nanny state. This is what YOU support!

Drug ABUSE is not a criminal problem, it is a health problem. Prison solves few health problems. Casual & responsible recreational drug use harms no one, as is witnessed by the millions of people who take a drink (alcohol IS a drug, you know) or pop a prescription pill daily, purely for pleasure.

Finally, I leave you with words from the Bible, King James version, Genesis 29-31:

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

God thinks this is very good, yet you & our gov't think differently! Who is wrong?

46 posted on 03/25/2010 5:15:49 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Zakeet

Can we kick CA out of the country please? PLEASE?!!?


47 posted on 03/25/2010 5:17:35 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Persevero

Go to your nearest high school and ask around.
Or go to a tavern and ask around.

But the main problem with making anything illegal is..
.....YOU ARE MAKING THE CRIMINAL GANGS RICH.....

Get it?


48 posted on 03/25/2010 5:17:56 PM PDT by ajay_kumar (Need more Republicans of all stripes in congress to stop Obama's socialist agenda)
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To: Ol' Sparky
No, creates a lot of problems -- more losers getting high and harming others, more drug trafficking and usage as marijuana is a gateway drug and more crime due to the increased crime. That is precisely what has happened when it was been legalized.

Garbage. Amsterdam had a murder rate of about 3.6/100,000 in 2007.¹ San Jose, one of the safest cities in the US with a population over 500,000, had a murder rate of 3.5 in 2007². Overall, the murder rate in the US is nearly 4X the Dutch rate.³

¹http://www.expatica.com/nl/articles/news/Record-low-murder-rate-once-again.html
²http://city-data.com
³http:/nationmaster.com

49 posted on 03/25/2010 5:18:01 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Mister Da

Go eat some poison ivy if the bible says it’s ok to eat anything.


50 posted on 03/25/2010 5:18:35 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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