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Health Care Repeal Wars Fracturing GOP Primary Candidates
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ^ | March 26, 2010, 9:28AM | Christina Bellantoni

Posted on 03/26/2010 7:50:08 AM PDT by Maelstorm

For Republican candidates across the country, the movement du'jour seems to be a pledge to repeal health care reform if elected. Republicans are rushing to co-sponsor and promote efforts to repeal the bill on Capitol Hill. But not everyone is biting, exposing another fissure between the GOP's right and far-right.

The latest GOPers caught in the mix are in Delaware -- with candidate Christine O'Donnell (R-DE) challenging Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE) to sign on to repeal plans. Castle, like every single Congressional Republican, opposed the legislation. But he said that repealing "is not realistic."

Similar spats have sparked across the country with repeal-happy candidates like Marco Rubio (R-FL) accusing Gov. Charlie Crist (R-FL) of not taking a harsh enough stand. According to the Conservative Club for Growth, which is tracking "Repeal It" pledge-takers, 226 candidates across the country have signed on.

Rubio has been going after Crist to join him as a Repeal It pledge-taker. Even though Crist says he would support rolling back the legislation and his attorney general's lawsuit claiming the bill is unconstitutional, he's not signing. The intra-party warfare smacks of the anti-tax pledge that Grover Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform has been demanding that Republicans sign for years.

As we've reported, the Republicans don't seem settled on their message given the new political landscape of health care reform growing more popular now that its law and facing a newly energized Democratic party.

The splits are seeming to pop up in some of the bluer states where Democrats have an advantage. In Delaware Castle said it doesn't make sense to try and repeal the measure while President Obama remains in charge, since he can veto anything Congress sends him. Castle said it's "not the best use of our efforts."

But according to DelawarePolitics.net, O'Donnell charges that by not signing, Castle is "breaking faith with the people of Delaware and America in refusing to support the conservative-led effort to repeal ObamaCare, a totally disastrous and unconstitutional health bill."

In California, Tom Campbell (R) hasn't signed it, but his Senate primary rivals Carly Fiorina (R) and Chuck DeVore (R) are leading the repeal charge. In the Republican primary race to in Connecticut, longshot Peter Schiff has signed the pledge but Linda McMahon and Rob Simmons have not.

The red states have their splits too. In Indiana, former Sen. Dan Coats hasn't jumped on board, but tea party candidate Marlin Stutzman has. In Utah, Sen. Bob Bennett (R) has a tough caucus challenge from the right. So this week he signed on as a co-sponsor of Sen. Jim DeMint's repeal legislation.

For his part, Obama says Republicans should "go for it," and Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, told reporters this week they will hold GOPers accountable for trying to repeal the bill.

"We are actually pursuing every Republican and want them to say for the record that they're for repeal because being for repeal means taking away rights, taking away benefits," Menendez said in response to a question from TPMDC. "We're happy to battle them on that field."

Additional reporting by Evan McMorris-Santoro and Brian Beutler


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: healthcare; schiff
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What do some of the Republicans not understand? If they won't commit to even trying to repeal why do they deserve to be elected? This is a litmus test worth having.
1 posted on 03/26/2010 7:50:09 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Agree, I am hating the wussies coming out and saying well some of its good, some of its bad. What the hell do you stand for idiot!


2 posted on 03/26/2010 7:51:37 AM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: Maelstorm

Any candidate not willing to fight this Genocide shouldn’t have once ounce of support.


3 posted on 03/26/2010 7:51:41 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: Maelstorm

My congressional candidate wasted no time saying that he would work to repeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Walberg

http://www.walbergforcongress.com/Home.aspx


4 posted on 03/26/2010 7:52:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Agree. These cowards do not deserve to be re-elected. If they had spines from the get-go, Barry Soetero would never have been elected in the first place.


5 posted on 03/26/2010 7:54:57 AM PDT by Commander X (TOTUS...destroying the USA one lie at a time.)
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To: GoCards

I agree and the worse thing is they thing somehow by not being clear about the repeal that it will somehow convince voters to like them more? It is this kind of political hair splitting that has allowed our country to continue down this path. Conservatives always giving up ground to hoards.


6 posted on 03/26/2010 7:55:23 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Confiscation of wealth with out explicit consent is not charity.)
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To: Maelstorm

Sorry but the whole point of this article is to try to create a rift where none exists. The dems are fractured NOT the republicans. The point of primaries is for 2 (or more) hopefuls to present themselves and their ideas to the people. The people vote and winner goes on to the general. This tactic is as old and worn out is every other one the LSM employees. We should know better than to fall for it.

Cindie


7 posted on 03/26/2010 7:56:55 AM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: Maelstorm

Castle had the sense to not vote for the bill but I seem to recall he was a hard sell to not do so.

He liked a lot of it if memory serves....


8 posted on 03/26/2010 7:57:08 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Maelstorm

If it means the those wishing to repeal win the primaries, I don’t see a problem with a fracture.

The last chance to save the Republic is at hand.


9 posted on 03/26/2010 7:57:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: Maelstorm

Will they say the same things when the lord sith passes the amnesty bill and tax and trade?


10 posted on 03/26/2010 7:57:32 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Adder

Castle voted for cap-and-tax. RINO. He may have learned his lesson from the heat he took for that.


11 posted on 03/26/2010 7:59:40 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: gardencatz

There is no fracture but I do agree. If someone can not outright commit to repeal then they are really not the candidate we need. We may end up stuck with them but they should understand that they need to be clear.


12 posted on 03/26/2010 7:59:58 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Confiscation of wealth with out explicit consent is not charity.)
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To: gardencatz

Almost 3 dozen house members voted against the bill. They are spinning their arses off.


13 posted on 03/26/2010 8:00:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: Maelstorm

Repeal Health Care
Repeal The Stimulus (1 trillion a year for ten years)


14 posted on 03/26/2010 8:01:09 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: listenhillary
Almost 3 dozen house Democrat members voted against the bill. They are spinning their arses off.
15 posted on 03/26/2010 8:01:20 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: Evil Slayer

They already voted to defeat the bill. Now we need to keep them in line and run to repeal the bill. RELOAD..we need to RELOAD Congress with prinicipaled conservatives, not a bunch of weasal wording wusses.


16 posted on 03/26/2010 8:01:43 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Maelstorm

Those against repeal are too cowardly to stick their noses out fearing it may lose them a few votes and haven’t a clue about ultimate goal of liberals. Either way, they deserve to be voted out of office and replaced with men/women who stand willing to protect the rights of the American people.


17 posted on 03/26/2010 8:03:18 AM PDT by mort56
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To: gardencatz

You took the words right out of my mouth. Just the talking heads. My message to them....conservatives rock!!!


18 posted on 03/26/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: Maelstorm

Yah, Republicans are really divided and fissured on the question of government health care. But Democrats are united and their voters love the extra taxes and government control over their bodies.

NOT. Total BS and propaganda.


19 posted on 03/26/2010 8:05:24 AM PDT by Woebama (Never, never, never quit)
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To: Maelstorm

This is not a difficult issue. Vote for the ones who promise to repeal. Do not vote for the ones who wimp out. How hard is that??? It actually would make my decision much easier if I were wavering between 2 candidates....


20 posted on 03/26/2010 8:06:20 AM PDT by DrewsMum (Am I the only one that forgets I'm not on FB & tries to "like" freeper comments?)
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To: Maelstorm

These politicians are no better than the congressional sellouts. They see the media spin that the Dems are back and immediately try to match their position to the current propaganda.

There’s no difference guys if you sell your vote for goodies in your district to help you get re-elected or if you sell your conservative support for what you think is the politically expedient route.

NO DIFFERENCE!!!


21 posted on 03/26/2010 8:06:23 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Adder

Dumping on Castle makes no sense. He is in a heavily democrap State, and will vote party line when he needs to.


22 posted on 03/26/2010 8:10:47 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Maelstorm
“epeal-happy candidates like Marco Rubio (R-FL)”

Repeal happy? Listen we're talking about fighting the largest tax increase and socialist takeover in American history. There's nothing happy about this fight. We're hoppin’ mad in fact!

Leave it to this blog which ‘in March 2009 TPM topped TIME Magazine's list of 25 Best Blogs of 2009.’ Need I say more?

Since the TPM folks think so much of themselves and need to ask the practical/impractical question about Repeal - I could care less currently if this is impractical.

It is symbolic of the continued fight and thus practical.

Of course it will take 60 Senators, the House and the WH to repeal. It's going to be a huge fricken’ mess we're cleaning up after the RATS, imho. Then there are all the other messes they've left like ticking economic time bombs for us to clean up so we don't leave our children and grandchildren saddles.

You know what TPM, don't lecture me on practicality. It'll make me angry - and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry...I tend to change into a large Lou Ferrigno looking green man. So please don't try it...;)

23 posted on 03/26/2010 8:11:57 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Nonstatist

“Dumping on Castle makes no sense.”

Dumping? A little competition in the primary is not going to hurt anyone.


24 posted on 03/26/2010 8:12:56 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Maelstorm

“Conservatives always giving up ground to hoards.”

No more.


25 posted on 03/26/2010 8:14:28 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: gardencatz

“Sorry but the whole point of this article is to try to create a rift where none exists. The dems are fractured NOT the republicans.”

This is a blog praised by Time magazine...that’s all we need to know.


26 posted on 03/26/2010 8:15:14 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: listenhillary

“The last chance to save the Republic is at hand.”

I think you are right. If we don’t hold the lines and push back HARD right here, right now. This nation will slide into the European socialist abyss for a generation or longer.


27 posted on 03/26/2010 8:16:52 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Maelstorm
I wouldn't worry too much about the 'war' or 'fracture' in the GOP over this. This smacks of MSM-driven 'turmoil' in the opposition that is more smoke than fire. Look at the names of the GOPer's that are supposedly resisting running on "REPEAL": Castle, Crist, Campbell, McMahon, Simmons, Coats (my money says Coats will run on REPEAL) ...

In the primaries, vote for the REPEAL candidates! For once the Dems have given us good advice: "Obama says Republicans should "go for it," and Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said "We're happy to battle them on that field."

We are too Bob! Game On!

28 posted on 03/26/2010 8:18:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Woebama

“Yah, Republicans are really divided and fissured on the question of government health care. But Democrats are united and their voters love the extra taxes and government control over their bodies.

NOT. Total BS and propaganda.”

Even the RAT polls prove this is a huge pile of bullcrap.


29 posted on 03/26/2010 8:19:39 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: gardencatz

You are so right! I posted at 28 before reading your comment.

30 posted on 03/26/2010 8:20:45 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Maelstorm

MORE MEDIA BIAS.

“right and far-right” is their term for this, but ...

THE MAJORITY OF VOTING AMERICANS SUPPORT REPEAL according to Ras poll.


31 posted on 03/26/2010 8:21:42 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

‘This smacks of MSM-driven ‘turmoil’

I’ll give the MSM turmoil - the bigoted RAT water carrying propagandist morons...;)...oops, they’re journalists, they vigorously argue...bwwwwwaaahahahaha...that’s hilarious. Guess what MSM, you’re dying, ‘cause we’re not listening to your claptrap any longer...:)


32 posted on 03/26/2010 8:22:27 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: gardencatz
"Sorry but the whole point of this article is to try to create a rift where none exists. The dems are fractured NOT the republicans. The point of primaries is for 2 (or more) hopefuls to present themselves and their ideas to the people. The people vote and winner goes on to the general. This tactic is as old and worn out is every other one the LSM employees. We should know better than to fall for it."

Bravo and well said.

Folks ... the LSM is giving us flak. But you are always going to get flak when you are OVER THE TARGET.

They want to sow division on how to respond, but the reality is - not a SINGLE Republican voted for this nor is for this bill, and MANY Republicans at both state and federal level are doing everything they can to roll it back. Support those candidates who are doing the right thing and we WILL prevail.

33 posted on 03/26/2010 8:24:41 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: WOSG

“THE MAJORITY OF VOTING AMERICANS SUPPORT REPEAL according to Ras poll.”

And even according to the RAT CNN poll - 59 - 39 oppose the bill just passed.


34 posted on 03/26/2010 8:25:15 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: SeattleBruce

This is of course why Obama is in campaign mode and the LSM is desperately spinning away like a top... they think with enough media bias they can change those numbers and people will ‘give up’ on the issue.

has the BIAS been as thick as mud or what?


35 posted on 03/26/2010 8:27:49 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Nonstatist

He votes against Republicans all the time.


36 posted on 03/26/2010 8:30:25 AM PDT by rushmom
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To: WOSG

“This is of course why Obama is in campaign mode and the LSM is desperately spinning away like a top... they think with enough media bias they can change those numbers and people will ‘give up’ on the issue.

has the BIAS been as thick as mud or what?”

Yes! But we’re not READING, LISTENING or WATCHING them anymore and it’s driving them nuts...now if we just break out TV and Movie viewing habits as Americans and read more, we’ll solve two or three other concurrent issues that plague us a society.


37 posted on 03/26/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: Maelstorm
Any candidate too cowardly to fight for repeal deserves to be purged - and we should support their primary opponents 100%.

Chuck DeVore for US Senate

Marlin Stutzman for US Senate

38 posted on 03/26/2010 8:40:33 AM PDT by Falcon28 (Allen West - 2012 * For a list of conservative candidates in 2010, see my profile)
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To: Falcon28
Marco Rubio
39 posted on 03/26/2010 8:42:50 AM PDT by Falcon28 (Allen West - 2012 * For a list of conservative candidates in 2010, see my profile)
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To: Maelstorm

Now that healthcare has passed, those are for repeal will be the bad guys.


40 posted on 03/26/2010 8:53:35 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (let the rich eat the rich.)
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To: SeattleBruce
Dumping? A little competition in the primary is not going to hurt anyone.

I guess, but Castle is the only Republican that could win in that state; take my word for it... But don't worry, Castle will vote with the Party in 2013 when we get a new President in and repeal is possible.

41 posted on 03/26/2010 9:03:53 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: SeattleBruce

I certainly havent watched the nightly network news since last century, nor do I pay for a liberal paper.

But a lot in ‘the middle’ do get influenced.


42 posted on 03/26/2010 9:09:44 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Nonstatist

“Castle is the only Republican that could win in that state; take my word for it.”

Correct, so let’s let him win that and focus on other races in contention.


43 posted on 03/26/2010 9:10:42 AM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Maelstorm
What do some of the Republicans not understand?

It is what we don't seem to understand, most of these Party leaders are for this kind of stuff, they just don't want to be caught supporting it. They hide behind the Dems when they are not in power, and the Courts when they are.

44 posted on 03/26/2010 9:12:31 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Nonstatist

Repealing zerocare should be of prime importance.

Already I am hearing of dissembling and humina humina for different quarters of the GOP.

This just can’t be allowed to stand.


45 posted on 03/26/2010 9:30:08 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero since 1-20-09! WTFU!)
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To: Maelstorm

Instead of ‘repeal’, I would like to see the R’s run on changing the law-making process so that it slows things down. That will win more seats than repeal promises. Tell me that natural delays will be built into the process, and no more ram-this-thru/ram-that-thru will be allowed to happen.

Run on that promise, and there would be more than enough people to blow thru a veto of ‘repeal’...


46 posted on 03/26/2010 9:31:04 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: Maelstorm

The primaries is where we need to flood the ballot box.

Case in point FL. The GOP leadership is pooping a brick because their RINO has failed.

Take out the go along to get along RINOs today, and we take the leadership back on primary+1


47 posted on 03/26/2010 9:34:45 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: o2bfree

Josh Marshall, the guy who runs the talking points memo website, he’s one really slimy communist.


48 posted on 03/26/2010 9:35:24 AM PDT by o2bfree (This president is giving me a headache!)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
and no more ram-this-thru/ram-that-thru will be allowed to happen.

Right on!! How about; No vote until a bill has been posted,for the public to see, in it's entirety, for thirty days? Today this means the Internet.

If there are amendments after this thirty day period, the whole process starts over.

There could be provisions for those things that are truly emergencies. Emergency would mean National Security, or natural disaster where delay would cause significant looss of life. Property would not be a consideration.

49 posted on 03/26/2010 9:57:05 AM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

We need to forever take away the ability of law makers to make laws that redistribute wealth. We need to enshrine individual sovereignity even more so in the constitution.


50 posted on 03/26/2010 10:27:18 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Confiscation of wealth with out explicit consent is not charity.)
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