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Tim Hortons escapes U.S. fast-food purge in Afghanistan (Obama closes fast food for GIs)
Vancouver Sun ^ | 3/26/2010 | Juliet O’Neill

Posted on 03/26/2010 10:40:31 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus

OTTAWA -- Canada’s Tim Hortons coffee shop at Kandahar Airfield will remain open despite a shutdown of Pizza Hut, Burger King and other U.S. outlets deemed too luxurious by top American commanders of NATO troops.

“Kandahar Airfield Tim Hortons is an initiative to support our men and women in uniform for serving in Afghanistan,” Defence Department spokeswoman Megan MacLean said. “There are no plans to close the Tim Hortons.”

Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, who leads the International Security Assistance Force, has ordered most fast-food outlets on the boardwalk inside the airfield base shuttered.

Command Sgt. Maj. Michael T. Hall revealed the plan in a post on an ISAF blog last month.

“Many of you have heard that there are plans to shut down some of the ‘amenities’ throughout Afghanistan,” he wrote. “This is not rumour. It is fact. This is a war zone -- not an amusement park.”

Sgt. Maj. Hall said he and Gen. McChrystal had been looking for ways to do things more efficiently and to optimize ISAF resources from the moment they arrived in Afghanistan last summer. Gen. McChrystal is overseeing the surge in U.S. troops and resources over coming months.

“One of the ways we’re going to do that -- in order to accommodate the troop increase and get re-focused on the mission at hand -- is to cut back on some of the non-essentials. That includes some of the morale, welfare and recreation facilities throughout Afghanistan. In the coming weeks and months, concessions such as Orange Julius, Burger King, Pizza Hut, Dairy Queen and Military Car Sales will close their doors.”

He said commanders across the battlefield are implementing additional cutbacks while still providing services within individual nations’ interests and regulations.

The Tim Hortons is located next to the American concessions, many of which will be closed. Operated from a 12-metre trailer, Canadian military support staff manages Tim’s and profits go to health and welfare programs for Canadian Forces members.

He said Green Beans Coffee would remain at bases across Afghanistan, and bazaars and businesses which employ Afghans and feed the local economy will still continue to operate.

Sgt. Maj. Hall also said there would be fewer first-run movie showings and a reduced amount of canned and bottled goods coming into the country.

“What it comes down to is focus, and to using the resources we have in the most efficient and effective ways possible. Supplying non-essential luxuries to big bases like Bagram and Kandahar makes it harder to get essential items to combat outposts and forward operating bases, where troops who are in the fight each day need to be resupplied with ammunition, food and water.”


TOPICS: Canada; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bhodod; fastfood; halal; militarybase; obama; sharia
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Obama did this. Why destroy morale of our troops?
1 posted on 03/26/2010 10:40:31 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus
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To: Titus-Maximus

It’s Canadian food, I’m sure it’s sufficiently bad.


2 posted on 03/26/2010 10:42:18 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Timmy’s makes some good, nutritious deli stuff...along with their donuts and coffee.


3 posted on 03/26/2010 10:42:23 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: domenad
It’s Canadian food, I’m sure it’s sufficiently bad.

Tim Hortons is awesome.

4 posted on 03/26/2010 10:42:43 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: domenad

That’s HATE_SPEECH! “Canda” is almost a “defineable group”.


5 posted on 03/26/2010 10:43:16 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Titus-Maximus

Has Obama taken Kobe beef off the Whitehouse menu yet?


6 posted on 03/26/2010 10:45:16 AM PDT by 5by5
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To: Titus-Maximus
To tell you the truth, I was wondering why they had these things over there in the first place.

Command Sgt. Maj. Michael T. Hall revealed the plan in a post on an ISAF blog last month.

“Many of you have heard that there are plans to shut down some of the ‘amenities’ throughout Afghanistan,” he wrote. “This is not rumour. It is fact. This is a war zone -- not an amusement park.”

Hey, Mr. Hall -- does this mean it's been an amusement park for the last 8+ years?

7 posted on 03/26/2010 10:45:26 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: rabscuttle385

I agree; Timmy’s is awesome. The closest one is in Huber Heights OH. Regardless of the time, if I’m on my way east on I 70, I stop in for coffee and a boston creme and take a box of 20 Tim Bits home with me.

We can’t get one in Indy soon enough.


8 posted on 03/26/2010 10:46:20 AM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

It is getting harder and harder not to hate these people!


9 posted on 03/26/2010 10:47:04 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

I really appreciated the White Castle, Coney Island hotdog joints and the Isley ice cream outlets we had in Korea.


10 posted on 03/26/2010 10:47:49 AM PDT by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: Alberta's Child

“To tell you the truth, I was wondering why they had these things over there in the first place.”

We should give our soldiers as many of the “comforts” of home as we can.


11 posted on 03/26/2010 10:48:39 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: henkster
The closest one is in Huber Heights OH.

Is that the one on 70 near Dayton? I've been to one in that area.

12 posted on 03/26/2010 10:48:52 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

There is a big difference between hate and righteous indignation. This calls for righteous indignation which is what is building up within right thinking people.


13 posted on 03/26/2010 10:50:03 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come. Judgment Day: Nov 2, 2010)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Then why don’t we send over their entire families to be with them, and build suburban homes with playgrounds and shopping malls on the bases? Is this a war or a Peace Corps mission?


14 posted on 03/26/2010 10:51:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: Titus-Maximus

The beatings will continue until morale improves.


15 posted on 03/26/2010 10:51:55 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: Alberta's Child

Mall of America had Camp Snoopy which our locals used to call Camp Shoot-me.


16 posted on 03/26/2010 10:52:28 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: rabscuttle385

That’s the one.


17 posted on 03/26/2010 10:53:11 AM PDT by henkster (A broken government does not merit full faith and credit.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
Tim Horton's is owned by Wendy's/Arby’s Group, Inc. of Atlanta.
18 posted on 03/26/2010 10:53:11 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: DarthVader

These military commanders are becoming mere extensions of the Obama marxist “punish the achievers” mentality.


19 posted on 03/26/2010 10:53:25 AM PDT by Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
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To: Alberta's Child

what does a little bit of home fast food have to do with a war zone? If the contractor wants to enter a war zone, and sell the food for the soldiers, then let them.

Better than that local crap and “fresh” food, that will put you down for three days in a hallucinegenic, sweatin’ stupor.

Morale is all about making soldiers feel a little better about where they are at. Bad move.


20 posted on 03/26/2010 10:53:54 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Titus-Maximus

I remember the original story.
It had more to do with space and logistics considerations than politics or even Obama.


21 posted on 03/26/2010 10:54:07 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Titus-Maximus
I was based in a FOB three times while over there and never saw any of those except when it came time for me to fly back to the U.S. Those places are full of Fobbits trying to keep from being bored. Didn't see the need in them then and don't see the need in them now.
22 posted on 03/26/2010 10:55:00 AM PDT by wbarmy (I decided to be a sheepdog when I saw what happens to sheep.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Good for Tim Hortons. Just means the line at Tim Horton’s will be longer. But i guess its better for this administration that our soldiers dollars go to a canadian franchise,..then an american franchise.


23 posted on 03/26/2010 10:55:05 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Titus-Maximus

Weren’t the corporations kicking up enough money to the White House?
Command Sergeant Major Hall is one dumb SOB to make the remarks he did. McCrystal doesn’t look to good either.


24 posted on 03/26/2010 10:55:27 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Alberta's Child

I added “as we can”. Obviously it isn’t possible to do the things that you are stating. Having fast food for the troops is a feasible and a morale booster. Are you suggesting that our countrymen at war stay at war 24/7 and should have no time for rest/eating/leisure?


25 posted on 03/26/2010 10:56:13 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

“What it comes down to is focus, and to using the resources we have in the most efficient and effective ways possible. Supplying non-essential luxuries to big bases like Bagram and Kandahar makes it harder to get essential items to combat outposts and forward operating bases, where troops who are in the fight each day need to be resupplied with ammunition, food and water.”

sounds like talking points. A Pizza Hut pizza is a luxury?


26 posted on 03/26/2010 10:56:31 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Titus-Maximus

Obama did this. Do you REALLY TRULY have to ask? What they are taking away is MORALE builders. Take away the “little things” that makes being where you are a teensy bit like what GI’s call “the world”.
How the hell did we “win” WWII with the Red Cross serving coffee and donuts, with Bing Crosby and Bob Hope coming to every battle zone with their shows, and with many, many movie stars coming to say hello.
How the hell did we last in Korea, again with Bob Hope and his company, with the latest movies, even movies shown every night in the well-deck of my ship(waves permitting).
Then Bob Hope was still there in Vietnam, trying to raise the (pardon the expression) morale of the men.
It is obvious what “they” are trying to do. And there is a military command either STUPID or GUTLESS enough to go along with this.


27 posted on 03/26/2010 10:56:52 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY TIMES: "We print the news as it fits our views")
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To: Titus-Maximus
Another article on this from last night: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2480007/posts
28 posted on 03/26/2010 10:57:53 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Titus-Maximus

The whippings will continue until morale improves.


29 posted on 03/26/2010 10:58:50 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

Amen!


30 posted on 03/26/2010 10:59:02 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Alberta's Child; CaptainAmiigaf

Ping to 27


31 posted on 03/26/2010 10:59:48 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Eleven Bravo 6 319thID

Obozo is also unknowingly creating an atmosphere amongst the military where he is becoming their enemy thus fanning their suspicions about him being a subversive enemy of the Constitution. Should the situation arise where they have to remove him, they shall do so with enthusiasm.


32 posted on 03/26/2010 11:00:02 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come. Judgment Day: Nov 2, 2010)
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To: DarthVader

I suppose you are right but it feels an awful lot like hate.


33 posted on 03/26/2010 11:00:39 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
I'm thinking that if this country paid less attention to "making soldiers feel a little better about where they are," then this "war" wouldn't have lasted more than twice as long as World War II.

Nothing against the soldiers, mind you. I just get the same feeling here that I get from my hockey teammates when they complain about how hard I push them on the bench and in the locker room.

34 posted on 03/26/2010 11:01:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: wbarmy
I was based in a FOB three times while over there and never saw any of those except when it came time for me to fly back to the U.S. Those places are full of Fobbits trying to keep from being bored. Didn't see the need in them then and don't see the need in them now.

Didn't go to the sandbox (I was out by then) but it was the same way in Bosnia. I was in a FOB in the middle of nowhere with jack squat for amenities, but Eagle Base in Tuzla had a Burger King and a Pizza Hut.

35 posted on 03/26/2010 11:01:47 AM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Agree with you. Another good thing that comes of locating American companies on bases is introduction of the American culture and way of life. Of course Obammy probably finds that obnoxious. He doesn’t respect American culture.


36 posted on 03/26/2010 11:01:48 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
"Obama did this. Why destroy morale of our troops?"

Because he hates the American Military, which he views as evil and imperialistic, and he has no plans to win the war against islam in Afghanistan. Fortunately for America, unfortunately for "commander zero", the battle in Iraq had already been won by the time he ascended to the throne.

37 posted on 03/26/2010 11:01:56 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
Obama did this. Why destroy morale of our troops?

Because, otherwise we might win.

38 posted on 03/26/2010 11:02:22 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Kennard

Sorry, I’m out of date. Tim Horton’s was spun off in 2006. It is run by Canadians, but appears to be majority-owned by U.S. investors.


39 posted on 03/26/2010 11:02:31 AM PDT by Kennard
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To: Alberta's Child
To tell you the truth, I was wondering why they had these things over there in the first place.

Alcohol is not allowed. The troops need some way to blow off steam and relax. Fast food joints were all the troops had left.

40 posted on 03/26/2010 11:02:33 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

You know,..soldiers and sailors fly in there at all times of the day and night...and usually these places are the only things open.

Plus,..eating at a place like this makes time go by quicker (not that I’m a big fast food fan) having a pizza and watching a DVD that you bought at the bazaar.

This needs to be relooked at. Bet they didn’t take a poll on this.

Unless,...they are just running out of space.


41 posted on 03/26/2010 11:02:39 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
sounds like talking points. A Pizza Hut pizza is a luxury?

Yup, they are.

42 posted on 03/26/2010 11:03:10 AM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Ping to #34.


43 posted on 03/26/2010 11:03:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

It is hatred of evil and the necessary motivation required to defeat it. Was our Lord’s attitude towards the hypocritical Pharissee’s congeniel and affable?


44 posted on 03/26/2010 11:03:23 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come. Judgment Day: Nov 2, 2010)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Did he close Burger King?


45 posted on 03/26/2010 11:03:26 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: Titus-Maximus
This is a war zone -- not an amusement park

This is Dairy Queen, not DisneyWorld.

46 posted on 03/26/2010 11:04:12 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Alberta's Child

well,..when you rotate soldiers and marines into a multiple deployment cycle,..spinning the wheels off the war machine,...you damn well better be thinking about morale,..even if it comes in a little cardboard box.


47 posted on 03/26/2010 11:04:54 AM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Titus-Maximus

did he do this for health reasons?


48 posted on 03/26/2010 11:07:36 AM PDT by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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To: wbarmy

Marines would be far too happy if they were eating belly bombs and Whoppers. If they were happy Marines they would be less inclined to kill bad guys. That would only prolong the war and expose other Marines to danger. Far better to have unhappy Marines.


49 posted on 03/26/2010 11:07:45 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
You are 100% correct.

Burger King, Pizza Hut, etc. are not just "morale boosters" at all . . . they are a symptom of a very serious problem -- that is, a very "un-serious" approach to military operations in this country.

50 posted on 03/26/2010 11:08:00 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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