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Democratic Senator: Health Care Law to Address Mal-Distribution of Income(Redistribution of Wealth)
Fox News ^ | 3/28/2010 | Fox News

Posted on 03/27/2010 7:41:33 AM PDT by Dallas59

After the Senate passed a "fix-it" bill Thursday to make changes to the new health care law, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the influential Finance Committee, said the overhaul was an "income shift" to help the poor.

As Democrats tout the moral underpinnings of the federal health care system overhaul -- ensuring health care coverage for nearly all Americans -- one senator appeared to go off message when he said the legislation would address the "mal-distribution of income in America."

After the Senate passed a "fix-it" bill Thursday to make changes to the new health care law, Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the influential Finance Committee, said the overhaul was an "income shift" to help the poor.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 2tiermedicine; abortion; baucus; communism; deathcare; deathpanels; maldistribution; malrepresentation; malrepresentative; marxistscum; obamacare; romneycare; shariamedicine; socialism; zerocare
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Here it comes.....Like a freight train...

""Too often, much of late, the last couple three years, the mal-distribution of income in American is gone up way too much, the wealthy are getting way, way too wealthy and the middle income class is left behind," he said. "Wages have not kept up with increased income of the highest income in America. This legislation will have the effect of addressing that mal-distribution of income in America."

1 posted on 03/27/2010 7:41:33 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Did anyone check the Senatorial liquor cabinet?


2 posted on 03/27/2010 7:43:17 AM PDT by pb929
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To: Dallas59

Slavery is Freedom - Max Baucus.


3 posted on 03/27/2010 7:44:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Dallas59
Hey, Senator. How about redistributing YOUR wealth? Odds are, you make more than 99 percent of Americans. How much of that do you think you deserve?

And stop lying to the public. You're not redistributing wealth from the rich to the middle class. You're redistributing wealth from the rich and the middle class to the chronically indigent.

4 posted on 03/27/2010 7:45:24 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Dallas59

The moral underpinnings: looting money from those to who it belongs and giving it to those it does not. Morality straight from the pit of hell.


5 posted on 03/27/2010 7:45:26 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Dallas59

What is wrong with Montana voting this scum in?


6 posted on 03/27/2010 7:45:36 AM PDT by rwh (What great fortune it is for those in power that the people do not think!)
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To: Dallas59

The guy just doesn’t know when to shut up.This will not end well for any of these socialists.


7 posted on 03/27/2010 7:45:50 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop thinking about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Dallas59

Yeah, well who with more than a double-digit IQ didn’t already know this? And all of your upcoming agenda is about the same thing-redistribution to illegals, to parasites, to those too lazy and incapable to earn their own keep, etc. All this redistribution of course exempts the leftist “elites” (unions and congress).


8 posted on 03/27/2010 7:46:39 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: pb929

Yes it was found to be a pint low prior to the confession.


9 posted on 03/27/2010 7:47:50 AM PDT by Redhd2
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To: Dallas59

Funny how they have such a problem with theology and tout separation of church and state, yet praise the “moral underpinning” of their law. Bush got massacred in the praise for even hinting that a policy decision was based on his morals.


10 posted on 03/27/2010 7:48:00 AM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: IronJack

Who will be surprised when they start passing legislation as to how much “living space” people are “entitled” to? (Exempting of course algore, Hussein, & Co)


11 posted on 03/27/2010 7:48:18 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Dallas59

I didn’t know wealth was distributed !!! And all this time I’ve been working ? Wow, I got a bum deal !!!!


12 posted on 03/27/2010 7:50:14 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (To God Be The Glory)
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To: Dallas59

What freakin income do these idiots plan to redisribute?

They’re driving employers out of business—who exactly will be paying all these taxes when nobody is working?

Oh wait, they’ll just print more money.


13 posted on 03/27/2010 7:51:19 AM PDT by jazminerose
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To: Dallas59
In other words, since I have valuable skills and work hard, I am compelled against my will to give part of my earnings to someone who can't or won't work as hard?

Exactly how is that different from slavery Senator?

We need to make this upcoming election about the Democrats trying to reimpose
SLAVERY.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

14 posted on 03/27/2010 7:51:30 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: pb929

Baucus in a moment of sobriety.....


15 posted on 03/27/2010 7:51:33 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Dallas59
It is only involuntary redistribution for Christians and Jews
with Congressional staff also immune.


Muslims Exempt From Obamacare
”The new Obamacare legislation that was forced on unwilling Americans this week
specifically mandates that we all purchase health insurance. That is, unless you don't
believe in that sort of thing. That's right, the current health care bill contains a clause
which exempts certain individuals form the requirements and penalties set forth in it.

" EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section
1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:
In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing
ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such
information as the Secretary shall prescribe."
Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274“


Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
”Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate? WordWayze The Senate
health care bill just signed contains some exemptions to the "pay-or-play" mandate
requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine.
As Fox News has pointed out, for instance, the Amish are excused from the mandate:
So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or
government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal
insurance plan for the Amish.

Law experts say that kind of exemption withstands scrutiny.
"Here the statute is going to say that people who are conscientiously opposed to paying
for health insurance don't have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from
religion," said Mark Tushnet a Harvard law professor. "And that's perfectly constitutional."
Apparently, this exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers
health insurance - and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance - to be haraam (forbidden).”“


Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate

16 posted on 03/27/2010 7:52:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rwh
What is wrong with Montana voting this scum in?

Like most politicians Baucus talks one way in DC and another at home. In the past the press was able to cover for this duplicity but and most folks are too disengaged to fight through the spin to get the truth.

Things are changing fast, though. People are angry and that makes them engaged and technology has made the MSM propaganda wall porous enough for people to see through to the truth.

17 posted on 03/27/2010 7:52:32 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem)
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To: Dallas59
FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY
TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED.

LENIN OBAMA

18 posted on 03/27/2010 7:52:48 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: Dallas59

And the more jobs exported with bi-partisan fleece trade deals the more the income disparity will grow. Darwinian economics is challenged at the voting booth. Majority wins.


19 posted on 03/27/2010 7:53:30 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: UsnDadof8

Actually, wealth isn’t distributed so much as income. Someone who is already a millionaire may or may not have a lot of income. Progressive income taxes are way to keep anyone else from acquiring wealth. Those who already have wealth aren’t really hurt much by income taxes. Income taxes aren’t going to take away the nice cars, beautiful homes, etc. Consider the progressive income tax more of a Keep ‘Em Down tax.


20 posted on 03/27/2010 7:56:17 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: Dallas59

What we really have going on in this country is a MAL-DISTRIBUTION of EFFORT.


21 posted on 03/27/2010 7:59:08 AM PDT by desertfreedom765
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To: UsnDadof8

I should also add that not only are the wealthy mostly unaffected by progressive income taxes, but those on the receiving end never seem to receive enough to get out of poverty either. A poor person would need a very high income indeed to actually escape poverty and accumulate wealth.


22 posted on 03/27/2010 8:00:34 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: CitizenUSA
"Those who already have wealth aren’t really hurt much by income taxes."

Really? Well, I don't see them beating down anybody's doors to pay theirs. Why don't you ask the "wealthy" (which by an ever decreasing standard might include those who make 100K in a few years time) how they feel about taxes?

23 posted on 03/27/2010 8:01:47 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (To God Be The Glory)
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To: Dallas59
Your Hope has been "mal-distributed". Here's your Change.

24 posted on 03/27/2010 8:02:26 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: CitizenUSA

And I should add that I don’t think you get sarcasm very well.


25 posted on 03/27/2010 8:02:52 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (To God Be The Glory)
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To: Dallas59

Well, Max, why not set an example for all us peasants, and turn over 90% of your wealth to the government so it can be redistributed to those who need it more than you do.


26 posted on 03/27/2010 8:03:09 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Dallas59

As I recall, Hussein once said reparations “don’t go far enough”.

We’re seeing another step in Hussein’s grand plan to incorporate sweeping reparations through socialism.


27 posted on 03/27/2010 8:03:34 AM PDT by Zman516 (muslims, marxists, communists ---> satan's useful idiot corps)
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To: CitizenUSA
Actually, wealth isn’t distributed so much as income.

Consider a person with a $75,000 per year job who decides to take on another job to help pay for his children's education. Lets suppose his second job also pays $75,000. He is now working 80+ hours per week to pay for his kids' college. His total income is now $150,000 per year and he has moved into a punitive tax bracket. If his wife works they will be subject to the AMT.

Is that fair?

Many small business owners work 80+ hours per week. If they make $200,000 should they be punitively taxed for their work ethic?

The current tax code is designed to punish success and reward failure. Is that what we really want?

28 posted on 03/27/2010 8:13:34 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished...)
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To: Dallas59

It’s really the redistribution of poverty.

Plus, a great deal of that wealth always sticks to the fingers of the redistributors.


29 posted on 03/27/2010 8:14:06 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Dallas59

Just when America needs everyone pulling as hard as they can, those of us who can decide for ourselves how much we want to produce are going to start easing the throttle back. Of course this is exactly the result the commie bastards are trying to produce. Keep your arms and legs inside the car folks!


30 posted on 03/27/2010 8:14:08 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Dallas59
ALLRIGHT,now lets quit beating around the bush. WEALTH, INCOME are simply terms to describe what we really want to say and that is; WEALTH AND INCOME ARE PROPERTY, plain and simple. Under this socialist monstrosity of a Hell Care Bill we the property holders are being stripped of our property, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!! The basic right we have is the right to property, when we loose that basic right we have nothing, we are SLAVES, CHATTEL, WE BECOME THE PROPERTY OF THE STATE with no rights nothing protected!!! I say stop this madness now, vote the democrats out in November and if that is not successful,—then!!!
31 posted on 03/27/2010 8:14:30 AM PDT by ScareyFast63
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To: Senator_Blutarski

The answer is that small business man needs to let most of his workforce go and throttle back to the least amount he really needs. Go Galt.


32 posted on 03/27/2010 8:16:33 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Dallas59
one senator appeared to go off message when he said the legislation would address the "mal-distribution of income in America."

This is how they really speak behind those closed doors when they feel that the proletariat is not listening. True Marxists...all of them. They MUST BE ROOTED OUT!

33 posted on 03/27/2010 8:16:39 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Dr. Ursus

So many public figures on the left are “slipping up” and saying this outright, that I’m wondering if they’re doing it on purpose to get the “shock factor” out of the way in their ongoing effort to have people accept socialism as a fact, as a good thing. So that they can finally come out of the closet about it, be open about it, without being harmed politically. There just may be enough stupid parasites in this country that it might work. These parasites already accept every facet of socialist government except the label.


34 posted on 03/27/2010 8:17:49 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: UsnDadof8

I wasn’t criticizing your original point. I was simply adding to it that even though many people (not necessarily you) use the term wealth redistribution, it’s not wealth so much as income that’s being shared.

I also agree the wealthy (especially rich leftists) don’t seem inclined to give up their lives of comfort in order to help the people they claim to care so much about. How many of those rich senators on the left dispose of their OWN homes, investments, etc for the cause.

If you already have wealth, you just aren’t hurt the same way as someone who is trying to build wealth. A wealthy person could live off their investments and avoid high taxable income. You or I, should we attempt to build wealth, have to earn far more in order to pay our cost of living as well as come up with something extra to invest.


35 posted on 03/27/2010 8:19:38 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: IronJack
Numerous studies have shown that liberals are much less generous with their own money that conservatives are. They are much more generous with other people's money. We've all seen stories of about tax and spend liberal candidates like Clinton, Kerry, Gore and Obama, who have given insignificant amounts to charity in the years prior to their running for office.

One question that liberals dodge is: "Why are the chronically indigent in that condition?" The answer is that early on in their lives they make bad lifestyle decisions that inhibit any chance of success: dropping out of school, drug and alcohol abuse, teenage out-of-wedlock births and criminal activities, to name a few. Of course, being born stupid into a lazy family culture doesn't help either.

36 posted on 03/27/2010 8:20:45 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Impeach Zerobama and his band of Commie Czars.)
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To: pb929

The Leftists have taken their clothes off and have crossed the Rubicon for the attack! We will have many more defensive struggles against the left including amnesty, energy taxes, card check, but despite that, we need stay on the offensive with the impending constitutional crisis caused by the progressives.

This is the crisis created (I believe intentionally by the Left) by the establishment of a health care mandate. The mandates as federal law essentially establish a new precedent for the federal government to force individuals to engage in contacts with others. If left unchallenged, federal power will also be unchallenged. This must not slip out of the headlines and we need to redouble our efforts to insist on state statutes and amendments that nullify the mandates. We need more state AG lawsuits. All governors and presidential candidates must take the pledge to de-fund, interpose, and issue executive orders against the mandates (and any other unconstitutional aspects of 0bamacare) on behalf of their citizens.

At town halls, we must continue to demand answers from people like Queens Rep Anthony Weiner as to exactly how will you enforce your mandates? I believe that Weiner waffled because there may not be any statutory authority for the IRS because the mandate is not an income or payroll tax but is in effect a capitation tax and out of their jurisdiction. It is possible that congress may have to pass some Soviet style law giving the IRS the specific authority to fine, tax and penalize in this situation. Another winning debate for the Left? A chance for Rush to defy authoritarianism by publicly refusing to comply!

Politics is war without weapons. We cannot win this war through defensive action alone. History has given us numerous examples (the current war on terror, the Inchon landing in Korea and the Romans invading Carthage) that offense is needed for victory. They have exposed themselves. The Leftists are clearly our irreconcilable and mortal enemies.


37 posted on 03/27/2010 8:22:03 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Fresh Wind

“Well, Max, why not set an example for all us peasants, and turn over 90% of your wealth.....”

He supposedly owns more than 100,000 acres in Montana.
If he does, I wonder if he would like to sell about 50% of it and turn the proceeds over to the federal government?

Now, that would be integrity.

IMHO


38 posted on 03/27/2010 8:22:49 AM PDT by ripley
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To: RightWingConspirator

You are correct. Every year for decades, the “charity indexes” show the poorest and most conservative states as being at the top in charitable giving, and the richest and most liberal being at the bottom.


39 posted on 03/27/2010 8:23:06 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Dallas59

Max Baucus? I prefer Baucus kept to a minimum.


40 posted on 03/27/2010 8:24:02 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: ripley
Hey Max, I have all these bullets, and you don't have any...

:-)

41 posted on 03/27/2010 8:24:43 AM PDT by Gargantua (DON'T TREAD ON US.)
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To: mrsmel

Senator Orrin Hatch has been saying that very thing.Obama
and the Dems are trying to get a solid voting bloc over 50%
dependent on the Dems for their handouts.


42 posted on 03/27/2010 8:26:30 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Dallas59

These insane Democrats are nothing but a reflection of the electorate; full of brilliant, really-really smart, self-appointed-intellectual, independents.

Thank you independents. Keep being insane. It looks like you’re all going to massage your egos and send everyone else to your brilliant, really-really smart, socialist paradise.

IMHO


43 posted on 03/27/2010 8:26:42 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Senator_Blutarski

Senator_Blutarski: “The current tax code is designed to punish success and reward failure. Is that what we really want?”

I think we’re trying to make the same point, but I’m not doing a good job of it. A person can have a lot of income and be poor. A wealthy person can be amazingly rich and have very little income. The assets you own, your net worth, is wealth.

The system most definitely penalizes wealth creation. Like you wrote, it’s very difficult to make enough income to pay for both day-to-day living expenses and build wealth. The harder you work, the bigger bite they take. If you invest, you have to beat inflation as well as capital gains taxes in order to create wealth.

You are right. The progressive income tax penalizes hard work and wealth creation. Personally, I think progressive taxation should be declared unconstitutional, and everyone should be required to pay the same percent.


44 posted on 03/27/2010 8:34:41 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: squarebarb

squarebarb: “It’s really the redistribution of poverty. Plus, a great deal of that wealth always sticks to the fingers of the redistributors.”

Yes, funny that, eh? I like the point about the redistributors. So true!


45 posted on 03/27/2010 8:36:40 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Governor Palin backs RINO extraordinaire Juan McPain (and that just sucks!))
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To: Dallas59

More and more of the fraud called “Health Care” is coming out. Every now and then, the RATS let their true intentions be known. I hope the good folks of Montana send this RAT POS packing the first opportunity they get.


46 posted on 03/27/2010 8:36:43 AM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Diogenesis

I hereby am starting a new religion. It will be called
“The Church of the Healing All Manner of Sickness and Every Infirmity”-
Here our religion expressly forbids use of any government funds for staying healthy based upon Matthew 4, 23-25; 6, 25, Proverbs 4,22:
“And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom: and healing all manner of sickness and every infirmity, among the people. 24 And his fame went throughout all Syria, and they presented to him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and such as were possessed by devils, and lunatics, and those that had the palsy, and he cured them” —

Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” —

“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes?” —

“My son, hearken to my words, and incline your ear to my sayings. 21 Let them not depart from your eyes, keep them in the midst of your heart: 22 For they are life to those that find them, and health to all flesh.”

Where do I file?


47 posted on 03/27/2010 8:42:40 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Dallas59
Thanks for posting this. What current generations may not know is that this kind of "redistribution" was tried and failed in America before!

If the American citizenry is awakened to the kinds of facts discusssed above, and if they will go back and review the philosophy of the Framers of the U. S. Constitution, they may perhaps begin to understand how America became the symbol of liberty, opportunity and prosperity for millions throughout the world. The following essay, is reprinted with permission.

The Miracle of America

from

axes and hoes to high technology;

log cabins to air-conditioned condos;

horsedrawn wagons to autos, planes, and rockets;

scarcity to abundance; &

from tyrannical government rule  to individual liberty

HOW DID IT ALL BEGIN?

Most of our history books don’t tell us that, in the beginning, the pilgrims established a communal economic system.  Each was to produce according to his ability and contribute his production to a common storehouse from which each was to draw according to his need.

   The assurance that they would be fed from the common store, regardless of their contribution to it, had a peculiarly disabling effect on the colonists.  Taking property away from some and giving it to others bred discontent and retarded employment.  Human nature was the same then as now, and before long, there were more consumers than there were producers, and the pilgrims were near starvation.  Governor Bradford, his advisors, and the colonists agreed that in order to increase their crops, each family would be allowed to do as it pleased with whatever it produced.  In other words, a free market system was established.  In Governor Bradford’s own words:

                “This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corne was planted than other waise would have bene by any means ye Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deall of trouble, and gave farr better contente.  The women now wente willingly into ye field, and tooke their little-ons with them to set corne, which before would aledg weaknes, and inabilitie; whom to have compelled would have bene though great tiranie and oppression. . . . By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed. . . . and some of ye abler sort and more industrious had to spare, and sell to others, so as any generall wante or famine hath not been amongst them since this day . . . .” (Wm. Bradford, “Of Plimoth Plantation,” original manuscript, Wright & Potter, Boston, 1901)

  

   Those who, today, favor central government planning, common ownership and redistribution of the earnings of others are advocating a system that Americans tried and rejected over 350 years ago.  Their wisdom gave birth to the great American miracle!

(This message originally published in the mid-1980’s by Stedman Corporation’s Government Affairs & Free Enterprise Education Program – a former NC textile firm.  For more essays in this series, visit www.ouragelessconstitution.com)


48 posted on 03/27/2010 8:44:48 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: RightWingConspirator

The Left-wing hate mongers used to try to slam Barry Goldwater for being a Senator “for the rich.” The truth of the matter is that the Goldwater family has, and still does, donate millions to charity.


49 posted on 03/27/2010 8:45:54 AM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Dr. Ursus

Yep, and the upcoming “amnesty” will more than put them over the top. If we are aghast at the way they trampled the Constitution to push DeathCare on us against the consent of the governed, we “ain’t seen nothin’ yet”. Their success in ramming it through has only emboldened them, the repercussions for their tyranny are small potatoes to them in this their best chance ever to enact wholesale socialism on this country. DeathCare was practically a “test case” in seeing just how much they can get away with without paying a real price or being stopped in their tracks-even if the Republicans were to gain a majority in the mid-terms, that will just give Hussein two years to pin every lie he and the complicit media can come up with on them, before he’s up for re-election and the rats have a chance to re-take the majority and put the frosting on this communist crap cake. The writing is on the wall.


50 posted on 03/27/2010 8:47:18 AM PDT by mrsmel
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