Skip to comments.New Paycheck Deduction [Voluntary Deduction Which You Can Opt Out of]
Posted on 03/27/2010 6:13:35 PM PDT by chatter4
Nancy Pelosis and Barack Obamas words are ringing true: We will learn what is in the bill once it is passed. New long term care deduction on everyone's paycheck-$150-250 a month, unless you opt out. This would be in addition to your health insurance premiums, and taxes you already pay. See the video for details.
There's no guarantee the US government can ever meet the obligations it's incurring with this POS.
This is what chains look like.
Wait wait. Let me guess. They’ll put it in a lock box, and no one can touch it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Guess which union represents a lot of the home health care workers who would benefit from this provision.
Yup, this scam is another Obama-Andy Stern fleecing of the American taxpayer.
“Everything about socialism is sham and affectation.” - 23.11 Ch23 Evil; Economic Harmonies; Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850
If this keeps up, it won’t pay to work.
Another government Ponzi Scheme. Just wonderful!
One of my favorite books.
How do you opt out?
Sorry, but you will have no choice — unless you are a protected member of the Obamunist Welfare Vulture Culture. Under the Obama-Reid-Pelosi Regime, the rest of us will be required to work for the government in order to get a home, medical care, transportation, and a weekly living stipend. It’s coming.
What they have in mind. For what perverse reason is anyone’s guess. Giving America back to it’s rightful owners?? Are they going to keep the engine running??
...so for those of us who don’t get a ‘paycheck’ per se (self-employed), this will be one more smack in the jaw come April 15th. Unless we opt out, which I’m going to find out how to do!
Don’t we already have laws about “opt out” scams? They stopped the credit card companies from doing it long ago.
Now THEY want to do it?
Please - SOMEONE FIND THAT BIRTH CERT!
I want to know the page # and line in the bill this exists.
Deductions likely to not start until after November or maybe 2012....just an educated guess.
Muslims Exempt From Obamacare
The new Obamacare legislation that was forced on unwilling Americans this week
specifically mandates that we all purchase health insurance. That is, unless you don't
believe in that sort of thing. That's right, the current health care bill contains a clause
which exempts certain individuals form the requirements and penalties set forth in it.
" EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section
1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:
In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individuals status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing
ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such
information as the Secretary shall prescribe."
Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274
Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate?
Amish, Muslims to be excused from Obamacare mandate? WordWayze The Senate
health care bill just signed contains some exemptions to the "pay-or-play" mandate
requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine.
As Fox News has pointed out, for instance, the Amish are excused from the mandate:
So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or
government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal
insurance plan for the Amish.
Law experts say that kind of exemption withstands scrutiny.
"Here the statute is going to say that people who are conscientiously opposed to paying
for health insurance don't have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from
religion," said Mark Tushnet a Harvard law professor. "And that's perfectly constitutional."
Apparently, this exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers
health insurance - and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance - to be haraam (forbidden).
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream.
It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same,
or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
President Ronald Reagan
Western thinking has become conservative:
the world situation should stay as it is at any cost;
there should be no changes. ....
The communist regime in the East could stand and grow due to the enthusiastic support
from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who felt a kinship and refused to see
communism's crimes. And when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify them. In
our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero
and less than zero. But Western intellectuals still look at it with interest and with
empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to
withstand the East.
[Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn at the Commencement, 8 June 1978, Harvard University]
My dad was in a nursing home to the tune of $4800.00 per month. MANY in that same facility had never worked a day in their life and it cost them nothing - my dad’s monthly payments and our tax dollars pay for them.
The “poor” already recieve free healthcare. Oblablah and crew are leading them to believe that with insurance they are getting something more than they already have. It’s all a lie. Any guesses on what the leaches of society are going to scream when they realize they aren’t getting anything “mo frum da man”?
This is all about one more way to rape our pay checks.
I haven’t seen the details on how to opt out, but what I have read it seems that you can opt out. Doesn’t make much sense. Do they think people won’t notice and won’t opt out?
I’m hoping Israel decides to show us his past!
Is this the paycheck that over 24 million Americans USED to receive until they were thrown out of work?
Is THAT the paycheck you mean?
Truth be told, neither I nor the other 25 million Americans have anything to worry about.
But you employed people....woooo weeee! You're about to get hammered!
Sorry, this is what I came up with.
Ugh. Why aren’t I surprised?
Page 1888 Sec. 8001
Definitely a budget buster....people have been trying to sell me this type of insurance for years...the reason I don’t have it is because it was a budget buster...
Long term care right now is huge expense for the taxpayers.
Probably the biggest part of the entire medicaid budget, particularly in areas like here in the Rust Belt with lots of older people and not too many illegal aliens.
It certainly should be addressed, but sneaking in this underfunded giveaway to SEIU just isn’t right.
ping for later.
I’m starting to think this is the Bilderberger Society in charge. They’re convinced the only way mankind can survive is a one world socialist government and a people of elites and workers.
If the 75% of the people in this country that opposed this ObamaCrapCare would opt out of everything going to the federal Government, including raising their withholding deductions to 10 or 20, they would get nothing (no revenue) and then see what they try to spend.
Yeah, I’m all tapped out, can’t do it. Actually, blaming it partly on the impending health care bill, my company eliminated salary increases in 2010. So, to the extent of any inflation, my income is going down.
Look at what happens to highway funds for an idea of what will happen to federal health care dollars.
Don’t be surprised if health care dollars ends up building zoos, buying real estate, or going to fight gang violence.
“or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children
and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
We are talking about that RIGHT NOW. Sorry, Mr. Reagan.....
On page 1905 of the bill line 23
(b) Election to opt out.
This is in the “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
Why would anyone in their right mind want a small group of people to control all the laws and money...the answer is no one. That is why they go through the trouble to do it by stealth and "appear" to convince the people through lies in the owned media.
This time they got between a rock and a hard place because people are starting to wake up..so they had to hurry the big government legislation and even with that they ignored the will of the people and rammed it through putting many of the political prostitutes at risk. Make no mistake...there are big government sellouts on both sides of the isle.
Our very small business used to employ 3-5 people, carpentry contracting.
We’re bust, we used to build 6-7 house a years, now we’re not building any house. We build garages, sheds, additions, and anyone we hire is paid in cash.
After 5 years a person is “fully vested” and can recieve $75 a day for in-house care. Of course they only paid in about 6 months worth, after that it becomes an entitlement paid for by the others.
I could become Amish.
What makes people think the money will still be there when they need it? They’ll steal it just like they did with Social Security and other programs. It’s just another way to get your money.
When you think about the fact that there are now more workers on the government payroll, State and Federal combined, than there are on private sector payrolls there are a limited number of reasonable conclusions to reach.
This cannot continue. The leaches will never stop demanding more and are too stupid to realize that there really is a finite supply of “free” money. The money supply will run out. We’re rapidly approaching the end of the supply.
I looked into opting out of SS a number of years ago. They didn’t make it easy if I remember correctly. The church had to be formed before such and such date or it had to be a certain church.
I don’t remember all of the details now.
And what about the money collected from individuals who don’t ever need long term care?
ONLY an extremely STUPID person would drop their money in the hands of the US Gov on the PROMISE that their coverage will be there when they want it.
This only exists on the teachings of PT Barnum (there’s a sucker born every minute).
I like the Opt OUT provision (in there SO FAR, I’m sure they will make it mandatory though), the only down side is that we can’t Opt Out of the whole bloody Obama-Pelosi-Reid Mother Lovin Thing.
Last year our government paid out more dollars to dependents than it took in in taxes.
You are right. It can not continue with more people in the wagon than there are people pulling the wagon.
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