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The Rage Is Not About Health Care
New York Slimes ^ | March 27, 2010 | FRANK RICH

Posted on 03/28/2010 7:00:46 AM PDT by SmokingJoe

THERE were times when last Sunday’s great G.O.P. health care implosion threatened to bring the thrill back to reality television. On ABC’s “This Week,” a frothing and filibustering Karl Rove all but lost it in a debate with the Obama strategist David Plouffe. A few hours later, the perennially copper-faced Republican leader John Boehner revved up his “Hell no, you can’t!” incantation in the House chamber — instant fodder for a new viral video remixing his rap with will.i.am’s “Yes, we can!” classic from the campaign. Boehner, having previously likened the health care bill to Armageddon, was now so apoplectic you had to wonder if he had just discovered one of its more obscure revenue-generating provisions, a tax on indoor tanning salons.

But the laughs evaporated soon enough. There’s nothing entertaining about watching goons hurl venomous slurs at congressmen like the civil rights hero John Lewis and the openly gay Barney Frank. And as the week dragged on, and reports of death threats and vandalism stretched from Arizona to Kansas to upstate New York, the F.B.I. and the local police had to get into the act to protect members of Congress and their families.

How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn’t recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far.

No less curious is how disproportionate this red-hot anger is to its proximate cause. The historic Obama-Pelosi health care victory is a big deal, all right, so much so it doesn’t need Joe Biden’s adjective to hype it. But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; angrymob; bhohealthcare; girlymen; mainstreammedia; newyorktimes; obamcare; teaparty
Where do you even start taking this nonsense apart from? A quick reply to this garbage from the frothing at the mouth, clearly mentally deranged Frank Reich and his New York Times publisher is in the Wall Street Journal this morning:
Murdoch to Sulzberger: You Are a Girly Man
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/03/murdoch-to-sulzberger-you-are-a-girly-man.html
1 posted on 03/28/2010 7:00:47 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

That’s rich, Frank.

You POS


2 posted on 03/28/2010 7:02:51 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Just something to put in the bottom of the bird cage...


3 posted on 03/28/2010 7:06:00 AM PDT by hstacey
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To: SmokingJoe

I saw the Rove interview...he wiped the floor with Pfoffle...the poor guy almost stuck his thumb in his mouth and may well have wet himself.

Rove’s mathematical takedown of this bill was a beautiful thing to watch...I laughed out loud.

When liberals don’t have facts, they attack the fact checker.


4 posted on 03/28/2010 7:07:45 AM PDT by kjo
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To: SmokingJoe
New York Times (NYT) Loses Over 7% Of Circulation, Washington Post (WPO) Down 6%
5 posted on 03/28/2010 7:09:15 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: SmokingJoe

“frothing and filibustering Karl Rove”

Has he ever seen or heard Karl Rove talk? “Frothing”? Absolutely delusional.

“all but lost it in a debate with the Obama strategist David Plouffe”

Again, has he ever heard Karl Rove? Perhaps he’s redefining “lost” to mean “systematically and factually destroyed the other guy’s pathetic arguments”.


6 posted on 03/28/2010 7:09:59 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SmokingJoe

What’s he smokin’?

I want some.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 7:11:16 AM PDT by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... WWW.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: SmokingJoe
But the bill does not erect a huge New Deal-Great Society-style government program.

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
- Adolf Hitler

8 posted on 03/28/2010 7:11:17 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: central_va

Good.

Won’t be happy till circulation is down 70% !!!


9 posted on 03/28/2010 7:12:42 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: SmokingJoe
On ABC’s “This Week,” a frothing and filibustering Karl Rove all but lost it in a debate with the Obama strategist David Plouffe.

I see Frank has yet to leave his padded cell and join us in reality. Rove may have been (gloriously) loud and raging, but he didn't utter a single word that wasn't forwarding arguments of fact and substance, or directly engaging lies and evasions by Plouffe. Plouffe may have been soft spoken, but he was the one "frothing and filibustering".

10 posted on 03/28/2010 7:13:18 AM PDT by Stultis (Democrats. Still devoted to the three S's: Slavery, Segregation and Socialism.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

Looks like the Slimes are ahead of the Compost! Go slimes!


11 posted on 03/28/2010 7:14:02 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org)
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To: SmokingJoe

Propaganda from the NY Times which just slashed $10 million in benefits from its blue collar workers and gave $10 million to its super greedy Socialist owners.


12 posted on 03/28/2010 7:16:39 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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poor old hippie....just full of white guilt. Geez.


13 posted on 03/28/2010 7:18:01 AM PDT by basalt
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To: SmokingJoe

“The Rage Is Not About Health Care”

Nope, it’s about fedzilla forcing people into contracts with private businesses.


14 posted on 03/28/2010 7:18:12 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: Talisker
Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”
- Adolf Hitler

Hitler didn't have Rush Limbaugh to contend with, or the internet, or viral email, or the ability of the masses to spread information to millions in just seconds, just by the click of a button, with zero control from the government. There is too much anti-0bamacare stuff on conservative talk radio and the internet, for 0bama to be able to get away with any lies for even one week, despite a determined pro-0bamacre propaganda effort by the mainstream media.

15 posted on 03/28/2010 7:18:26 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe; onyx
On ABC’s “This Week,” a frothing and filibustering Karl Rove all but lost it in a debate with the Obama strategist David Plouffe.

Nice try, Rich - Rove mopped the floor with the smirking tool Plouffe.

16 posted on 03/28/2010 7:18:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: kjo
When liberals don’t have facts, they attack the fact checker.

So true. I had one, when pressed for a source of a obvious false statement, tell me he didn't need a source as he "watch MSNBC."

17 posted on 03/28/2010 7:19:52 AM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: SmokingJoe

Who falls for this sort crap these days? In reality, Maher and Rich seem to be insulting most of the people who pay attention to them. Sooner or later, I guess the people who bother to follow these idiots will stop hating themselves.


18 posted on 03/28/2010 7:25:38 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: SmokingJoe

Frankie, Frankie, Frankie
Tsk, tsk. You neither enlighten or frighten people with the garbage you write

When all of your smoke is blown away, what I see is that you are scared...and well you should be.

70% of the people are angry with their gov’t and nearly 50 percent of them are very angry. The Dem’s majority and socialist agenda is going to come to an end, and your fish-wrap newspaper is already on death’s door.


19 posted on 03/28/2010 7:29:11 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: SuzyQue
Perhaps he’s redefining “lost”

RATS do this all the time.....

.....When they can't win an argument on merit, they redefine the words of the issue to suit their agenda.

Then they say they "Won".

I remember in the mid 1990's Clinton redefined the term "family-values" to mean welfare.

20 posted on 03/28/2010 7:37:24 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: SmokingJoe

Informal Poll....

Who will cease to be a functioning enterprise first, the NYT or the Democrat party?


21 posted on 03/28/2010 7:48:46 AM PDT by pb929
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To: SmokingJoe

Lil Fwankie has his tutu wadded up his crack again.


22 posted on 03/28/2010 7:52:50 AM PDT by 4buttons
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To: SmokingJoe
How curious that a mob fond of likening President Obama to Hitler knows so little about history that it doesn’t recognize its own small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht. The weapon of choice for vigilante violence at Congressional offices has been a brick hurled through a window. So far.

Frank Rich just called me a Nazi.

I think a more appropriate comparison would be the burning of the Reichstag. This was done by the Nazis and blamed on other groups in a successful effort for the Nazis to gain power. The real question is who threw the bricks and made the phone calls. Phone calls are traceable. Show us the evidence. Until then I will stick with the theory of a false flag exercise by the liberals.

As an aside it must be noted that the Tea-party movement has and is very law abiding and non violent. The hard radical left has a history of extreme violence inclusive of murder and genocide starting with the Russian revolution in 1917.

23 posted on 03/28/2010 7:58:22 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: SmokingJoe

One of the great questions of our time has been how could the country of Goethe and Schiller have produced a Hitler? We are experiencing the answer.


24 posted on 03/28/2010 7:59:41 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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To: cpdiii

I forgot to mention that NAZI is the acronymn for the National Socialist Party. Hitler was from the left, not the right!!!!!!!!!!!!


25 posted on 03/28/2010 8:00:40 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: dirtboy
Nice try, Rich - Rove mopped the floor with the smirking tool Plouffe

That's precisely why Frank Rich is so angry with Karl Rove. You will notice that Rich(an economics professor), doesn't even bother to challenge Rove’s facts and figures, but instead launches a vicious personal attack on Rove. Classic Alinski tactics.

26 posted on 03/28/2010 8:07:07 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: depressed in 06
I agree that we are witnessing things akin to what happened in Germany. We are living in dangerous times.
All of the early Progressives were eugenicists. It is an inherent part of their belief system. I wonder how much of that has changed and if Obama is just a tool for them. I wonder if their ultimate goal is to make him a villain and destroy him when he becomes inconvenient...and in the process use him as an example. His speechwriters emphasizing all of the “I’s” and “me’s” in his speeches are purposefully making it about him rather than the cause. When the cause is completed, he can be dismissed and demonized.
27 posted on 03/28/2010 8:11:58 AM PDT by madinmadtown
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To: SmokingJoe

Begin with the repitition of a lie i.e. the John Lewis incident, and Rich’s column swiftly goes downhill like a gigantic flood of sewage. Anyone wanting to know why Nazism if far closer to progressivism than conservatism should read Jonah Goldberg’s excellent “Liberal Fascism.” Clearly, someone like Rich does not want to acknowledge the close ties to communism and Nazism. It might prick the leftist bubble of ignorance he has enclosed himself in.


28 posted on 03/28/2010 8:32:49 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Won’t be happy till circulation is down 70% !!!

Why so timid? How about 100%?

29 posted on 03/28/2010 11:50:57 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: SmokingJoe
Rich(an economics professor)

Huh? Try limp wristed theater critic.

30 posted on 03/28/2010 12:46:47 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Minn
Oh boy!
I mistook him for Robert Reich.
Apologies.
31 posted on 03/28/2010 12:52:15 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: driftless2
Begin with the repitition of a lie i.e. the John Lewis incident,

Yep. It matters not how thoroughly debunked this non-incident has been. It's now a permanent part of the left's play book.

I called into a Twin City radio show to confront a couple of lefties that were prattling on about what a shame it was that racists were shouting at poor John Lewis. They were simply amazed that anybody would question an obvious truth like that. One of them actually asked me why if I truly thought Lewis would lie about such a thing, and what motivation would he possibly have for doing so. After the call they both affirmed that they believed the incident took place simply because nobody has proven it didn't, as if that's where the burden should lie. Where are the videos your aides took on their cell phones, Mr. Lewis?

32 posted on 03/28/2010 12:53:42 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Minn

This looks like a tailor-made “incident” that the left loves to cook up. All they had to do is march the Dem pols through the already vocal protesters and then claim someone shouted a racial epithet. Lewis is a legitimate veteran of civil rights marches looked at the Tea Partiers and thought “the Klan is back.” Naturally Big Media is more than a willing accomplice to spread the lie.


33 posted on 03/28/2010 5:26:24 PM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: SmokingJoe; All
In my circle of folks who cannot stand Obama...
One is American Indian, one is Filipino, one is half Hispanic. Yeah, it's just whitey upset huh? LOL Let them be under this delusion then. They are in for a major shock in November.
34 posted on 03/28/2010 7:52:49 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Won’t be happy till circulation is down 70% !!!

Why so timid? How about 100%?


My bad.

Down to 100% ...


35 posted on 03/30/2010 11:45:37 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Grunthor

We know that won’t last long.

When premiums shoot through the roof, ‘bammy & crew will blame the “private businesses” and demand the “only solution” of single payer.

This is the intermediate goal.

The long term goal is to have the power to deny political opponents medical care.


36 posted on 03/30/2010 11:48:32 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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