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Start The Search For A Doctor Before The Stampede
Associated Press ^ | March 23, 2010 | Lauran Neergaard

Posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:30 AM PDT by Freedom Frayed

Better beat the crowd and find a doctor.

Primary care physicians already are in short supply in parts of the country, and the landmark health overhaul that will bring them millions more newly insured patients in the next few years promises extra strain.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; healthcare; medicine; obamacare; patients; physicians; socialisthealthcare

1 posted on 03/28/2010 8:01:31 AM PDT by Freedom Frayed
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To: Freedom Frayed

40% of doctors don’t accept Medicaid patients now. Obamacare adds 15 million to Medicaid rolls. 12% of doctors don’t accept Medicare patients. The reimbursement rates and controls don’t cover costs.


2 posted on 03/28/2010 8:03:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Freedom Frayed

All the surgeons I work with are planning to retire early, move to Costa Rica or Panama and are advising their kids not to go into medicine. The younger ones are afraid they’ll never pay off all the loans and are regretting their career choice. We are in a world of hurt and must fight to repeal this atrocity against America.


3 posted on 03/28/2010 8:05:44 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: Freedom Frayed

The new healthcare plan, like most socialist ideas, ignores a HUGE aspect of our existing healthcare sytem; incentives. What will motivate people to become doctors, or massive investment in research and development? The healthcare industry’s focus will now shift from innovation of new cures and treatments to figuring out how to extract more taxpayers’ dollars from the bureaucracy. That’s just a matter of corrupting more elected officials, which will prove to be alot simpler than finding a cure for cancer.


4 posted on 03/28/2010 8:14:25 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Spok

No problem; since preference will be given to inner city yoots, under the obama monstrosity, there’ll be plenty of rapper wannabees who will now be enrolling in med school.


5 posted on 03/28/2010 8:19:27 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Freedom Frayed

There is ONE pediatrician office in my THREE COUNTY AREA. One of them is fighting cancer and they have been trying for nearly a year to get another pediatrician because it’s virtually impossible to get a child in for a visit with one already understaffed office missing a doctor.

I can only imagine what this is going to do for that situation.


6 posted on 03/28/2010 8:30:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Spok

We do have a doctor shortage. This will aggravate it. But the main reason we have a doctor shortage is because of how medical schools operate. There are too few slots to meet the country’s needs and many people who are intelligent enough and who would make great doctors don’t get to because of the med school admission process.

It takes grades and test scores that get you into Ivy League quality schools in any other professional discipline to even be in competition for admission to the least prestigious of medical schools. That’s a national crisis.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 8:32:48 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: kabar

All Dr.s will be forced to accept all Government run health programs or face PRISON.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 8:35:08 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: DownInFlames

Make that debtors’ prison, because you can only go so far when you lose money on every sale you make.


9 posted on 03/28/2010 8:37:27 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Freedom Frayed

In ‘93 our wonderful but quite elderly doctor retired. I am almost 70 and my husband is 75 and we decided back then, that we should look for a doctor younger than ourselves so we wouldn’t be left without a doctor again. We tried several and finally found an internist who was quite young that we liked. He is now in his mid to late 40’s but we find out he is a liberal and in favor of Obamacare. I was upset and thought I wanted to find another doctor but now I am thinking we should stick with him and just not talk politics.


10 posted on 03/28/2010 8:46:36 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: DownInFlames
All Dr.s will be forced to accept all Government run health programs or face PRISON.
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And this will result in a 50% decrease in doctors. YAY!!!!!

But no worries, we will have affirmative action doctors at the ready!

My motto??

Eat right, exercise everyday and hope like hell you don't get into an accident or get some genetic disease.

Other than this, ObamaCare works JUST FINE!!

11 posted on 03/28/2010 8:48:37 AM PDT by purpleporter
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To: DownInFlames
All Dr.s will be forced to accept all Government run health programs or face PRISON.

They don't even have to go that far. All they have to do is make participation in Obamacare a requirement for licensure.

12 posted on 03/28/2010 8:54:39 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Ditter

Keep you doctor. What do you care what his politics are anyway? They will probably change in short order.


13 posted on 03/28/2010 8:56:22 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Freedom Frayed
Better beat the crowd and find a doctor.

And then wait in line to see him...44 days is the average here in Mass.

Something's wrong with my doc, though...I needed to see him last summer and got an appointment the same day. Could it have something to do with the fact that he refuses to take MassHealth (welfare)? Or that I have a high deductible, which means I paid cash?
14 posted on 03/28/2010 8:59:53 AM PDT by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: austingirl

I work with an Islamic American.

His attitude is that the doctors who refuse to work at lower rates should be put in prison until they cooperate, and all their assets confiscated.

I bet in private, The Kenyan scumbag thinks the same thing.


15 posted on 03/28/2010 9:01:13 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Ditter
We tried several and finally found an internist who was quite young that we liked. He is now in his mid to late 40’s but we find out he is a liberal and in favor of Obamacare. I was upset and thought I wanted to find another doctor but now I am thinking we should stick with him and just not talk politics.

If he's competent, keep him. I have a medical professional I see regularly and soon discovered he's a flamin' lib. We both silently agreed not to talk politics because he's supposed to help me with high blood pressure, and that was doing the opposite!
16 posted on 03/28/2010 9:02:54 AM PDT by LostInBayport (2010 - The Second American Revolution. The first shot was fired 1/19/2010 -- here in Massachusetts!)
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To: johniegrad
The only reason I care what his politics are is because I don’t think liberals are very smart. But I guess he can be smart about medicine and dumb about politics. So far he has been excellent in his medical advise and he came very highly recommended.
17 posted on 03/28/2010 9:10:06 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
” I am thinking we should stick with him and just not talk politics.”

Good idea. Just be sure he doesn't know YOUR politics, or you may be on his list of people from whom to withhold “non-essential” treatment, as they are incentivised under Obamacare to not treat people who require “too much” medical care, to save cost. In general it is a very good idea to not talk politics with your doctor, unless you are pretty sure that his/her views agree with yours.

18 posted on 03/28/2010 9:16:39 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: Freedom Frayed

I already have a GP for both me and hubby and I also have a specialist for my diabetes as well as an eye Dr. I see a few times a year. With all 3 at my next appointments I plan to discuss what happens if they decide to retire and if I will be turned over to one of the other doctors in their practices. I don’t want to be left without anyone.


19 posted on 03/28/2010 9:25:30 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: DownInFlames

What is the basis for your opinion?


20 posted on 03/28/2010 9:27:56 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

There is a similar situation with nursing schools. My friend’s husband had to maintain a 4.0 to get into an RN program (I know, because I helped him with his English papers to keep those grades up.) In the meantime, when we don’t have enough nurses in this country, we need to import nurses from the Phillipines and other countries. Why don’t we have enough nursing programs domestically?

I have heard (but haven’t done the research) that many of our med school slots are given to rich foreign nationals. Two of my brother’s best friends (sons of doctors who were both immigrants, themselves) could not get into medical school in-state. One of his friends is a genius- he started college at the age of 16. Both of them are very bright and high achievers.

In Germany, they let qualified Germans go to medical school (before foreigners) and they actually have a glut of doctors- they have so many that some of them moonlight in the UK on breaks (where they have a doctor shortage, as well.)

We vacationed in Germany when my daughter had a sudden ear problem. It was the day before a holiday, and my step-grandmother called up her ENT and got me a same day appointment in 4 hours. Yes, as a foreigner, I had to pay for it myself (it was not free!), but I was able to get in right away. I can guarantee that there is no way I could get a same day appointment with a specialist of any kind, here, and I have “Cadillac” insurance. (Not only did we get in right away, but he spent at least 20 minutes with us.)


21 posted on 03/28/2010 9:28:28 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Salvey

the Muslims will be our new doctors, just like in Canada and England


22 posted on 03/28/2010 9:46:55 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Ditter

My 85-year-old father sees a very talented doctor who couldn’t be a nicer person. However, I noticed that she has a signed picture of Steny Hoyer in her office. She might as well just hang a sign that says, “When it comes to public policy, I’m a dunce.”

Doctors are no different than so many others in the general population. They get busy with their professional and personal lives and either miss the policy details or don’t bother thinking them through — that is, until it affects them directly.


23 posted on 03/28/2010 9:53:01 AM PDT by sijay
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To: johniegrad

There is a good chance the mandates will be found unconstitutional and I doubt that zero could force physicians to accept Medicare, Medicaid and 0bamacare exchanges with the threat of a loss of licensure. Here is why:
1. They seek to cover 30 million more people beginning in 2014, but there is no provision to hire, import or train new doctors or providers. We also have an aging population that requires more treatment.
2. The medical homes will actually restrict access to specialists by providing primary care physicians and providers financial incentives to withhold referrals and advanced testing. As the article indicates, 65% of physicians are specialists. The specialists provide the bulk of advanced cardiac, cancer, musculo-skeletal care. The specialists do the heavy lifting and are directly responsible for improved disease outcomes. With reimbursement cuts to specialists, the demand for specialty care will be intense and efforts to prevent those specialists from opting out of some of the government programs via coercion will simply backfire big time.
3. It takes 4 years of med school, and another 4 years residency (in most cases) to practice medicine after college. Specialists take 6-7 years or longer AFTER Med School for cardiology, neurosurgery, orthopedics training. Even if a surge of college seniors went into Med School right away, you would have to wait at least 8 years for a primary care doc. But even more, there is not enough capacity at medical schools to accommodate any immediate surge of medical students.
4. Despite the poor economy, the interest in being a physician is waning. The August 09 IBD poll showed that 46% of current doctors are considering quitting or retiring early. Many children of doctors become doctors and many physicians are advising their kids to stay out of medicine.
5. Don’t count on nurses to get advanced practice degrees to pick up the slack. The median age of an RN is really starting to get up there and giving nurses some of the responsibilities of physicians will exacerbate the existing nursing shortage.

Beggars can’t be choosy. With 0bamacare, the government will be the beggar. Punishment will only accelerate the fight out physicians out of medicine.


24 posted on 03/28/2010 9:59:59 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: austingirl

“All the surgeons I work with are planning to retire early, move to Costa Rica or Panama and are advising their kids not to go into medicine.”

We hear this repeatedly on FR. Though I understand the frustrated reaction to the specter of Obamacare, am I alone in believing this defeatism stinks of cowardice?

Easy for me to say since I cannot escape to Costa Rica or Panama! Still I don’t like it and think it is more of a sign of decay than a healthy reaction: our Founders did not run from death and neither should we. “Save your own skin” has never been a manly creed, we should not be supporting it.


25 posted on 03/28/2010 10:04:32 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Freedom Frayed

Or, better yet, refuse the gov. mandate and find a doctor who will take cash payment.


26 posted on 03/28/2010 10:32:33 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: austingirl

We don’t have time to repeal it.
The political process is a joke.

Better to just ignore it and find your own doctor(s) and pay cash. It will fall under it’s own stupid weight.


27 posted on 03/28/2010 10:34:46 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: grumpygresh

The exception to your line of thinking, however, is that it has already been done. About 10 years ago, Massachusetts made participation in Medicaid/Medicare a condition of licensure. LOTS of docs left the state at that time. I am uncertain whether it remains a condition of licensure or not but it HAS been done previously.


28 posted on 03/28/2010 10:40:15 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: conservative cat

We don’t have enough nursing programs because they require the instructors to have a Master’s degree and they can make a whole lot more money in another arena than teaching. I would teach in nursing school in a heartbeat - I am an nurse and a teacher but supposedly I am not qualified to do so. Only have a BA in education and an associate’s degree in nursing.


29 posted on 03/28/2010 10:57:26 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: avenir

Anyone who values their life will find a private doctor among the ones starting concierge practices for primary care- but I don’t know what I’d do if I needed surgery - probably couldn’t afford private pay and I wouldn’t go to the government - they’ll have inferior practitioners.


30 posted on 03/28/2010 11:01:22 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: austingirl

Do you ave to have a Masters degree to teach in an AA program at a Community College?


31 posted on 03/28/2010 11:14:50 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: kabar

The guy from the American Legion said on C-Span a lot of drs won’t take Tricare patients either. Tricare For Life is our retired over 65 Military’s health ins...it is administered out of the same agency as Medicare.


32 posted on 03/28/2010 11:48:31 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Ditter

Maybe it’s just me, but if I’m going to put my life in the hands of my Doctor, I would start shopping for a new doctor pretty quickly if he/she made known to me his or her liberal political views.


33 posted on 03/28/2010 11:48:35 AM PDT by Freedom Frayed (Nothing is as much a threat to liberals as the truth, and those who speak it!)
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To: DownInFlames

CONSCRIPTION???????????????


34 posted on 03/28/2010 11:51:02 AM PDT by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: johniegrad

True, you may be able to make this a condition of licensure at the state level, but doesn’t guarantee an appointment. In the UK, at least a few years ago, physicians could set aside time for private paying patients and then overbook the other days with the public patients.
Unless medical licenses were federalized, some states would elect not to force physicians to accept government insured patients as a way to attract physicians.
Anyways, the old Soviet adage will always prevail “you pretend to pay and I’ll pretend to work” Physicians working under coercion will not perform very well. Just imagine how some of these office visits would go. Sorry, nothing I can do for you, the operation would be too dangerous and you could suffer harm or die. Here, take some morphine and I’ll send you for a second opinion. There is something open in 6 months. Or how about this: you were nasty to the staff and I will have to discharge you, here is your 30 day notice and a list of other providers. There will be almost no appetite among physicians for ANY risk, difficult patients, or difficult procedures.


35 posted on 03/28/2010 12:55:16 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Lorianne

Use an alias, state that you are uninsured (at least until 2014) or state that you are not a citizen. If you do pull out a government insurance card, you’ve blown it. The rules have not been written, but I do not think there will be a requirement that a physician or provider must verify identification as a condition for treatment. After all, the Leftists want to get the illegal aliens insurance coverage through driver licences.
Obviously, you will need cash; credit cards, checks or money orders will not do. Welcome to Gray market medicine!


36 posted on 03/28/2010 1:03:54 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Lorianne

Is there a directory of concierge doctors?

Or as a good capitalist protect, create one.


37 posted on 03/28/2010 6:15:58 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: BnBlFlag

Yes, that is my understanding. I could possibly be an assistant lecturer or clinical instructor. Are you an RN?


38 posted on 03/29/2010 5:16:35 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: austingirl

“Are you an RN?”

No. But I used to be a Paramedic.


39 posted on 03/29/2010 5:22:26 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: grumpygresh

.....Obviously, you will need cash.....

Back in the seventies, I had a good customer who was a physician and who needed my products at home and at his office. He was slow to pay. I called him to collect and he told me to just bring the invoice to the office and his receprionist would pay me.

I did that and was told they were out of money and to come back. She kept all the cash payments from patients in a box and when it was gone, she couldn’t pay bills.


40 posted on 03/29/2010 5:38:46 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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