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Scientists Call for 'Climate Intervention' Research With 'Humility'
ScienceInsider ^ | March 26, 2010 | Eli Kintisch

Posted on 03/28/2010 10:45:02 AM PDT by neverdem

PACIFIC GROVE, CALIFORNIA—An international group of scientists, ethicists, and governance experts meeting here this week has agreed that research into large-scale modification of the planet is "indispensable" given the "threats" posed by climate change.

"It is thus important to initiate further research in the natural and social sciences to better understand and communicate whether alternative strategies to moderate future climate change are, or are not, viable, appropriate, and ethical," declares a statement by the organizing committee released today at the close of the conference. "Further discussions [on geoengineering] must involve government and civil society."

The statement capped a 5-day meeting on geoengineering, the idea of deliberate tinkering with the climate to reduce global warming. More than 175 scientists from 15 countries spanning the geosciences, ethics, business, and political science, convened on the leafy grounds of the Asilomar Conference Center along the Pacific Ocean in Northern California. Molecular biologist met here 35 years ago to hash out initial ethical and safety rules on recombinant DNA. So researchers dubbed this meeting "Asilomar 2."

Scientists emphasized that they are not saying whether large-scale geoengineering to combat climate change is needed—or if it is morally acceptable. Indeed, the statement urged that any discussion of the topic should be undertaken with "humility." But virtually all agreed that research into even the most radical methods should expand in case governments decide to act at some point. As Daniel Rosenfeld of Hebrew University in Jerusalem told ScienceInsider, "We are very late in the game. We have to do everything we can, and it still may not be enough."

But even just studying geoengineering on a small or medium scale presents a variety of risks. The 1975 confab grappled with the dual opportunities and dangers of recombinant DNA technology. By the same token, participants here struggled to balance the dangers with its potential for helping humanity stave off the worst effects of climate change. Reflecting a persistent tendency of participants to cite medical ethics, Princeton University energy expert Robert Socolow quoted from Hippocrates on "avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism."

The meeting began with 2 days of general sessions on scientific, ethical, and governance issues. Participants then split into groups representing the two broad kinds of geoengineering: methods which block solar radiation from the sun, like spreading aerosols in the stratosphere, and techniques to remove carbon from the atmosphere, like growing algae blooms at sea.

A major concern of participants was that talk about geoengineering could further slow flagging efforts to slow carbon emissions. "The risks posed by climate change require a strong commitment to mitigation of greenhouse gas emissions," as well as adaptation and energy research, the statement said.

But concerns about how geoengineering might be applied should not forestall research or even field tests, most scientists felt. Since geoengineering experiments might have global impacts, participants emphasized the importance of setting up international ways to govern the experiments. Without such a body, irresponsible scientists might do "jurisdiction shopping," warned Edward Parson of the University of Michigan Law School in Ann Arbor.

Structuring such an entity was a contentious topic, however. Should every country have a seat at the table? On the second day of the conference, former ambassador Richard Benedick proposed a 15-member executive council of countries to oversee global geoengineering work, admitting that the "quixotic" idea would be controversial among any country not represented. Although a number of scientists scoffed at his suggestion, Benedick said he was worried that a governing structure that involved all countries would be "impossibly unwieldy" and block crucial scientific progress.

The scientists and other experts here hope their efforts will shape the way the public perceives the wild idea of geoengineering. But they agreed that theirs isn't the only voice that should be heard. "It simply is not up to us whether these field trials go forward," said David Morrow, an ethicist completing his graduate studies at the University of Chicago in Illinois.

Participants noted that the public's regard for climate scientists has dropped in recent months following a release of e-mails between prominent researchers and the discovery of a handful of errors in the 2007 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. "If they're not believing our ideas about climate, they're definitely not going to trust us when we are talking about managing the planet," said Ken Denman of the Canadian Centre for Climate Modeling and Analysis.

A vexing question for participants was the role of commercial companies in this controversial field. A breakout group devoted to the idea of blocking sunlight—by whitening clouds or the ocean surface, for example—couldn't agree on whether it should propose barring for-profit companies from the enterprise.

Indeed, the organizer of the conference, the Climate Response Fund (CRF), itself faced questions about links between its officials and Climos, a commercial company that was founded in 2006 seeking to conduct iron fertilization experiments at sea and sell carbon credits to fund the work. CRF's head Margaret Leinen is the former top scientist with the firm, and her son is its CEO; she says she has severed "all financial ties" with the company.

Prominent geoengineering expert Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Stanford, California, said he was "concerned with possible conflicts of interest related to the profit motive," and chose not to attend after Leinen declined to say categorically that her organization would never support field research into geoengineering. But David Keith of the University of Calgary in Canada decided to attend after the Climate Response Fund issued a statement that declared that it would not do so.

More detailed materials from the conference are expected, including the possibility of voluntary guidelines for specific geoengineering approaches. Some felt the best name for this event was "Asilomar 2.1", suggesting that more meetings to hone geoengineering research guidelines will be necessary. "Asilomar 3 will be in another 30 years, for the next discipline," predicted Princeton's Socolow in a plenary talk on the final night.


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1 posted on 03/28/2010 10:45:02 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
geo-engineering = crackpot sh*t.
2 posted on 03/28/2010 10:46:19 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: neverdem

Billions waisted already, your tax money being flushed.


3 posted on 03/28/2010 10:47:09 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: neverdem

Translation: I really need a bigger boat, and a few more global warmscam grants would do the trick!


4 posted on 03/28/2010 10:47:36 AM PDT by Jagman (End income inequality: cut gov worker pay!)
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To: neverdem

I notice there’s no mention of humility about whether they fully understand the mechanisms of the planet and can therefore predict how changes in CO2 will affect the climate.


5 posted on 03/28/2010 10:48:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: hinckley buzzard

Freeman Dyson suggested that simple land manangement efforts is all that is necessary. Some fairly benign stuff could shut the effers up about C02 forever.

Or even genetically designed plants that absorb more C02.

I like ways that do not impact the economy, and could shut the SOB’s up about C02.


6 posted on 03/28/2010 10:51:54 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: neverdem

And I suggest that we do our best to stop the whales from congregating near the beach in Mexico. It’s just wrong.

Can I prove it’s wrong? No, but it just is.

Man didn’t cause it, but man has to stop it.

Now, let’s get to work...


7 posted on 03/28/2010 10:54:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Novemberrrrrr.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2477039/posts?page=16#16)
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To: hinckley buzzard; boomop1; Jagman; Sherman Logan

Don’t worry. Everything will be OK because it will be done by non-profits.

I almost wish the next overdue ice age would come just to show these idiots what fools they sound like.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 10:55:06 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Who ever thinks that man can intervene in the climate is just a plain idiot, moron, and fool all rolled into one. It doesn’t matter if they have a Ph.D. or ten of them.


9 posted on 03/28/2010 10:55:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: neverdem
Molecular biologist met here 35 years ago to hash out initial ethical and safety rules on recombinant DNA

Didn't they agree on no scientific cloning? Whew, glad to see they kept their word.

10 posted on 03/28/2010 10:57:06 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: neverdem

Times is hard. Good gigs are hard to find. Especially if you are a “climate scientist”.


11 posted on 03/28/2010 11:05:29 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We've got an expanding, fat porker government demanding that WE get skinny! I don't get it!)
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To: neverdem

Four things need to be proven before taking any action on global warming:

1) Is global warming real?
2) Is it man-made?
3) Is it bad?
4) Can we do any thing about it?

Thinking people are still stuck on step 1 and these loons are already on to step 4.


12 posted on 03/28/2010 11:10:09 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: neverdem

Political panhandlers masquerading as scientists.


13 posted on 03/28/2010 11:14:28 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Brought to us by the same folks who thought kudzu would be a terrific erosion control technique in the South.


14 posted on 03/28/2010 11:18:10 AM PDT by dogcaller
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To: hinckley buzzard

geo-engineering = crackpot sh*t.


Does everyone know how fancy this place is?

And how much 5 days there must have cost?

And who paid????????????????????????


Why do they always need to meet on Bali or in Beverly Hills?

Why not camp out for 5 days down by the RR tracks with the homeless?

Before GW makes ‘em angry .........

What rot!

Suckin’ off the government, never had a real job in their lives, fake science, being a community organizer, teaching people how to get more freebies from the government by mau mauing the flakcatchers, suing Citibank for fake “discrimination” .....

Ooooops

Sorry

That was our President that I started talking about .............

but pretty much the same thing.


15 posted on 03/28/2010 11:27:08 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: neverdem

One would have thought that this work would have been done before we endeavor on major changes to our economic systems


16 posted on 03/28/2010 11:28:17 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: dogcaller

I hate that stuff! I used to live in Atlanta and that stuff just couldn’t be beaten back without a lot of effort.


17 posted on 03/28/2010 11:36:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: neverdem

Mad scientists out of the loony bin....


18 posted on 03/28/2010 11:59:23 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: hinckley buzzard

ObamaCare for the Planet?


19 posted on 03/28/2010 12:09:16 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Parse every sentence uttered by a politician)
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To: neverdem

I say we set a reminder to revisit the issue after the current, tainted crop of “scientists” dies off.


20 posted on 03/28/2010 12:33:50 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: neverdem

Who cares about their humility? How about their INTEGRITY????

Even if man-made global warming exists, which I doubt, I would rather burn to a crisp where I sit than to submit to their deceitful control tactics.


21 posted on 03/28/2010 2:35:22 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Amagi; Beowulf; Tunehead54; Clive; Fractal Trader; tubebender; marvlus; Genesis defender; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

22 posted on 03/28/2010 3:54:55 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: steelyourfaith; Carry_Okie

Monterey and Pacific Grove are seperated by a street...

For your info:

New Monterey Bay Aquarium exhibit highlights shift from education to advocacy

In 2004, the aquarium’s board changed its nonprofit status to allow lobbying.

They’ll be asked to type letters at kiosks urging their senators to pass a global warming law.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_14777208?source=rss


23 posted on 03/29/2010 7:47:02 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: neverdem
The meeting began with 2 days of general sessions on scientific, ethical, and governance issues.

King for a day. I never cease to be amazed at the arrogance of the scientific community, especially considering how many times the "consensus opinion" has been so terribly wrong.

24 posted on 03/29/2010 10:10:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Democrats were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: sasquatch
Thanx !
25 posted on 03/30/2010 4:50:21 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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