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Posted on 03/28/2010 3:00:13 PM PDT by RED SOUTH

Palin is helping McCain. Doesn't make her a rino anymore than Reagan was a rino when he helped rino's in 78. Yes , he did.

Anyway , would you rather have Mitt , Huck or Pawlenty? Your choices are probally down to the four or you can sit out again and help that pig Obama get another term.

Forget about crossing your fingers for some fantasy of another canidate emerging from somewhere else to save the day. If you do not have a pac raising money now and are active by campaigning and collecting you I.O.U's , then you will be too far behind to mount a serious run later. Only four republicans are this far in the process.

Another point to think about , Palin probally did this as part of a larger strategy. To middle America , people who don't identify strictly to party or ideology but usually decide the election , seeing Palin and McCain together was a nice contrast to Obama and Pelosi and a lot of them voted for Obama have huge regrets and after seeing Palin and Mccain together , wished they had voted the other way. I am talking about Reagan democrats who voted for Perot and have been the swing vote that decides elections.


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1 posted on 03/28/2010 3:00:13 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: RED SOUTH

It’s only right that she help him, and if he loses Hayworth will be a good replacement. McCain has been fighting Obama ever since the election.


2 posted on 03/28/2010 3:01:29 PM PDT by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: RED SOUTH

We’re pretty much dead in the water - I had some hope until yesterday but seeing the adverse reaction to Sarah Palin’s appearance kind of leaves me cold.


3 posted on 03/28/2010 3:02:07 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: RED SOUTH

If she turned her back on him after he chose her as his running mate, it would reflect poorly on her, not him.


4 posted on 03/28/2010 3:03:47 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Chi-townChief
seeing the adverse reaction to Sarah Palin’s appearance kind of leaves me cold.

Where?

5 posted on 03/28/2010 3:04:05 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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??????? I don't understand what you mean about 'adverse' reaction. You're talking about the media? Or are you talking about conservatives. Your 'dead in the water' comment points to the latter. And, in that regard you and I are on far opposite poles, my FRiend....

I watched her entire speech online, and apart from a less-than-mellow voice, everything she spoke was truth, and in truth, there is no adversity - at least for the honest.

6 posted on 03/28/2010 3:05:51 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Chi-townChief

We are not dead in the water. We are going to nominate the most conservative canidate we have , who is set on reversing Obamacare and reducing the size of government. The one who said today republicans need to stop holding hands with democrats which is all Bush did for 8 years.
Plus , if McCain makes it , i do not think he will be the same guy reaching across. He has seen the true face of the communist he has helped and i think he regrets what he’s done and probally feels stupid for it.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 3:05:53 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: RED SOUTH

Only Liberal RINOs trash Ronald Reagan to justify Sarah Palin supporting John Hussein McBama.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 3:06:17 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: RED SOUTH

If she runs again with him as a vp candidate shes a fool.


9 posted on 03/28/2010 3:07:09 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: RED SOUTH

Maybe McCain can OWE Palin a few IOUs if he manages to survive ?
Palin is just buying favors and if you are a Palin Supporter, McCain owes you one.
Not a bad situation, Influence peddling by Tea Partiers is good.


10 posted on 03/28/2010 3:08:56 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: RED SOUTH
The one who said today republicans need to stop holding hands with democrats...

Who is it that said this today, please?

11 posted on 03/28/2010 3:09:29 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: RED SOUTH

In 1980 , Bush sr was the stop Reagan canidate in the race with ford setting on the sideline ready to get in if Bush failed. They said Reagan was to stupid to be President , was just an actor who was a puppet for other people. They said Reagan could not win. They called him dangerous , ect.
This is all shades of what we hear about Palin today. Their real problem was that he didn’t go to Yale or Harvard and was from Maint Street. The republican party and media hated Reagan for the same reasons they hate Palin.


12 posted on 03/28/2010 3:10:00 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: RED SOUTH

A detailed history of his voting JUST on amnesty…

2007: Voted on Senate floor in favor of motion to invoke cloture on S. 1639, a bill to reward illegal aliens with amnesty Sen. McCain voted in favor of a second motion to invoke cloture on S. 1639 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Edward Kennedy), a bill to reward up to 6 million illegal aliens with amnesty. The motion to invoke cloture would have limited further debate on the bill and moved it to a final vote. A vote for cloture was effectively a vote in favor of passing the amnesty-guestworker bill. The motion to invoke cloture failed by a vote of 46 to 53.

2007: Voted on Senate floor in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens Sen. McCain voted in favor of a motion to invoke cloture on S. 1639 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Edward Kennedy), a bill to reward illegal aliens with amnesty. The motion to invoke cloture was a move to initiate debate on the proposal and limit further discussion of amendments to a previously-agreed upon set of proposals — thus a vote against cloture was effectively a vote in favor of killing the amnesty-guestworker bill. The motion to invoke cloture passed by a vote of 64 to 35.

2007: Voted on Senate floor against reducing amnesties for illegal aliens Sen. McCain voted in favor of a motion to invoke cloture on the substitute amendment (SA 1150) to S. 1348, a bill to reward illegal aliens with amnesty. The motion to invoke cloture would have ended debate on the proposal and limited further discussion of amendments to a previously-agreed upon set of proposals — thus a vote in favor of cloture was effectively a vote in favor of the amnesty-guestworker bill. The motion to invoke cloture failed by a vote of 45 to 50.

2007: Voted on Senate floor in favor of amendment to create a disincentive to apply for amnesty Sen. McCain voted in favor of the Cornyn Amendment (SA 1250) to S. 1348 to discourage applicants from applying for amnesty by eliminating the provisions protecting the confidentiality of the information contained in amnesty applications and, instead, requires the sharing of application-related information upon the request of a law enforcement agency, intelligence, or national security agency, or DHS component when requested in connection with a duly-authorized investigation of a civil violation. The Cornyn Amendment passed by a vote of 57 to 39.

2007: Voted on Senate floor against amendment to bar certain criminals from amnesty Sen. McCain voted against the Cornyn Amendment (SA 1184) to S. 1385 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Harry Reid) to bar criminal aliens from receiving amnesty. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff has estimated that 15% of illegal aliens are criminals. The Cornyn Amendment failed by a vote of 46 to 51.

2007: Voted against amendment to strip amnesty provisions from S. 1348 in 2007 Sen. McCain voted against the Vitter Amendment to strip the amnesty provisions from S. 1348 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Harry Reid). The Vitter Amendment failed by a vote of 29 to 66.

2007: Cosponsoring S. 774 to reward illegal aliens with amnesty S. 774 (whose main sponsor is Sen. Dick Durbin) would reward illegal aliens under the age of 21 who have been physically present in the country for five years and are in 7th grade or above with amnesty. An estimated 500,000 to 600,000 illegal aliens would qualify for this amnesty.

2007: Cosponsoring S. 340 to grant amnesty to illegal aliens (AgJOBS) Sen. McCain is a cosponsor of S. 340 (whose main sponsor is Sen. Dianne Feinstein) to encourage more illegal immigration by rewarding certain illegal aliens who work in agriculture with amnesty.

2006: Voted on Senate floor in favor of S. 2611 to reward illegal aliens with amnesty Sen. McCain voted in favor of final passage of S. 2611 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Arlen Specter) which includes an amnesty (both immediate and deferred) for 10.2 million illegal aliens (6.7 million illegal alien workers and 3.5 million illegal alien spouses and/children). S. 2611 passed by a vote of 62 to 36.

2006: Voted in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens Sen. McCain voted in favor of a motion to invoke cloture on S. 2611 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Arlen Specter) which includes an amnesty (both immediate and deferred) for 10.2 million illegal aliens (6.7 million illegal alien workers and 3.5 million illegal alien spouses and/children). The motion to invoke cloture passed by a vote of 73 to 25.

2006: Voted against amendment to reward 2 million illegal aliens with amnesty Sen. McCain voted against the Feinstein Amendment to S. 2611 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Arlen Specter) to create an “orange card” that would allow an estimated two million illegal aliens to pay a fine, and after 6-8 years, adjust to Lawful Permanent Resident status. The Feinstein Amendment failed by a vote of 37 to 61 .

2006: Voted against amendment to kill amnesty provisions Sen. McCain voted against the Vitter amendment (SA 3963) to S. 2611 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Arlen Specter) to remove provisions authorizing the “earned legalization” and “agricultural worker” amnesty schemes that would grant amnesty to an estimated 16 million illegal aliens and their families (according to a May, 2006 study by the Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector). The Vitter amendment failed by a vote of 33 to 66.

2006: Voted against procedural move to reward illegal aliens with amnesty Sen. McCain voted against cloture on SA 3424, a “compromise amnesty” proposal by Sens. Hagel (R-NE) and Martinez (R-FL). The purpose of voting against allowing a final vote on this proposal varied from Senator to Senator, with many of them favoring the proposal but not willing to bring it up without a lot of votes on amendments. At the least, those voting against cloture were insisting on a chance for opponents of the bill to make their case with amendments. The Hagel-Martinez proposal would reward illegal aliens with amnesty. S. 2611 includes an amnesty (both immediate and deferred) for 10.2 million illegal aliens (6.7 million illegal alien workers and 3.5 million illegal alien spouses and/children). The cloture motion failed by a vote of 38 to 60.

2005-2006: Cosponsored S. 2075 to reward illegal aliens with amnesty S. 2075 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Dick Durbin) would reward illegal aliens under the age of 21 who have been physically present in the country for five years and are in 7th grade or above with amnesty. An estimated 500,000 to 600,000 illegal aliens would qualify for this amnesty. The bill died in the Judiciary Committee.

2005-2006: Cosponsored S. 1033 to reward illegal aliens with amnesty Sen. McCain was a cosponsor of S. 1033 to reward virtually all illegal aliens (except those with criminal records or terrorist connections) with amnesty. This could potentially reward 9 million illegal aliens with amnesty. This bill died in the Judiciary Committee.

2005: Voted in favor of amnesty for agricultural workers Sen. McCain voted to invoke cloture, a procedural move requiring 60 votes to limit debate and ensure a vote on the AgJOBS amnesty amendment for up to 3 million illegal aliens, introduced by Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID), to the Iraq supplemental spending bill. The Senate voted 53 to 45 not to invoke cloture, effectively keeping the amnesty off of the final bill.

2005-2006: Cosponsored S. 359 to grant amnesty to illegal aliens Sen. McCain was a cosponsor of S. 359 to encourage more illegal immigration by rewarding certain illegal aliens who work in agriculture with amnesty.

2003-2004: Cosponsored S. 1645 to grant amnesty to illegal aliens Sen. McCain cosponsored S. 1645 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Larry Craig) to encourage more illegal immigration by rewarding certain illegal aliens who work in agriculture with amnesty. This bill died in the Judiciary Committee.

2003-2004: Cosponsored S. 1545 to reward illegal aliens with amnesty S. 1545 would have rewarded illegal aliens under the age of 21 who have been physically present in the country for five years and are in 7th grade or above with amnesty. An estimated 500,000 to 600,000 illegal aliens would have qualified for this amnesty.

2003-2004: Cosponsored S. 1461 to encourage reward illegal aliens with amnesty Sen. McCain cosponsored S. 1461, to create a legalization process for almost all illegal aliens who will then be eligible for green cards after 6 years. Amnesty has been shown to increase rates of illegal immigration. The bill did not come to a vote.

2000: Voted against an illegal immigration amnesty. Sen. McCain voted against including an amnesty for illegal aliens from Central America in the Senate H-1B bill (S.2045). This not necessarily a vote against the amnesty, but rather a vote against including it in the H-1B legislation. The move to attach the amnesty failed 43-55.

1997: Voted for an amnesty to illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba. Sen. McCain voted for a procedural move that helped allow the Mack Amendment to be included in S.1156 (the District of Columbia Appropriations bill). This amendment granted amnesty to illegal aliens from Nicaragua and Cuba and is expected to add close to one million people to U.S. population. 96 N/A N/A

1990: Voted for a bill that included an amnesty. Sen. McCain supported S.358 (whose main sponsor was Sen. Edward Kennedy), which provided an amnesty for up to 165,000 spouses and minor children of illegal aliens who were granted amnesty in 1986. Ultimately, the 1990 bill passed 81-17.

Jesus (pronounced Hey-zeuss)himself has apparently endorsed MXcain .


13 posted on 03/28/2010 3:10:18 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: RED SOUTH

Palin said that today , quit holding hands with democrats.
also , noone is saying Mccain/Palin should run again together for PRESIDENT. Mccain won’t be on the ticket next time...


14 posted on 03/28/2010 3:12:07 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: RED SOUTH
Mitt , Huck or Pawlenty?

I'm sorry, I must have missed where any of them had declared a candidacy.

Or Palin either.

Bit early, don't you think?

15 posted on 03/28/2010 3:13:30 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: DainBramage

???

Not sure where you get that thought. The McCain/Palin in ‘08 should have been flipped. Too few wanted McCain - Sarah brought in the votes. VP for Sarah is out of the picture and should have been in ‘08. She’s presidential material!


16 posted on 03/28/2010 3:13:40 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RED SOUTH

“Plus , if McCain makes it , i do not think he will be the same guy reaching across. “

Of course he will be. He’ll return to being the same liberal he’s been for years.

“He has seen the true face of the communist he has helped and i think he regrets what he’s done and probally feels stupid for it.”

Then he should resign.


17 posted on 03/28/2010 3:15:30 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: RED SOUTH

Haley Barbour would be a great president...it’s still early.


18 posted on 03/28/2010 3:17:59 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: humblegunner

It could be beer.


20 posted on 03/28/2010 3:19:53 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously! No moobs, please.)
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To: humblegunner
Bit early, don't you think?

Mitt doesn't think so. Besides, you know exactly what the poster meant - potential candidates. I'll add one more - Paul Ryan. So there!

Some of us are ready, the rest who think it's too early, can go back to sleep. The ready ones will sleep after the conservative Inaugurational Ball.
21 posted on 03/28/2010 3:20:01 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RED SOUTH

Let them read and weep while we leave them in the dust.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2481876/posts?page=12


22 posted on 03/28/2010 3:20:38 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin: :"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: RED SOUTH
Palin is helping McCain. Doesn't make her a rino anymore than Reagan was a rino when he helped rino's in 78. Yes , he did.

Reagan helped RINOs who were running against proven conservatives?

23 posted on 03/28/2010 3:23:19 PM PDT by Will88
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To: RED SOUTH
I suspect the next POTUS will be determined by Sarah Palin, and she intends no Zer0.
24 posted on 03/28/2010 3:24:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: presently no screen name
Besides, you know exactly what the poster meant

Meant, schmeant.

He portrays conservatives as illiterates.

Not good. Not anywhere.

25 posted on 03/28/2010 3:27:05 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Or a confundus curse.


26 posted on 03/28/2010 3:27:39 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: presently no screen name
If you think McCain would run as a vp your nuts. Hopefully he agrees he's too old.

Im not so sure shes prez material yet.

She for sure is a great spokesperson for conservatives. She has so much baggage she really has to keep sharp.

27 posted on 03/28/2010 3:28:46 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Will88
Well, come on guys, keep this daily Rino,Palin,McCain, and all potential 2012 presidential candidate fight going. I am bored, this keeps me entertained.

Geez, can't we at least have 500 posts?

28 posted on 03/28/2010 3:29:40 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: presently no screen name

Oops, wrong post. Illiteracy accusation retracted.

Still too early, though.


29 posted on 03/28/2010 3:29:43 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Damn HG!

Why are you still banned?

LOL!


30 posted on 03/28/2010 3:30:31 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: humblegunner; RED SOUTH
Surely you realize that the words of an illiterate carry little weight?

HG: Remember who turned your world upside down - and will continue to do so - and he is ILLITERATE!

RS - the humble one goes into correction mode on spelling when he's on a site and has nothing to offer but angst. It's his mo (words of illiterate carry little weigh). I'd advise do it often - it gives grumpy something to do and makes him feel relevant.


31 posted on 03/28/2010 3:31:20 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RED SOUTH

Comparing Reagan to Palin ain’t gonna cut it. There is no comparison.


32 posted on 03/28/2010 3:34:18 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: RED SOUTH

By supporting McCain, Palin demonstrates that she supports his kind of politics. She has a tendency of creating an atmosphere of isolation around her like Hillary. You either love her 100% or you hate her 100%. By supporting McLame, I have to say I lost some support for her.

On the other hand, I think Michelle Bachmann is going to be a force to reckoned with. If Bachmann chooses to run, thats where my vote goes, without a second thought.


33 posted on 03/28/2010 3:34:58 PM PDT by scoobysnak71 (I'm light skinned with no negro dialect. Could you milk me?)
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To: RED SOUTH

I agree. Please, folks, let’s not tear each other apart. A weak Republican (or RINO as some folks like to say) who can win is better than a left-wing Anti-American Democrat, who ignores the majority of this country.

Please, this is critically important. We can’t afford more politicians like Obama. We cannot afford to split the Republican vote - just become someone is not a pure Conservative does not mean he or she should be tossed out or ignored. If the more conservative candidate cannot win and siphons votes from the less conservative candidate who has a greater chance of winning, then you are, in effect, allowing a left-wing Democrat to win, which is something we cannot afford as a country.


34 posted on 03/28/2010 3:37:20 PM PDT by BlackFemaleConservative
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To: presently no screen name
Remember who turned your world upside down

Who?

35 posted on 03/28/2010 3:40:07 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: DainBramage

I’m nuts? You started this about mccain running again for pres, NOT ME!! Why do you think I posted ‘???”!

Sarah is SHARP with guts and glory included. And there isn’t one thing anyone can do about it - other than be p*ssed off that it isn’t them who has those traits - and for some, that it is a woman - that gets their diapers all wee wee’d up!

It’s fun to watch people’s inner problems surface when Sarah’s name is spoken.


36 posted on 03/28/2010 3:41:30 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Randy Larsen
Why are you still banned?

Bad behavior, mouthing off to the mods, overcooking the pasta, leaving the seat down..

Heck, pick one!

37 posted on 03/28/2010 3:41:48 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner; Randy Larsen
Bad behavior, mouthing off to the mods, overcooking the pasta, leaving the seat down..

Blowing up fruit, building huts with snakes in them...

38 posted on 03/28/2010 3:43:19 PM PDT by Allegra (SEIU delenda est)
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To: humblegunner

Playing dumb is your #2 mo. I was going to add - next you will play dumb and say ‘who’? You think you might be transparent?


39 posted on 03/28/2010 3:45:13 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RED SOUTH

Let’s not tear each other a part. A weak Republican is better for this country than a Democrat who is a Socialist, like Obama. We cannot afford to split the votes between pure conservatives and those who are not as pure. If we continue to do that left-wing Democrats will win by default, which this country cannot afford - economically or otherwise.


40 posted on 03/28/2010 3:45:22 PM PDT by BlackFemaleConservative
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To: RED SOUTH

Personally, I love John Boehner. Maybe as VP to Sarah.


41 posted on 03/28/2010 3:46:15 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: RED SOUTH

duh, if Obozo continues to be Obozo, the GOP can run Barney the purple dinosaur...and the GOP knows it. That is why you will get a RINO.


42 posted on 03/28/2010 3:46:28 PM PDT by dforest
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To: BlackFemaleConservative

>”allowing a left-wing Democrat to win, “

And, if you elect a RINO, you are just allowing a Center leaning Democrat into office. Independents, Socialists, Green Part, Communists, (what else do we have here ... ) Ron Paul supporters, RINOs, blah blah blah, here is the deal.

If you don’t vote 100% conservative, YOU ARE A LIBERAL!

Remember this.

It wasn’t the Liberals that elected nObama. They vote that way ALL the time. (Non players)

It wasn’t the Conservatives that elected nObama. They vote that way ALL the time. (Non players)

It was the so-called INDEPENDENTS that put that SOB in office.


43 posted on 03/28/2010 3:47:59 PM PDT by scoobysnak71 (I'm light skinned with no negro dialect. Could you milk me?)
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To: presently no screen name

No, really.. who turned my world upside down?


44 posted on 03/28/2010 3:50:22 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: presently no screen name
I’m nuts? You started this about mccain running again for pres,

You do have a point there. I hope....

45 posted on 03/28/2010 3:50:56 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: indylindy
the GOP can run Barney the purple dinosaur...and the GOP knows it. That is why you will get a RINO.

The country isn't looking/relying/voting for run of the mill any longer and aren't willing to take what is given. We the People are standing up and it started w/the town hall meetings, tea parties, etc. Status quo is OUT and both side of the aisle KNOW that!
46 posted on 03/28/2010 3:51:39 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Allegra
Blowing up fruit, building huts with snakes in them...

Well technically the snake was in the building materials, not the hut.

But I get the point. And the snakebite.

47 posted on 03/28/2010 3:52:19 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: presently no screen name

Okay, whatever you think, L guess I can accept the next RINO as a true blue conservative who backs McCain as well as the next guy.

I know I won’t vote for Obama.


48 posted on 03/28/2010 3:55:57 PM PDT by dforest
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To: RED SOUTH

No, we aren’t dead in the water, but the middle as you cann them, are fast disappearing, a dying breed in this highly toxic environment we find ourselves in. The more the left pushes left, middle of the road folks, with the exception of the likes of Mrs and Jr. McCain, the middle pushes right, just as hard. Lessons hard learned.


49 posted on 03/28/2010 3:56:05 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RED SOUTH
I just enjoyed (as Sarah must have) listening to the thousands chanting, "Sarah, Sarah, Sarah" and the shoe being on the OTHER foot, and watching the look on Cindy's face as Sarah was popular at the podium, dressed in leathers ------truly a great last laugh.

That said....HAYWORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

50 posted on 03/28/2010 3:59:13 PM PDT by NordP (COMMON SENSE CONSERVATIVES - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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