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FBI agents conduct raids in Mich., Ohio, Ind.
AP ^ | 3-28-10 | By MIKE HOUSEHOLDER

Posted on 03/28/2010 4:18:34 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich

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To: Dead Corpse

This smells.......


51 posted on 03/28/2010 5:01:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: barb-tex

The bible’s word on this is “he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Not “he who wins a military victory will be saved.”


52 posted on 03/28/2010 5:04:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: MileHi
probing tactics

That's my first thought too. Who will rise to take the bait. This regime is poking, prodding and instigating. Poke a stick into a tiger's cage long enough and you get bit.

53 posted on 03/28/2010 5:05:11 PM PDT by j.argese
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Feebie plant: Hey... Make some pipe bombs for me.
Militiamen: No. Piss off...
Feebie: Come on. I got a buyer...
Militiamen: Who would be stupid enough?
Feebie: Come on. We'll get $1000 a piece for 'em. Promise!
Militimen: No sh*t? We could upgrade to ACGOS for that. Ok... But just a couple.

Tell me it couldn't happen just like that...

54 posted on 03/28/2010 5:06:15 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

meow!


55 posted on 03/28/2010 5:06:30 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Touch Not the Cat

Why?

From: Detroit New

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100328/METRO/3280313/1361/Seven-arrested-in-FBI-raids-linked-to-Christian-militia-group

“Sources have said the FBI was in the second day of raids around the southeastern Michigan city of Adrian that are connected to a militia group, known as the Hutaree, an Adrian-based group whose members describe themselves as Christian soldiers preparing for the arrival and battle with the anti-Christ.”

“WXYZ-TV reports that helicopters were spotted in the sky for much of Saturday night, and agents set up checkpoints throughout the area. Witnesses told the station that it was like a small army had descended on the area. The Department of Homeland Security and the Joint Terrorism Task Force are also involved in the raids.”

“Mike Lackomar, of Michiganmilitia.com, said both The Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia and the Michiganmilitia.com were not a part of the raid.”

“Lackomar said he heard from other militia members that the FBI targeted the Hutaree after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.”

“Last night and into today the FBI conducted a raid against homes belonging to the Hutaree. They are a religious cult. They are not part of our militia community,” he said.”

“Lackomar said he was told there were five arrests Saturday and another five early Sunday. The FBI declined to comment.”

“One of the Hutaree members called a Michigan militia leader for assistance Saturday after federal agents had already began their raid, Lackomar said, but the militia member — who is of Islamic decent and had heard about the threats — declined to offer help. That Michigan militia leader is now working with federal officials to provide information on the Hutaree member for the investigation, Lackomar said Sunday. “


Wonder if they called Janet Reno? Seems like I remember something that happened in Waco that was like this.

Not defending the group, I know nothing about them. But I would not have wanted to have any connection to David Koresh. Still, what happened at their compound was an avoidable tradgedy.


56 posted on 03/28/2010 5:06:32 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Like yesterdays diapers.

And yes, my youngest is still in diapers. The above is not an understatement.

Tomorrow ought to be interesting.

57 posted on 03/28/2010 5:07:27 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: barb-tex
Are the “end times” near? I or no one else knows.

DH remarked that the historical signing of the healthcare bill was the beginning of the End Times. I gotta go along with that; more and more dead babies ...
58 posted on 03/28/2010 5:09:24 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: Texas Fossil
OK... They were a cult. Ok... they were militia nuts prepping for some mythical "end times".

What real crime did they commit?

Name the person harmed. Name the damage done. Name the perp.

Without that, this is just another travesty on top of many.

How many more must we suffer?

59 posted on 03/28/2010 5:09:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Dead Corpse

I suspect you may have nailed it.


60 posted on 03/28/2010 5:11:23 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (California -- Ya es como Mexico)
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To: CincyRichieRich

The report on the Detroit News stated that someone had made a threat to Muzzies.

Do you think that would really upset our Liar-in-Chief?

They burn Sarah Palin’s church, and nothing happens. Some nutcase makes an “alleged” threat to a Muslim and this is the reaction.

Caution is in order here, until more comes out.

When I searched this it was over on DU. The crazy Dems are on top of this, and I would not rule out their involvement. They see the November Tsunami coming and are trying to do damage control.


61 posted on 03/28/2010 5:15:39 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: MileHi
Carl Drega is a type like that man who flew the small aircraft into the IRS offices in Texas recently. These types always come off their rails first.

We can empathize with people like Drega and the IRS Kamakazi, but at the same time know that we are currently far from their point of exasperation.

But what will more normal and rational people do at their point of exasperation? The question begs asking! I'm not talking about suburbanites living in the cul-de-sac neighborhood who are upside down on their home loans who quake in fear at the sight of an EBR. You know who I'm talking about.

The people I'm referring to won't wear cammo and pose for a group photo on their website. They won't HAVE a website. They won't give up arms however, and right now if I were a guessing person, I'd say they are just on the verge of having some closed door meetings about how to handle a certain few problems we might be faced with in the coming months.

...just a guess.
62 posted on 03/28/2010 5:16:36 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: InABunkerUnderSF; All

Comment from the thread linked below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2481479/posts?page=161#161


I read The Detroit News article linked on #193.

muzlems “now” working with the (feds)...cair mention...

http://detnews.com/article/20100328/METRO/3280313/Seven-arrested-in-FBI-raids-linked-to-Christian-militia-group=

(Can’t post anything from that news source due to lawsuit.)

Lots of details many would find VERY interesting. It appears that a U.S.-based islamic militia group has worked with the government to bring about these raids on what is basically a survivalist Christian militia. Homeland Security and Napolitano have their fingerprints all over this one.

Heads up, folks. The repression is going into high gear!


63 posted on 03/28/2010 5:16:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Be very afraid!


64 posted on 03/28/2010 5:17:38 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Texas Fossil

More like they want public opinion to sway against any creation of a militia force.

And they are already collecting diseased comrades to toss over Sarah Palins fortresses.


65 posted on 03/28/2010 5:18:18 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: Dead Corpse

They were reportedly accused of making threats to Muzzies.

We shall see if this really happened or if this is the crazy Dems trying to do damage control. They know the November Tsunami is coming.


66 posted on 03/28/2010 5:18:29 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Texas Fossil
So it was their speech that caused the raids....? So far I have read noaccount of illegal firearms, explosives, drugs, alcohol, or tobacco.....

Words?

67 posted on 03/28/2010 5:19:35 PM PDT by cbkaty (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life---Churchill)
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To: Eye of Unk
they are already collecting diseased comrades to toss over Sarah Palins fortresses.

They are all diseased. Liberalism is a mental disorder. In order to embrace Liberalism, one must supress all reason and adopt a blind hate faith.

68 posted on 03/28/2010 5:22:42 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: hiredhand

Good guess IMHO.


69 posted on 03/28/2010 5:25:27 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: hiredhand
the authorities need no reason to arrest any one of us...least of all, a bunch of Christian Militia members.

So who's your inside source? What WAS the reason for the raid? Come on damn it, somebody's got to know the truth around here so it might as well be you!

Fill us in dude!

70 posted on 03/28/2010 5:26:47 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: cbkaty

From: Detroit News

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100328/METRO/3280313/1361/Seven-arrested-in-FBI-raids-linked-to-Christian-militia-group

This is the article I was referring to. Found it initially on DU, when I searched the group’s name. Then found the original article.

From the article:

Dawud Walid, executive director of the Council on Islamic-American Relations of Michigan, made an announcement Sunday during the group’s 10th anniversary banquet about receiving a call from a network journalist about the alleged threat against Muslims.

“Don’t allow this news to scare you away from practicing your faith,” said Walid.

Audible gaps were heard throughout the banquet hall when the news was announced. Walid said he will call local authorities about more information on the allegations. He urged local Muslims to recommitt themselves to their faith in light of the accusations.


71 posted on 03/28/2010 5:28:44 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Tell me it couldn't happen just like that...

Sounds like a lot of drug busts.

72 posted on 03/28/2010 5:30:02 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Looks like they might be a mite on the flake and nut side

More than a bit.

73 posted on 03/28/2010 5:32:56 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Thanks


74 posted on 03/28/2010 5:33:12 PM PDT by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Gaffer
You don’t buy a sawed off shotgun. You make it.

Our you conspire with others to buy one. If your stupid.

75 posted on 03/28/2010 5:35:32 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: RushingWater

Of course it conflicts with the 2nd Amendment.

If Miller’s attorneys had showed up for his case before the Supreme Court, they could have pointed out that sawed-off shotguns were very useful in the end-stages of trench warfare, and thus thereby protected.

But, at that point Miller was either disappeared or dead, and nobody was paying them, and they didn’t show.


76 posted on 03/28/2010 5:35:44 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: hiredhand

“Entrapment” has a long and sordid history.


77 posted on 03/28/2010 5:37:26 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MileHi
Good guess IMHO.

In the dynamics of what we're watching, it's a logical assumption. Of course, numerous other things could pan out. But there's a whole lot that's predictable if you stand back 10,000 feet and look at it as a larger picture.
78 posted on 03/28/2010 5:39:50 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Dead Corpse
Who in their right f*cking mind "BUYS" someone elses improvised munitions?

A Fed.

79 posted on 03/28/2010 6:00:23 PM PDT by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: RushingWater

IIRC SCOTUS decided that a shotgun was not a military weapon and therefore exempt from 2A protections.


80 posted on 03/28/2010 6:03:32 PM PDT by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Only Islamic militias are allowed in this country. According to 0bama, America is not a Christian nation anymore.


81 posted on 03/28/2010 6:09:28 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: rbosque

Heck, how about the organized kidnapping and killings of American citizens and Mexican immigrants on our soil, as has been happening in San Antonio, Houston and Dallas in the past year?


82 posted on 03/28/2010 6:10:59 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I don't know anything, nor do I have an inside source. I merely have the experience of being in a past position which permitted me to observe the external after-effects of actions which were unseen by almost everybody, and I merely use this contrast to make comparisons.

We all see what's happening. But I've seen the CAUSE (in times past) that has actually preceded somewhat similar events, and so I can possibly surmise with a little more accuracy. That's all. :-)
83 posted on 03/28/2010 6:11:11 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: RushingWater

Dont all gun laws conflict with the 2nd Amendment ?


84 posted on 03/28/2010 6:12:55 PM PDT by culpeper (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people,)
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To: Dead Corpse

It could indeed...


85 posted on 03/28/2010 6:15:05 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: Texas Fossil
How many people here on FR have made "threats" of one type or another? How many in any "conservative" group have wished less than "well health" to the Isamofascist movement?

This is just the beginning...

86 posted on 03/28/2010 6:15:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Doe Eyes
That is not a coincidence. A lot of the methodologies being dreamed up to fight the "drug" war are being used in every other area as well. It's the "slipper slope" and "unintended consequences" some of us "l"ibertarian types have been yelling about for the last decade or two.

A government off it's rails will use any and all methods to protect itself. No matter what the Laws or Constitution may say...

87 posted on 03/28/2010 6:18:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: tbw2

Yup, they don’t seem to give a rat’s ass about the border or border victims.


88 posted on 03/28/2010 6:22:17 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! A true American is an armed American.)
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To: rbosque
Yup, they don’t seem to give a rat’s ass about the border or border victims.

Of course. More illegals crossing the border=more Dem voters. Most of the border victims=fewer non-Dem voters.

I can't explain "Maverick" McCain except to say he keeps running and panting but he never catches up to that herd of donkeys.

89 posted on 03/28/2010 6:34:18 PM PDT by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: magslinger

Our border agents get thrown in the slammer for defending themselves against drug runners. Where the justice there?

Where is the justice for this poor guy who was just defending his property? Why is no one calling for the heads of La Raza or other mutants who promote illegal immigrant causes? Unless they caught the murderer, we’re gonna end up paying for this animal’s medical bills soon.

Just INFURIATING! :-(


90 posted on 03/28/2010 6:40:13 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! A true American is an armed American.)
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To: hiredhand; Hot Tabasco
Indeed. There are some of us that have developed certain skills over the years that allow us to pick out valid data from the background noise.

For instance, some people might look at this:

length = 74 000 : 47 45 54 20 2F 73 63 72 69 70 74 73 2F 2E 2E 25 GET /scripts/..%
010 : 63 2E 2E 2F 2E 2E 2E 2F 2E 2E 2F 2E 2E 25 32 2E c../.../../..%2. 020 : 2E 2F 77 69 6E 6E 74 2F 73 79 73 74 65 6D 33 32 ./winnt/system32
030 : 2F 63 6D 64 2E 65 78 65 3F 2F 63 2B 64 69 72 20 /cmd.exe?/c+dir
040 : 2E 65 78 65 3F 2F 63 2B 64 69 .exe?/c+di

...and just see random noise.

But a there are some of us that look at that and go, "Hey! That's the Nimda exploit!"

It's not magic, it's just a skill you pick up when you look at random noise all day looking for something that sticks out.

91 posted on 03/28/2010 6:48:35 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yes. This is just the beginning...

There is no option for "We the People" but to stop this, whatever it takes.

--

"Rebellion to Tyrants is obedience to God"

Reverse side of the First Committee U.S. seal proposal.

The first committee consisted of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams.

Franklin chose an allegorical scene from Exodus, described in his notes as "Moses standing on the Shore, and extending his Hand over the Sea, thereby causing the same to overwhelm Pharaoh who is sitting in an open Chariot, a Crown on his Head and a Sword in his Hand. Rays from a Pillar of Fire in the Clouds reaching to Moses, to express that he acts by Command of the Deity." Motto, "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."

92 posted on 03/28/2010 6:51:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: hiredhand

My longstanding summary of your point: “the nuts move first”.


93 posted on 03/28/2010 6:56:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: hiredhand

“. It’s the ones without websites that the goons should be worrying about.”

You are absolutely correct. It is the quiet ones that are the dangerous ones. Either the feds are idiots or they are trying to send a message, unless something unlawful was occurring. Either way, I do not believe they are idiots.


94 posted on 03/28/2010 7:06:47 PM PDT by NurseZac
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To: Knitebane

I know I’ve been doing this TOO long when I see things like that and think, “Oh! A Snort rule for nimda!” :-)


95 posted on 03/28/2010 7:08:22 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: ctdonath2
My longstanding summary of your point: “the nuts move first”.

Exactly. It's observable, quantifiable, and PROVABLE ...now!
96 posted on 03/28/2010 7:10:18 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Dead Corpse
How many people here on FR have made "threats" of one type or another? How many in any "conservative" group have wished less than "well health" to the Isamofascist movement?

Yes, but the militia in question didn't do themselves any favors. They created a favorable environment to be set up.

This whole thing is just so dumb that I'm on the verge of declaring that they got what they deserved. First off, IF they are Christian, then they should KNOW what John 15:20 says (among other places in God's Word) and not be surprised OR disappointed!

But from an OPSEC standpoint, IF they are really holding out for a fight with anti-christ (which is completely stupid from a biblical/eschatological standpoint), then it's not exactly wise to put up a website and pose in uniform with weapons. They pretty much asked for trouble, and it seems to me that they lacked the wisdom and insight to realize they would bring something completely predictable... which has now happened.

Think about it... IF you were going to start or maintain a militia, would you have a website...WITH photos? ...bearing in mind WHO is currently in charge of our national Legislative and Executive branches?! Probably not!

...in my best "John Boy" (from John Boy and Billy) voice, I ask them the question, "How'd that work out for ya'll?!" ..."NOT TOO GOOD!"

Yeah... it's the "beginning" alright....the beginning of where all the wannabe light weights disband, drop out of sight, bury their weapons, and hide in fear hoping that they don't get their doors broken in at 0200...and where those who have the capability of doing serious and collective damage start coming together to actually discuss prospects.

Like I said in a previous posting... I don't have any factual information, nor do I know anybody who does. But you can bet on the outcome above based on currently available information.... whether that information is factual or not, and whether ultimately anything comes of it or not, it will happen. It's completely predictable and highly probable based on a knowledge of simple human nature and knowing enough about the American sub-cultures involved.
97 posted on 03/28/2010 7:48:11 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: NurseZac
They're not idiots. I believe that the vast majority of our law enforcement personnel at all levels are pretty good people. Most of them are what we would consider to be the good guys. Believe it or not, they consider low hanging fruit such as these militia types we're talking about to be inconsequential. It allows them to appear to be doing their job, while satisfying some number of bureaucrats above them, but at the same time having no real effect on the overall situation. Remember, we already agreed that the crazies "go first".

The problem will come if the current administration pushes the national situation into a holy war. This has been discussed in various think tank circles for the past several years. There is a large subculture here in America which will react with organized extremism to certain triggers. Criminals who break into their houses at night find this out the hard way... ditto for car-jackers. It could be triggered by something such as an executive order declaring all box magazine fed rifles outlawed, or a suspension of the November elections, or any number of things really.

But the probability of those things happening aren't good. If those scenarios occurred, those in power wouldn't enjoy the richness of their power for long. They don't want to turn America into a third world nation, regardless of what it seems like they're doing.

The power-brokers are really in a tough spot right now. If they push a certain (large) portion of America over the edge, we'll have armed insurrection and public hangings of some big name political figures. If they do nothing, then they know what's going to happen in November. So they might as well bluff and pick on the easy ones like this militia in MI and hope that everybody else gets in line.

...make sense? :-)
98 posted on 03/28/2010 8:05:40 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand
Yeah... Let's toss all the "fringe groups" under the bus. Especially when it's the FedGov and the MSM defining who exactly is a "fringe group".

How would that calculus work out for ya' Ace?

99 posted on 03/28/2010 8:10:21 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Fringe groups" that advertise can't be helped. They're their own worst enemies. The FedGov and the MSM have until November to do all the defining that they can...unless they really screw things up and bring a public armed backlash.

I didn't suggest we toss anybody under the bus. Truth be known, most people toss themselves under the bus just fine with no help from anybody else.
100 posted on 03/28/2010 8:23:58 PM PDT by hiredhand
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