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Israel fears Obama heading for imposed Mideast settlement
haaretz ^

Posted on 03/28/2010 11:38:06 PM PDT by Chet 99

U.S. President Barack Obama's demands during his meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last Tuesday point to an intention to impose a permanent settlement on Israel and the Palestinians in less than two years, political sources in Jerusalem say.

Israeli officials view the demands that Obama made at the White House as the tip of the iceberg under which lies a dramatic change in U.S. policy toward Israel.

Of 10 demands posed by Obama, four deal with Jerusalem: opening a Palestinian commercial interests office in East Jerusalem, an end to the razing of structures in Palestinian neighborhoods in the capital, stopping construction in Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, and not building the neighborhood of Ramat Shlomo.

But another key demand - to discuss the dispute's core issues during the indirect talks that are planned - is perceived in Jerusalem as problematic because it implies that direct negotiations would be bypassed. This would set up a framework through which the Americans would be able to impose a final settlement.

It is not just Obama's demands that are perceived as problematic, but also the new modus operandi of American diplomacy. The fact that the White House and State Department have been in contact with Israel's European allies, first and foremost Germany, is seen as part of an effort to isolate Israel and put enormous political pressure on it.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoforeignpolicy; bhomiddleeast; dnchatesisrael; dncintifada; israel; obamahatesisrael; obamaintifada; plugsbiden; ramatshlomo; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/28/2010 11:38:06 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99

The one solace is that the Palestinians have shown themselves incapable of taking “yes” for an answer. So they’ll find a way to scuttle things even with Obama trying to hand them Israel on a silver platter.


2 posted on 03/28/2010 11:41:59 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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3 posted on 03/28/2010 11:43:15 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Numbers Guy

And like lemmings marching off a cliff, Jews keep voting “Democrat Socialist Fascist Party”.

Makes me think they also supported Hitler’s rise to power.


4 posted on 03/28/2010 11:48:29 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Christmas 2009: Democrats give us Obama Cr*pCare, the t*rd that keeps on stinking.)
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To: Chet 99

Why does this article make me reach for the final chapter of the Bible?


5 posted on 03/28/2010 11:49:39 PM PDT by montag813
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To: OldArmy52
Makes me think they also supported Hitler’s rise to power.

Piss off, numbskull.

6 posted on 03/28/2010 11:49:54 PM PDT by Chunga (Any IDIOT who says Obama would be better for the country than McCain is a disgrace - Mark Levin)
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To: Chet 99
"This is my offer, Barry......NOTHING"


7 posted on 03/28/2010 11:50:50 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

Because you know who signs the peace treaty and starts the ticking of the seven year clock.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 11:54:16 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Chet 99

That’s a pretty sobering article and assessment from Israel’s al-Jazeera, Haaretz.


9 posted on 03/28/2010 11:54:30 PM PDT by Moe Tzadik
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To: Chet 99

Pharoah persectued the Jews ...

Belshazzar of Chaldea persecuted the Jews ...

Hitler persecuted the Jews ...

Now Obama and Hillary are persecuting the Jews over Jerusalem ...

Zechariah 12:1-3 details what happens to those who burden themselves against Jerusalem

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zechariah%2012:1-3&version=KJV

Clear enough for me to know to not mess with it ...


10 posted on 03/28/2010 11:54:32 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: montag813; Lera
And the prophecies given to Daniel in the Old Testament (a.k.a. the Tanakh)

Daniel 8:25 (King James Version)

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Daniel 11:38-39 (King James Version)

38 But in his estate shall he honour the god of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
11 posted on 03/28/2010 11:58:05 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Chet 99
Obama is going to lose a lot of power this coming November.
12 posted on 03/29/2010 12:05:48 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (The money goes to the health care of people who do not even take care of their health.)
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To: Chet 99
This would set up a framework through which the Americans would be able to impose a final settlement solution.
13 posted on 03/29/2010 12:07:52 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: Chet 99
But another key demand - to discuss the dispute's core issues during the indirect talks that are planned - is perceived in Jerusalem as problematic because it implies that direct negotiations would be bypassed. This would set up a framework through which the Americans would be able to impose a final settlement.

Israel controls all of Jerusalem. Even if all the Democrats were willing to back Obama in his bizarre antagonism toward Israel - and they aren't - Obama's ability to effectively bully Israel ends this November. And I'm sure the Israelis know it.
14 posted on 03/29/2010 12:13:55 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: montag813

I hear ya!


15 posted on 03/29/2010 12:20:16 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Chet 99
God will bring swift judgment on this nation as he has in the past if the Kenyan Imposter is allowed to harm Israel while continuing to play President/Dictator. Who are the idiots that voted for this sneak? Well, they asked for it and they got it.

If America through this Enemy-Within Communist Traitor in the White House exacts on Israel casing them to lose land and weaken in the face of its enemies, God will exact on America.

16 posted on 03/29/2010 12:23:28 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Chet 99

Just say NOBAMA!


17 posted on 03/29/2010 12:26:13 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: montag813
Why does this article make me reach for the final chapter of the Bible?

The only political thing standing between the world and the coming destruction as laid out in that final chapter (actually book – Revelation), is America. The world will sink quickly without a strong and free America. If this imposter is allowed to take this country down, then among other things, it’s a sign the God is allowing it and that Jesus is coming very soon because The End will be at hand. Bible prophecy is more up to date than tomorrow's newspaper.

18 posted on 03/29/2010 12:34:13 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Chet 99

don’t fear, Israel. You have friends in America. Just not in the White House.

Whatever damage Hussein does can be fixed. Just stay strong.


19 posted on 03/29/2010 12:34:32 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: OldArmy52

You can not blame American Jews for his election.
They are but a tiny portion of the American population.
This antisemitism must stop , it is hurting our country.
We should be praying God opens their eyes .
We as a nation should be repenting.


20 posted on 03/29/2010 12:36:00 AM PDT by Lera
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To: Lera
Because you know who signs the peace treaty and starts the ticking of the seven year clock

And we'll be watching from the Mezzanine...

21 posted on 03/29/2010 12:36:38 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: F15Eagle

But in Daniel, he follows “a raiser of taxes.” Who would that be? Bush actually lowered taxes.


22 posted on 03/29/2010 12:40:12 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: F15Eagle

*nods*


23 posted on 03/29/2010 12:41:05 AM PDT by Lera
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To: Lera
Roadmap to Armageddon

(written during previous administration but the Quartet is still active)

text version

mp3
24 posted on 03/29/2010 1:12:33 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

PING


25 posted on 03/29/2010 1:16:56 AM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Jim 0216

Your are soooooooooooooo right, brother!!!!!


26 posted on 03/29/2010 1:28:53 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Chet 99

They’ve been taking notes on how 0baMao does business.


27 posted on 03/29/2010 2:00:48 AM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: F15Eagle
alt
28 posted on 03/29/2010 2:04:38 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: F15Eagle
America’s precipitous withdrawal from Lebanon 20 years ago, fleeing from known Syrian/Iranian-sponsored terrorists instead of pursuing them, encouraged the terrorism rampant today worldwide.

That's an interesting rebuke of the Reagan Administration. What's you opinion about this?

29 posted on 03/29/2010 2:50:58 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Jim 0216
and he shall magnify himself in his heart

But in Daniel, he follows “a raiser of taxes.” Who would that be? Bush actually lowered taxes.

Please, God, tell me this narcissistic a-hole will not be re-elected.

30 posted on 03/29/2010 3:24:47 AM PDT by fivecatsandadog (You better HOPE you end up with a little CHANGE in your pocket after he's finished.)
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To: Chet 99
Perhaps Obama could offer Israel a 7 year peace treaty in exchange for Israel being allowed to rebuild the temple. Then, Obama could just break the treaty after 3 1/2 years, occupy the temple himself, and declare himself to be God?



31 posted on 03/29/2010 3:31:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: F15Eagle
Zechariah 12:1-3 details what happens to those who burden themselves against Jerusalem

Romans and the Babylonians got away with it though, not to mention Saladin, so the odds are understandable..

32 posted on 03/29/2010 3:31:56 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: SkyPilot
Perhaps Obama could offer Israel a 7 year peace treaty in exchange for Israel being allowed to rebuild the temple. Then, Obama could just break the treaty after 3 1/2 years, occupy the temple himself, and declare himself to be God?

Wouildn't the Rapture of the Church have to occur before this happens?

33 posted on 03/29/2010 3:44:07 AM PDT by ChrisInAR (Alright, tighten your shorts, Pilgrim, & sing like the Duke!)
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To: Lera

The are concentrated in NYC, Albany and lower NY state and by themselves vote in enough numbers to tip the state of NY reliably into the blue column year after year. They exist in large numbers in New Jersey and Connecticut. Take out the Jewish vote in NY state and NY would more likely go red.
If the Jewish vote in New Jersey and Connecticut went conservative these states would likely go Republican. Its all about the electoral college.


34 posted on 03/29/2010 4:33:36 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Androcles

The Babylonians didn’t get away with it, God used them for the direct enslavement of the Jewish people for 70 years as was foretold. The Babylonians after Nebuchadnezzar had their kingdom divided between the Medes and Persians.

And as for the Romans, they ended up divided in two parts with the western part sort of dissolving away into dark ages and then medieval Europe while the Eastern part stood until the last vestiges were subsumed by the Seljuk Turks in 1492.


35 posted on 03/29/2010 4:41:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: ChrisInAR

It’s not Obama though he may be being used as preparatory political tool. Look for a Julius Caesar type, unearthly magnetic and intelligent with a knack for calling fire out of the sky and other sorts of strange magic tricks. I’ve read about some occultists in India showing these same sorts of magic tricks now!

He will have all the right sorts of answers. To a fractured American populace, both dissillusioned Libs and non spirit filled Conservatives, this guy will be the cats meow after years of infighting, to bring us all together. Crash economic programs will be enacted, our natural resourses will be utilized flat out, on almost a war footing emergency basis and any noisy enviros are done away with. The world, also damaged, might see what is going on and say hey...maybe this guy can help us out as well. Thus he will assume world command from among 10 world sector “kings”. Some person may try to kill him but he appears to be resurrected after a mortal wound.

If Christ tarries a bit and Christians have to go thru all or part of the fire, they will see thru this guy though they’ll have to wrestle with the barrage of self deceit demons will attempt to conjure up in believers. We will warn as best we can but won’t be believed for even Revelation says “he will wear away the Saints” almost like suppressing the voice of conscience to the world the same way men sear their own consciences thru sin.


36 posted on 03/29/2010 5:12:55 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Chet 99

Israel has nothing to fear....they need to simply tell Jack Squat Barry and his merry band of ME foreign policy goons to go straight to hell.

I have said it once, and I will say it again: Netanyahu needs to make a public statement stating that the nation of Israel will no longer have any relations with the US until this current administration is removed.


37 posted on 03/29/2010 5:21:06 AM PDT by cranked
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To: fivecatsandadog

“and he shall magnify himself in his heart
But in Daniel, he follows “a raiser of taxes.” Who would that be? Bush actually lowered taxes.

Please, God, tell me this narcissistic a-hole will not be re-elected.”

Obama does not need to be re-elected, there are mechanisms in place already for him to retain the role as commander and chief nearly indefinately. G.W. Bush created these with good intentions, but someone such as Obama could and probably would exploit them. We all watched them use reconciliation to push bills through, that those rules were never intented to be used for, I am certain that there will be other such rules and laws that will be abused in this administration.


38 posted on 03/29/2010 5:34:42 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Chet 99

All Obama can do is make waves. The congress will control and will not abandon Israel for the glorification of the messiah wannabe


39 posted on 03/29/2010 5:43:43 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Ostracize Democrats. There can be no Democrat friends.)
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To: mdmathis6

Hmmm...good point with the Babylonians, but you’re drawing a long bow with the Romans. If their fate is what happens when god punishes you, then more empires would do well to occupy Israel - their longevity was admirable.

On a similar note, the Egyptians marched through and took tribute from Canaan occasionally, and their longevity is equally impressive. The consistent rule here seems to be that you may well endure longer than the average political grouping.

by that token of course, must we assume that the British empuire collapsed because they occupied Jerusalem?


40 posted on 03/29/2010 6:15:44 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Chet 99

ping.


41 posted on 03/29/2010 6:17:59 AM PDT by beagleone
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To: ChrisInAR
Wouildn't the Rapture of the Church have to occur before this happens?

Perhaps it already did. If the rapture happens and CNN refuses to report it, did it really happen?
42 posted on 03/29/2010 6:27:40 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Androcles

I think the parallel I was trying to make with the Romans was that they never quite died instead they become the feet (of mixed clay and iron reminiscent of the democratic republics of our day) the Image King Nebachudnezzar saw in his dream...a head of gold, silver neck and shoulders, torso of bronze, twin legs of iron and finally the aformentioned feet.


43 posted on 03/29/2010 6:50:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Androcles

I think this discussion is better clarified by the 70 weeks prophecies found in Daniel. Daniel was told Israel would be trodden underfoot utill the times of gentiles would come to an end. 69 periods of 7 years would pass until the Son of God would be cut off then a delay of the final 1 week would occur. In the times since we have seen wars and kingdoms rise and fall. Israel being restored as an incorporated nation began the pre-launch count down. The final week begins when the beast signs his 7 year pact with Israel. The whole world of nations seems to come up against Israel in 3.5 years and that is when God comes to the aid of the righteous, “lest there be no life left’ as Christ stated.


44 posted on 03/29/2010 7:00:42 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

Thanks for clarifying. Very interesting.


45 posted on 03/29/2010 7:44:13 AM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: Chet 99

And people think Obama is the antiChrist. Nah, can’t be, right?


46 posted on 03/29/2010 8:41:46 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Chet 99
How, in God's name, does Obastard expect to "impose" anything on Israel, unless he intends an armed invasion of Israel?

Sic Semper Tyrannis, small version
47 posted on 03/29/2010 8:43:06 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Chet 99
im·pose [ im pṓz ] (past and past participle im·posed, present participle im·pos·ing, 3rd person present singular im·pos·es)

verb

Definition:

1. transitive verb levy or enforce something: to lay down something compulsory such as a tax or a punishment

2. transitive verb insist on something: to make people agree to something or comply with something by having superior strength or authority We believe that one country should not try to impose its culture on another.

3. transitive and intransitive verb inconvenience somebody: to demand somebody's attention or time in an unreasonable manner The guests' increasing demands imposed on the family's hospitality.

4. transitive verb pass off something on somebody: to use deceit or fraud to give something to somebody or to persuade somebody to accept something

5. transitive verb printing arrange pages: to order the pages of material such as a book or magazine for printing

6. transitive verb religion lay on hands: to bless somebody, e.g. in confirmation or ordination, by laying hands on the person's head

[15th century. < French imposer (influenced by poser "to put") < Latin imponere "place into" < ponere "to place"]

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861620438/impose.html

48 posted on 03/29/2010 9:47:17 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Obama's long war against America is in progress.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
And people think Obama is the antiChrist. Nah, can’t be, right?

Jury's out, until he proves us wrong...

49 posted on 03/29/2010 9:48:57 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Obama's long war against America is in progress.)
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To: Saoirise

Ping. Does this sound familiar?


50 posted on 03/29/2010 9:49:51 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Obama's long war against America is in progress.)
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