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Breaking: Militia group (Hutaree) charged with "seditious conspiracy" by FBI
Fox News ^ | Mar 29, 2010 9:25 am | Foxnews (Live broadcast)

Posted on 03/29/2010 7:51:38 AM PDT by BP2


No link yet, only from live broadcast:

In a press release just handed to Fox by the FBI, the six Michigan residents, two from Ohio, one from Indiana are charged with “seditious conspiracy.”

Reportedly, Hutaree is accused of attempted use of weapons of mass destruction. Charges range from August 2008 to today.

The militia group Hutaree are said to have conspired to oppose by force the authority of the US Government.

The members viewed local, state and federal law enforcement as "the brotherhood," also known as their enemy, and have been preparing, the FBI says, to engage them in armed conflict.

According to one plan released by the FBI, the group was to kill a law enforcement officer, then during the funeral precession, hit again with IEDs to kill more LEOs.


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Fox speculated that the online videos may have help alert officials about the group.

1 posted on 03/29/2010 7:51:39 AM PDT by BP2
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To: BP2

I’m not buying this.


2 posted on 03/29/2010 7:52:16 AM PDT by Siouxz
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To: Siouxz

Has Janet been called up for active duty?


3 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:05 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Siouxz

That they were planning this or that they have been charged with this?


4 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:14 AM PDT by John W
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To: Siouxz

Has Janet been called up for active duty? Liberals just love a weenie roast.


5 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:34 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: John W

These are b.s. charges.


6 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:47 AM PDT by Siouxz
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To: Siouxz

Innocent until proven guilty.


7 posted on 03/29/2010 7:53:54 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: BP2

its starting...


8 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: BP2

Why arrest them? Congress is committing treason but the FBI is after these folks.


9 posted on 03/29/2010 7:54:43 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Socialism is for people who've given up.)
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To: Siouxz

Notice the underlying assumption that it is wrong to “resist the authority” of the US Gov’t?

Voting the wrong way would be “resisting the authority of the US Gov’t”.


10 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BP2

If the FBI is going to start enforcing the law against “seditious conspiracy”, when will they arrest Obama and members of his administration?


11 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:20 AM PDT by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: John W; All

> That they were planning this or that they have been charged with this?

Apparently both.

Still waiting for the news release to come out.
This all came in on FoxNews (TV) a few minutes ago.

12 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:37 AM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Mad Dawgg

The thing that is starting is massive speculation.


13 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:40 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: BP2
conspired to oppose by force the authority of the US Government

Can they be more specific? Or is there actually a crime called 'opposing by force the authority of the US government'?

14 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:48 AM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: brownsfan

0bama DEFINES who the legitimate authority is,
and any opposition to this/him IS “sedition”.


15 posted on 03/29/2010 7:55:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BP2

All the muslim groups planning this same thing, using automatic weapons on their compounds, and they choose to go after Militia types first??


16 posted on 03/29/2010 7:56:00 AM PDT by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: verity

I’ll wait for facts, If they were in planning stage of this act that’s bad.
Kill a police officer then bomb their funeral. sick.


17 posted on 03/29/2010 7:56:27 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: RaceBannon

The muslims are on the “same side”, opposing the “common enemy” of these people.


18 posted on 03/29/2010 7:57:13 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BP2

Sounds to me like they were arrested for thought crimes.


19 posted on 03/29/2010 7:57:33 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: RaceBannon

Exactly, why would a country ruled by a self proclaimed and practicing Muslim go after Muslims?


20 posted on 03/29/2010 7:57:42 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: BP2

So, anybody who disagrees with the government is to be charged with sedition?


21 posted on 03/29/2010 7:57:49 AM PDT by oldvike (I'm too drunk to taste THIS chicken)
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To: gathersnomoss

Big Sis wants to out-do El Reno’s inferno.


22 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:32 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: BP2

Sure.


23 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:35 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: BP2

Something doesn’t smell right. The FBI is saying the group was targeting the police...yet CAIR comes out yesterday saying the group was targeting muslims. The investigation has been going on since 2008...yet suddenly it’s time to arrest these people?

However, if they were targeting the police and there is proof of such, they belong in jail. Isn’t it sad that we now have to be suspicious of our own FBI because Obama and Holder are muslim appeasers and sympathizers.


24 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:43 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: gathersnomoss

Question -

how many Christians have ever “slipped” and said “my Muslim faith” when they meant “my Christian faith”...


25 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: oldvike

We have a winner. You get to pick from anything on the bottom row.


26 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:56 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: BP2

Fox had guy sighting Southern Poverty Law Center statistics as part of their reporting on this group.


27 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:57 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Bless America)
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To: Siouxz
I’m not buying this.

Me neither. Funny this happens when the media and Dem's war against the Tea Party isn't sticking. Already seeing headlines calling the raids against Christian terrorist militia groups. How long does it take for the media to call a group Muslim terrorists? We're under attack by our very own folks.

28 posted on 03/29/2010 7:58:57 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: BP2

It’s nice that they’ve finally come up with any specific charges whatsoever.

Some evidence would also be helpful.

If the FBI is going to raid places, they really ought to get their PR machine up to speed. Rather than have hours go by with the Internet aflame with legitimate questions about their actions, the FBI ought to release solid information about the charges involved up-front.


29 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (REPEAL 0BAMACARE NOW!)
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To: BP2

First rule of militia, don’t talk about militia.


30 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:09 AM PDT by Grunthor (Over YOUR dead body!)
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To: oldvike

That’s coming.


31 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: NoDRodee
"then bomb their funeral"

Sounds like a headline from Iraq,Trashcanistan?

32 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:29 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo longt A)
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To: BP2
...the group was to kill a law enforcement officer, then during the funeral precession, hit again with IEDs to kill more LEOs.

If they act like Muslim terrorists, there is nothing Christian nor patriotic about this group.

34 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: MrB

I’ll get back to you.


35 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:55 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: BP2

charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence,

Seditious conspiracy: a crime of being a part of the other parts they mention.

Weapons of mass destruction: anything that can kill more than one or a few....such as an explosive

Teaching the use of explosive materials - This is extremely vague and could go from stump removal to who knows what. In other words, a meaningless charge without details. (Also explains the WMD charge above.)

Possessing a firearm during crime of violence: almost an obvious one.

Crime of Violence: this is the only thing that sounds like it could have meat on its bones, but it doesn’t say armed robbery, thuggery, etc. (So, if you illegally blow up a stump...is that a “crime of violence”? And if you carry a gun during that explosion.....???


36 posted on 03/29/2010 7:59:57 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: blasater1960

The bench is deep.


37 posted on 03/29/2010 8:00:36 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: BP2

Just like the OKC bombing allowed them to demonize conservatives and talk radio, this will be used by the media to attack anyone who is anti-Obamunist.


38 posted on 03/29/2010 8:00:47 AM PDT by ikka
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To: BP2
When did the government start enforcing sedition laws? Seems like there have been plenty of opportunities in the 60’s to the 90’s. I don't know anything about the group in question but the old saying “when they came for the Gypsies, (etc.) I said nothing...” seems appropriate here.
39 posted on 03/29/2010 8:00:58 AM PDT by Never on my watch (Duty, Honor, Country - not Diversity)
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To: BP2

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2384
§ 2384. Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.


40 posted on 03/29/2010 8:02:20 AM PDT by tlb
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To: BP2

Nobody on this thread should lose his/her head here.

If such charges are true, surely they should have been stopped. My guess is the feds have infiltrated almost all such groups, going back before Obama was in office. Sure, the Dems want to play it up for political purposes, but we don’t want wackos blowing up the police or whatever. Let them have the Bill Ayerses.


41 posted on 03/29/2010 8:02:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Mad Dawgg

its starting...

Most likely for every one taken down 10 more are starting up.


42 posted on 03/29/2010 8:02:22 AM PDT by bikerman
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To: NoDRodee
That is what I am suggesting.

If innocent, release them; If guilty, hang them.

43 posted on 03/29/2010 8:02:35 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: gathersnomoss
how many Christians have ever “slipped” and said “my Muslim faith” when they meant “my Christian faith”...

I’ll get back to you.


I won't hold my breath.

44 posted on 03/29/2010 8:03:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
US CODE TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115
2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both
45 posted on 03/29/2010 8:03:17 AM PDT by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: BP2

When CAIR and SPLC are quoted in the same article, it’s BS.


46 posted on 03/29/2010 8:03:21 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: BP2

Meanwhile......

Our President wants to give illegal alien, drug smuggling, trespassing murderers- AMNESTY!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2482087/posts


47 posted on 03/29/2010 8:03:36 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Siouxz

‘...These are b.s. charges....”

+1
They could probably make those charges on over half of the U.S. population with the sentiment that is in this country right about now.


48 posted on 03/29/2010 8:03:54 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: BP2

So it begins. The armed suppression of dissent. Get ready for more. They will use pretexts such as this to round up all of you who aren’t in line with the “new way”.


49 posted on 03/29/2010 8:03:59 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: mnehring

Exactly, and if this was a Muslim group, everyone on FreeRepublic would be cheering these arrests.


50 posted on 03/29/2010 8:04:24 AM PDT by codercpc
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