Posted on 03/29/2010 2:33:09 PM PDT by Cindy
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Nine Members of a Militia Group Charged with Seditious Conspiracy and Related Offenses
Six Michigan residents, along with two residents of Ohio and a resident of Indiana, were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, United States Attorney Barbara L. McQuade and FBI Special Agent in Charge Andrew Arena announced today.
The five-count indictment, which was unsealed today, charges that between August 2008 and the present, the defendants, David Brian Stone, 45, his wife, Tina Stone, 44, his son, Joshua Matthew Stone, 21, of Clayton, Michigan, and his other son, David Brian Stone, Jr., 19, of Adrian, Michigan, Joshua Clough, 28, of Blissfield, Michigan, Michael Meeks, 40 of Manchester, Michigan, Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Indiana, Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio, and Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio, acting as a Lenawee County Michigan militia group called the Hutaree, conspired to oppose by force the authority of the U.S. government. According to the indictment, Hutaree members view local, state, and federal law enforcement as the “brotherhood,” their enemy, and have been preparing to engage them in armed conflict.
The indictment further alleges that the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral. According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with improvised explosive devices with explosively formed projectiles, which, according to the indictment, constitute weapons of mass destruction. Subsequently, and in furtherance of this plan, David Brian Stone, the Hutaree’s leader, obtained information about such devices over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams of such devices to a person he believed capable of manufacturing the devices. He then had his son, Joshua Matthew Stone, and others gather materials necessary for the manufacturing of such devices.
According to the indictment, in June 2009, David Brian Stone and his other son, David Brian Stone, Jr., taught other Hutaree members how to make and use explosive devices intending or knowing that the information would be used to further a crime of violence. In addition, the grand jury charged all nine defendants with carrying or possessing a firearm during a crime of violence on at least one occasion.
U.S. Attorney McQuade said, “Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time."
Andrew Arena, FBI Special Agent in Charge, said, "This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States. The FBI would like to thank our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners who are member of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, for their assistance in this case."
As of this morning, eight of the nine defendants are in custody and seven of them will be making their initial appearance before United States Magistrate Judge Donald A. Scheer at 10 a.m. Joshua Stone is currently a fugitive. Any person with information as to the whereabouts of this individual should contact the Federal Bureau of Investigation at (313) 965-2323.
The charge of seditious conspiracy carries a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction carries a statutory maximum penalty of life in prison, Teaching the use of explosives materials carriers a statutory maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence carries a mandatory minium penalty of at least five years in prison.
An indictment is only a charge and is not evidence of guilt. A defendant is entitled to a fair trial in which it will be the government's burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The case was investigated by special agents of the FBI and the Michigan State Police.
What crime of violence have they committed to be charged with possession while performing the same?
I totally support the governments roundup. (cause I know they are reading this and will bang on my door if I don’t support them)
There are all sorts of lessons to be learned from this. Learn what extremist kooks do and how to avoid them. Learn what Marxofascists controlling the U.S. government can do, too.
Should we let the underwear bomber go because the bomb didn’t go off? Last I checked, having a fire in your pants wasn’t illegal either. :p
Well if they are guilty...send em to the big house....for being stupid if anything else. Abusing your second amendment rights is just plain idiocy. Besides...it’s not time yet...
It’s sad to say but, you never know who to believe. Chairman Zero’s government or the people.
So IED’s are now WMD... Almost a tacit admission that Bush was right about Iraq.
Will the gov’t arrest any of us who just think about sedition?
Most criminal activities are exposed due to someone talking and organizations like this due to bringing in an informant. I have talked to some people in law enforcement who have told interesting stories about people getting caught because they could not shut up. and it was the ONLY thing that put the police on their trail.
This group must have been infiltrated. I suspects that most groups with more than 1 member have been infiltrated. I think even McVeigh’s group was infiltrated, but he acted “too soon” for them to catch him.
If they planned what is claimed here, they deserve the worst they can get.
You can expect them to minimize everything, that it was all idle talk, etc. Over time we’ll know the truth.
How come aryes o=and dorn are in in prison for 40 years?
THIS IS IMPORTANT. Did they act to carry out threats. What were the alleged threats?
The FBI betterghave the goods on them, or else the nation will regard this as politically motivated arrest and trial. And this will backfire on Obama. I HOPE IT DOES!
Obama must be getting desperate to try something like this, which looks like the FBI used Muslim infiltrators of the Michigan Militia to rat on this Christian Group, and maybe organize a sting operation.
I have not seen all the details, but all the other crimes seem to be those of planning. Are they being charged for thinking violent thoughts while carrying a gun? Teaching and planning (even if they are about violence) are not violent in and of themselves to justify that charge. That is, unless there is more that I have not heard. Did they sink a South Korean patrol boat?
“David Brian Stone, the Hutaree’s leader, obtained information about such devices over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams of such devices to a person he believed capable of manufacturing the devices.”
Who posted this on the internet? Why were they not charged?
Oh sorry, Mohammedans get a pass. ROP and all that.
One thing that's funny in this story is the definition of WMD. When I think WMD, I'm thinking, oh, killing 50k people in one shot. For that you usually need a nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon. A carpet bombing B-52 isn't even considered a WMD, but these guys in Michigan were going to use WMD? Gees, in Leftie loonie land you can just make sh_t up. I guess it's like the assault weapons ban. If it looked or sounded worse, it was obviously a much more lethal weapon than a “hunting” rifle.
“Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time."
I'd guess that the timing of this thing has more to do with the dems being on a roll than on any (other) immediate threat to mankind.
And please see post number 3.
Me too.
For that admission, you can expect a knock on your door some time in the near future. BTW, if you are Christian, expect the knock tonight.
Scary stuff coming down the road.
Allow me some editorial license if you will.
Michiganistan?
How can you charge someone for carrying a gun during a violent crime without also charging them for a violent crime?
Andrew Arena, FBI Special Agent in Charge, said, "This is an example of radical and extremist fringe groups which can be found throughout our society. The FBI takes such extremist groups seriously, especially those who would target innocent citizens and the law enforcement officers who protect the citizens of the United States. The FBI would like to thank our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners who are member of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, for their assistance in this case."
It is their sworn duty to protect and support the United States Constitution.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/518/special-supermodel-in-charge-federal-bureau-of-islamists-gets-a-new-detroit-chief/
Just Eric Holder sending a message to anyone contemplating organized resistance to tyranny--
"this "democratic republic" sh*t is history. Don't even think we care about representing you."
They should have converted to Islam if they didn’t want to be arrested and indicted.
Will the gov’t arrest any of us who just think about sedition?
Yes, as soon as the chairman think he has enough control, he will
Personally I wouldn’t consider IED’s to be WMD’s, they just aren’t M enough.
” How can you charge someone for carrying a gun during a violent crime without also charging them for a violent crime? “
The same way they could convict one M. Stewart of ‘lying’ (”I didn’t do it”) to the Feds about a crime that was never proved to have been committed....
They got us comin’ and goin’......
The charges sound inflated to make a political statement. Either that or they are not charging them for enough. I’ve been on a jury. I’ve seen what happens with grand juries. The people who were on it likely had no clue what they were voting on. A grand jury accused the lacrosse team also.
If they were going to kill law enforcement officers, then I’m glad they were stopped, but I’m still scratching my head wondering why haven’t our alphabet soup agencies done ANY raids on any of these Islamic training centers in America?
Here we are being invaded from the South, infiltrated from the east, but their main concern is a small group of white midwesterners making pipe bombs (WMD’s????) and carrying guns???
I’m thinking this is more politically motivated then anything. A news flash to change the headlines for a while. Oh, and what do you want to bet that they either attended a Tea Party or know many Tea Partiers!!! Gasp! You don’t have to guess how the media will use that.
Did they light the fuse on one and it didn’t go off? That’s what I would call “attempted use”.
Fox had a link to their website, but it of course is down/overloaded. Did anyone get a copy of their website because I would like to see for myself what their beliefs are. (Not that I don’t trust the MSM or anything like that.)
Will the gov’t arrest any of us who just think about sedition?
Yes, as soon as the chairman think he has enough control, he will
I heard they were trying to start a revolution. 9 men? This was surely the smallest revolution ever.
I don’t trust the DOJ or FBI to be apolitical on this. The ATF was grandstanding for Reno at Waco. We have the very worst of people in charge in Washington and they have shown no competence at being impartial. We have them defending terrorists at the expense of national security.
This was a warning from the government.
It is indeed.
I wonder when they'll start doing their job.
Political dissent is not criminal. And we will dissent loudly and in an organized fashion. When we do that the Obama campaign becomes ineffective.Thats why we have this inintiative against " spitting resisters, and thoise flaming right womngers who are threatening our poor poor dem reps who do not vote as required by their constituents?
Sorry Holder and Obama. Your feet will be held to the fire you have kindled, whether you like it ir not.
Excellent points. We are definitely through the looking glass at this point.
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