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Who Is David Brian Stone, Leader Of The Hutaree Militia?
Christian Science Monitor via Yahoo News ^ | 30 Mar 2010 | Will Buchanan

Posted on 03/30/2010 6:05:14 AM PDT by edpc

Members called him "Captain Hutaree" or, somewhat cryptically, "RD." A federal indictment calls him the “principal leader” of the Hutaree militia – an extremist group federal authorities say was preparing to "levy war" against the US government by killing police officers.

He is David Brian Stone, and early media accounts sketch a portrait of a man pulled increasing toward the militia movement and its radical fringe. His ex-wife said she left him because he "got carried away." Federal authorities allege that he researched how to build roadside bombs on the Internet. And at least one neighbor said the group that Mr. Stone leads had acquired a certain notoriety around town.

"You don't mess with them," she told the Detroit News.

Hutaree militia arrests: Why the number of militias has tripled since 2008

Monday morning, federal authorities released an indictment against Stone and eight other members of the Hutaree militia. They allege that Stone and his followers were planning an attack sometime in April, perhaps killing an police officer then targeting the funeral with improvised explosive devices (IEDs) to raise the death toll. The group saw the police as the arm of a US government, which they felt was the enemy. [Editor's note: IEDs were described incorrectly in the original version of this paragraph.]

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: andrewarena; government; hutaree; hutareemilitia; militia; militiaraid; raid
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To this administration, "Christian" militia groups with guns and IEDs are dangerous, but Twelvers seeking nukes is just something we have to accept.
1 posted on 03/30/2010 6:05:14 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

and Nigerians with Yemeni tourism interests, al Qaeda membership, and exploding underpants are isolated extremists

as are Army doctors who loudly comment about admiring jihad and wanting to cut off heads and kill infidels among fellow US army troops


2 posted on 03/30/2010 6:09:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: edpc
According to another article, the reason the FBI acted is...

"Federal prosecutors acted in recent days because they say Hutaree planned a secret reconnaissance exercise next month.

A secret reconnaissance excercise....how seditious!!! Can't have people training on secret reconnaissance. Because it starts with secret reconnaissance and then one day someone does a spy operation to break in and photograph the birth certificates.

In fairness the article does go on to say...

According to the indictment, anyone who happened on the exercise could be killed if he or she didn't acquiesce to Hutaree demands.

But it certainly doesn't sound like they were about to kill a cop.

3 posted on 03/30/2010 6:11:23 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: edpc

Isn’t it fascinating that the FBI, ATCE and the Justice Department have had this group under close surveillance since August of 2008?

Too bad nobody in the Department of the Army did the same thing with Major Nidal before he killed all of those people at Ft. Hood...

Curiouser and curiouser...


4 posted on 03/30/2010 6:11:43 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Bean Counter

ATCE s/b ATFE...


5 posted on 03/30/2010 6:12:15 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: silverleaf

Dont forget all the black muslims who talk openly of ridding the earth of the white devil


6 posted on 03/30/2010 6:13:03 AM PDT by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: Bean Counter
There's nothing "curious" about it. This is their typical modus operandi.

Think about the Alinski Rules, mix in a little "problem/reaction/solution", and the timing of this "event" starts to look REALLY damn suspicious for even the thinnest of tinfoil wearers.

This is a SET UP. Look for something really noxious out of Congress soon to try and "combat the problem".

7 posted on 03/30/2010 6:14:46 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: silverleaf

How could I forget obamas BFF, cop killer/bomber Bill Ayers? If you want to kill cops, you have to want to kill them for the right reasons here in Amerika


8 posted on 03/30/2010 6:15:28 AM PDT by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: edpc

Heaven forbid there could be an organized militia willing to fight an usurped government.

And to heap more injury from the falsetto whine from the wrong-wingers is that this militia was christian and was a threat to Muslims.

Bizarro world, Muslim POTUS uses his powers to stomp opposition. Demonize the extremist, who is next Orly, Sarah, Rush?

I bet Vegas bookies know.


9 posted on 03/30/2010 6:17:15 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: edpc

Looks like they got tired of waiting for the End and decided to push things along.


10 posted on 03/30/2010 6:17:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DannyTN

Just for fun, go over to any of the many Survival forums out there, and see how many different contingency operation discussions there are about how to deal with a similar scenario.

What is the second Amendment about?? It gives us the means to protect ourselves from the Government.

What’s most disturbing is the number of people who feel threatened by that sentiment even though it is a bedrock principle that has kept us going this long.

It only takes one careless remark, made in front of the right person, and reported to the authorities out of context to start the ball rolling. I have to wonder if that’s not the case here, coupled with an FBI SAIC who just seriously overstepped his bounds in order to satisfy his own personal agenda.

I’ve seen no evidence of an actual crime committed here. Only Tom Cruise fights crimes that have not yet been committed, and that was only in the movies...


11 posted on 03/30/2010 6:18:25 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: winodog

Wow I wonder how many are actually “members” of this sedtious group.

Also, we have known terrorists, Muslims, in society who are PROVEN terrorists.

Now we know where this Admins priorities are.
Muslims are hands off.


12 posted on 03/30/2010 6:18:55 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: DannyTN; All

I really don’t know what to think about this group. If they really are what the feds are claiming, that would be a shame and as I feared, some nut-job will give them the excuse they need to hammer tea-partiers as lunatics and radicals.

If, on the other hand. this is a set up, a put up, it’s the same thing. It’s the beginning of the radicalization of any legitimate dissent.

Let’s make sure we enforce our second amendment rights, but let’s keep em holstered.


13 posted on 03/30/2010 6:20:07 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: Bean Counter; Candor7; SunkenCiv; blam; JustPiper; fight_truth_decay; Las Vegas Ron; ...
>>>> "Isn't it fascinating that the FBI, ATCE and the Justice Department have had this group under close surveillance since August of 2008?

Too bad nobody in the Department of the Army did the same thing with Major Nidal before he killed all of those people at Ft. Hood...

Curiouser and curiouser...." <<<<<

My sentiments, precisely..... except I am curious whether there is ANY surveillance currently occurring among individuals in America who are most likely to commit major terrorist attacks??? OR... is all the security surveillance manpower being deployed against 7-member rural militias, active tea partiers and FR posters??????

I frankly worry about who is giving orders about whom to surveil....

14 posted on 03/30/2010 6:20:18 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: edpc
According to the indictment, David Stone researched IEDs on the internet and e-mailed diagrams of the devices to someone he believed capable of manufacturing the devices.

Good thing he used that supersecret secure communication tool called email....

15 posted on 03/30/2010 6:20:27 AM PDT by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: winodog

as I said, Bill Ayers was the brains, he sent others with weaker minds out to do the wet work for the WU

classic terrorist operation, the brains at the top always consider themselves too valuable to actually die for the cause, that is for others lower in the hierarchy


16 posted on 03/30/2010 6:20:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: edpc

I wonder if the ACLU will run to defend these people? Perhaps some of Eric Holder’s old law firm buddies will represent them...or do they just like to represent jihadi terrorists? Inquiring minds want to know.


17 posted on 03/30/2010 6:20:57 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Bean Counter

Just like it is illegal to announce death threats, it also is illegal to plot or conspire to kill police.


18 posted on 03/30/2010 6:23:57 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: edpc

I guess this is it then. Guns are clearly too dangerous and must be banned. Argument over!

The criminalisation of conservatism edges ever closer.


19 posted on 03/30/2010 6:28:51 AM PDT by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: hennie pennie; Fred Nerks; Beckwith
Well our government is profiling Christian conservatives,using the FBI, and DHS, ATF and ICE. It refuses to profile Muslim Islamofascists, it actually refuses to use the word "Islamofacist."

Our government therefore is becomeing "fascist." It must destroy conservatives in order to attain absolute power, as Fascists had to do in Germany and Italy prior to WWII.

How do we stop the Obama fascist Junta? We reject their profiling of conservatives and Christians, we denounce and expose it, we ridicule them, and we vote them out of office.

20 posted on 03/30/2010 6:33:25 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: edpc

Probably the FBI staff are reading all of our posts. I thought that the 2nd Amendment was about “militias” and our right to bear arms. Silly me. Personally, I think it is frightening when the government can arrest people for what they think they might be thinking. Big Brother is watching all of us.


21 posted on 03/30/2010 6:35:48 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: winodog
There seems to be little difference between this group and Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorne. (sp?)

Cop killers are cop killers.

22 posted on 03/30/2010 6:36:41 AM PDT by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: edpc; hennie pennie; little jeremiah
Hutaree militia arrests: Why the number of militias has tripled since 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Wed have a fascist movement which has taken over the country, That's why we have an expansion of militias.

No federal institution short of the armed forces can stand against the militias if they all rose at once.

Now Obama has to get rid of militias, He cannot. They are ensconced in state constitutions and the 2nd amendment.So in the alternative the left wants to define militias as "politically incorrect." That means we ALL need to join one.

23 posted on 03/30/2010 6:38:52 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: Marty62

I’m not going to say these might not be nutballs, but the odds of them finding ‘Christian’ terrorist types in a country FULL of an admitted Islamic third column is beyond suspicious.
Where was that map of known Islamic training camps in the states? Ah- but until they DO something, right? Well, planning seems to be enough of a crime here!
If the ‘government’ we currently suffer decides to apply the terms seditious and threatening to Americans who would stand against real terrorism , then it effectively negates opposition and clears the way. The right of the people to a militia and self-defense( another part of that annoying Constitution) is eliminated without the court and media.

This group MAY be truly anarchistic. I don’t want looney cop killer types who want to provoke things for their own agendas either- but- in these times, when ‘cops’ and authority could be used against the people who want to STOP socialist takeover-being willing and able to defy such corrupt authority would be necessary.
This smacks of using a little truth as a weapon and excuse to clear the way for much bigger evil.
With all the KNOWN, proud to preach hatred of freedom and our culture groups operating here, they have been investigating- and act against- this bunch? Given a field of targets that threaten, they spend time investigating and aim at a few snarling dogs instead of a pack of rabid pit-bulls? You’d think they’d get the biggest danger first.
Unless they approve of the pit-bulls.


24 posted on 03/30/2010 6:39:06 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: LurkLongley
Holstered? What did you mean by your “holstered” metaphor?

Do you have trigger locks on your guns, kept in a locked safe, and the ammunition in a different locked safe?

Is that your version of the second amendment?

25 posted on 03/30/2010 6:42:14 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Candor7

Vote them out of office....as long as they allow you to vote.
A declaration of ‘special emergency’ would end that, ‘temporarily’ of course.


26 posted on 03/30/2010 6:42:21 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: hennie pennie

One man’s sound planning is another man’s evil conspiracy.

You can indict a ham sandwich for having no mustard, but convicting it of conspiring with the mayonnaise is another matter entirely...


27 posted on 03/30/2010 6:43:38 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Yes temporarily. About as long as it would take for cycling breech bolts with 30 million
simultaneous “snickety-snicks.”


28 posted on 03/30/2010 6:44:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: Saundra Duffy

Arresting people for what they’re thinking is nothing new. People have been charged with conspiracy to (fill in the blank) for years.


29 posted on 03/30/2010 6:45:37 AM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: lonestar

“Cop killers are cop killers.”

Show me one iota of anything that demonstrates that any of these people actually killed anyone, much less a cop, and you will have my support on that statement.

Let’s keep in mind that so far we have nothing except a set of indictments that use some very inflammatory language to try and support some very serious charges, and nothing more.


30 posted on 03/30/2010 6:46:49 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: ClearBlueSky

“Unless they approve of the pit-bulls.”

They ARE the pit bulls.

Actually, comparing this administration to pit bulls is an unfair slandering of pit bulls.


31 posted on 03/30/2010 6:47:25 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: edpc
What evidence has been produced to prove there were solid plans to "kill police officers"? And at a "funeral"? Story doesn't add up to me, but you can be sure there was a Federal agent at the heart of it egging them on, as usual.

This whole thing seems weird to me. Unlike legit "terrorists", these guys had dozens of videos on YouTube.

32 posted on 03/30/2010 6:47:48 AM PDT by montag813
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To: lonestar
Cop killers are cop killers.

Agreed. Before people get too upset about this, let's find out who these guys are. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend. There are right-wing fringe groups who are very violent and cloak themselves with a "Christian" label. If we find that this group is one of those, then we should applaud the work of law enforcement to close it down.

33 posted on 03/30/2010 6:48:16 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: ClearBlueSky

Couldn’t agree more.

As with Ft. Hood murderer. For years he was promoted, laughed at and given every oportunity to plan and implement his Jihad against sworn military personnel.

But hey, it’s easier to go after a bunch of back wooders, than capture a “Lone” jihadie.

All the money that has been allocated to the LEOS and this is the best they can come up with. But then Janet Rino spent her time going after Americans while Muslims were traveling around the U.S. preparing for 9-11.

I have a bad feeling that the Muslims will pull off something even bigger than 9-11. this Admin is busy diverting funds to shut up dissent, rather than protect the United States.
After all we have the years of dissecting WACO, and then 9-11 happened.

But then maybe that is exactly what this Admin hopes for, then martial Law becomes an option.

The thing about this radical bunch in and around this Admin, is that they are all about violent destruction of the U.S Constitution.


34 posted on 03/30/2010 6:50:06 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: Candor7

I pray you are right. But half this country voted the danger in- and if even half of those Americans are serious still, we have a divided nation and it will get very, very ugly.
What are we prepared to do?
And THEN what are we prepared to do?

I think we know the opposition’s answer- and the lengths to which they are prepared to go.
Half of America still has to answer- once it has the guts
( or is forced) to consider the question.


35 posted on 03/30/2010 6:51:11 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: montag813

Who knows? They’ll eventually have to produce some kind of evidence if they’re going to put these people on trial. We’ll see if it holds up to scrutiny. That said, if you’re emailing IED schematics, you’ll likely draw unwanted attention.


36 posted on 03/30/2010 6:54:06 AM PDT by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: GladesGuru

True- best analogy I could come up with before the coffee and chicory kicked in.
Maybe one kid with a gun-vs- a gang of Crips and Bloods?


37 posted on 03/30/2010 6:54:16 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky

It’s the changing story that makes me wonder. Somebody needs to explain why CAIR meeting in Chicago gasped when told about this intended “cop shooting”, why they were following it so closely, and why a a months-long plot done relatively openly and investigated by tips from a Muslim member of a militia was initially billed as a “Muslims as victims” story.

I read that the search warrant was for bomb-making materials but the description of what came out of the house was lots of guns.

The fact that law enforcement is this capable of being politicized and used for a political agenda - as seen by Janet Napolitano’s memo to try to libel the Tea Party in its infancy - is very, very dangerous for the country. Credibility matters. Unfortunately, much of the governmental system has sold its credibility for cheap political favors. And that is really the bigger story here. I wish the nation as a whole would address that.


38 posted on 03/30/2010 7:02:28 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: CommerceComet

I agree- while at the SAME TIME closing down mosques and Islamic schools preaching sedition and violence against this culture.
You don’t leave a building full of people plotting large-scale murder alone while dragging in one guy planning to hit his neighbor. Especially if acting against the smaller danger effectively(blatantly) protects the larger.
I don’t want ANY whackjobs planning roadside bombs- amateurs or pros.
Are we supposed to believe the( secret, hidden) amateurs are stumbled upon before the public and proud pros?


39 posted on 03/30/2010 7:04:13 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Bean Counter; Candor7
Huh?????

Huh???????

YOU actually believe that plotting to kill a law enforcement official is "Sound Planning"??????

I apologize for replying to your posting; and I promise you that I will NEVER again read anything whatsoever that you post, and I demand that you NEVER post to me again.

Good bye.

40 posted on 03/30/2010 7:08:03 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Marty62
Good to see some forward thinking people. The timing on all of this is just too good for it to be a coincidence. Sorry, but this is a setup from the get-go. I also feel, like you, that "something big" is going to happen between now and November, causing the elections to be "postponed indefinitely" while the administrative-declared "State of Emergency" is dealt with by our self-proclaimed 0bamaite-masters...

Prepare now. You won't have the time and resources to do it later...

41 posted on 03/30/2010 7:11:13 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: silverleaf
...as I said, Bill Ayers was the brains, he sent others with
weaker minds out to do the wet work for the WU

classic terrorist operation, the brains at the top always consider
themselves too valuable to actually die for the cause, that is for
others lower in the hierarchy


Needs to be taught in high school, to inform young adults about
how dictators, etc. really exploit their underlings.

But of course, that won't happen. Because schools are full of
teachers that think Bill Ayers is really cool.
42 posted on 03/30/2010 7:12:04 AM PDT by VOA
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To: wagglebee; EternalVigilance; SunkenCiv; Candor7; Nachum
WOW. UNBELIEVABLE. Plotting to kill a police man is compared to MAYONAISSE and mustard. Human life of so little value, is of so little consequence that killing a human is compared to a deli sandwich, and this on an alleged conservative forum.

>>>> "One man's sound planning is another man's evil conspiracy.

You can indict a ham sandwich for having no mustard, but convicting it of conspiring with the mayonnaise is another matter entirely..." <<<<

43 posted on 03/30/2010 7:14:12 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

No! No! NO! That is not what I am saying, and your reaction is exactly what we should avoid. I feel just as strongly as you do about cop killers HP, I live in Washington State too.

I am saying that “cop killing” is an awfully good charge to make against someone to provoke the exact reaction you just had. I am not saying that cop killing is sound planning though.

From the perspective of a militia, who may be planning what to do after some societal breakdown, what would you plan to do if local law enforcement were tasked by the government to go out and disarm the local populace?

That conversation is useful to have in the proper context, and at the same time is easy to misinterpret to the point of justifying action by the FBI, when in fact there is no proof that any such activity against actual law enforcement was either planned nor being attempted.

Right now we have allegations, serious one, but allegations none the less. I am not going to jump on either bandwagbon until I hear the facts, and those are still missing. In the meantime, please don’t read anything into my remarks that are clearly not there.


44 posted on 03/30/2010 7:16:11 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Bean Counter
Show me one iota of anything that demonstrates that any of these people actually killed anyone, much less a cop, and you will have my support on that statement.

Show me one iota where these people have been accused of killing anyone.

Reportedly, the arrests were made BEFORE they killed and their plans seem to be to kill cops.

The statements from people close to them seem to support that.

Frankly, I'm thankful this didn't happen in the South because it would be ten times worse in the eyes of the MSM.

45 posted on 03/30/2010 7:16:52 AM PDT by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: CommerceComet

Your argument held water before Waco and Ruby Ridge... sorry... do not trust our government.. never will again. Worst part is that beyond supporting Conservatives and voting... I cannot do anything about it. I do pray to the ONE TRUE GOD.

LLS


46 posted on 03/30/2010 7:17:56 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Wolverine!)
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To: lonestar

Several of them are charged with carrying a weapon during the commission of a crime.

WHAT CRIME??!!


47 posted on 03/30/2010 7:18:29 AM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: Candor7; SunkenCiv; Nachum
I cannot believe what I'm coming across in so many threads -- freepers are writing 1000s upon 1000s of Sound Bytes for the likes of Keith Olbermann & Rachel Madcow & Mike Malloy; the far left libbies must be in 7th Heaven, prepping for their shows tonight, filled with direct quotes from so many freeper threads, "proving" that The.Government should up its surveillance upon the Right, upon Conservatives, upon the Tea Partiers. I'm aghast.
48 posted on 03/30/2010 7:26:48 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: Bean Counter
WHAT CRIME??!!

I don't have a clue!!!!!

49 posted on 03/30/2010 7:30:45 AM PDT by lonestar (Better Obama picks his nose than our pockets!)
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To: hennie pennie
Let then surveil. They have the GPS locations of everyones home now taken last year by census workers. They can do it by satellite or by drone.

They better have warrants if they ever show up in these parts.

The message is simle. The FBI wants a shoot out with conservatives. The liberal fascists always do this, They did the same ar Ruby Ridge and WACO under Clinton. This time it will be worse.

Notice how they left the Muslin training camps alone? No intervention there eh Obama?

This time those attacked will turn on the government and win.

50 posted on 03/30/2010 7:31:53 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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