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Marine's Father Ordered To Pay $16K In Court Costs
wgal.com ^ | 3/30/2010 | Staff

Posted on 03/30/2010 12:00:23 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA

YORK COUNTY, Pa. -- The York County father of a Marine who was killed in Iraq has been ordered to pay thousands in court costs for suing some protesters who picketed the funeral.

Attorneys for Al Snyder said a court of appeals ordered him to pay more than $16,000 in court costs for the Westboro Baptist Church.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pennsylvania; usmc; westborobaptist; york

1 posted on 03/30/2010 12:00:23 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Westboro Baptist Church is an abomination.


2 posted on 03/30/2010 12:02:29 PM PDT by McLynnan
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To: Red in Blue PA

That is an unbelievable ruling.


3 posted on 03/30/2010 12:03:02 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I would appeal that ruling until doomsday.


4 posted on 03/30/2010 12:03:14 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Red in Blue PA

You can donate at

matthewsnyder.org


5 posted on 03/30/2010 12:03:17 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: McLynnan

As is the judge(s) who issued this ruling.


6 posted on 03/30/2010 12:03:32 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Freddd; All

Clickable URL:

http://matthewsnyder.org/help.html


7 posted on 03/30/2010 12:04:18 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: McLynnan

A tornado should strike this church.


8 posted on 03/30/2010 12:04:42 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The world turned upside down.


9 posted on 03/30/2010 12:05:35 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

If he can’t afford it, maybe someone will set up an account for donations. I’m in.


10 posted on 03/30/2010 12:06:28 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Red in Blue PA; All

I would burn the money before handing any over so that it would go into their coffers.

That “church” has enough money to send members around the country picketing at funerals? Then they have enough for court costs.

Period.


11 posted on 03/30/2010 12:06:29 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: McLynnan; shibumi; humblegunner; Jet Jaguar; Slings and Arrows; Eaker; Markos33

I think they’re liberal plants/agent provocateurs.

The sheeple will judge real Christians by what these frauds do....and that’s the plan.


12 posted on 03/30/2010 12:06:32 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Somebody’s obviously funding them.

Wonder who?


13 posted on 03/30/2010 12:07:25 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Who is the judge who issued that Order?

.

14 posted on 03/30/2010 12:09:35 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: DAC21; Salamander; Red in Blue PA
First, support the Snyder family and help to offset the fees:

http://www.matthewsnyder.org/help.html

Second, when are the media ever going to notice that Phelps not only isn't Baptist, he doesn't even call himself Christian?

Link: http://eve-tushnet.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_eve-tushnet_archive.html#112474146614650981

What does Fred Phelps actually believe? It is, somehow, even weirder than you expected:

...In fact, it appears that Westboro has created not just an incredibly vulgar and non-Christlike approach to homosexuality, but that it's working on a new religion altogether, complete with new scriptures.

Members of WBC generally avoid the name "Christian" when referring to themselves, preferring the mysterious term "Tachmonite."

The Tachmonites believe Phelps is "the last prophet," with the power to determine who will be damned and who will be saved. They themselves, as followers of Phelps, also have the power to condemn souls to hell. Most people are destined for hell, but "Good Samaritans" who help the Tachmonites (for example, police officers who prevent counter-protesters from assaulting them) may be offered an indeterminate "reward" for their good conduct.

They've written their own scriptures, which are divided into two categories: "delectable epics" and "letters to heretics." The "delectable epics" (the term is the group's) are based loosely on Acts in the New Testament. The epics detail the Tachmonites' various protests against gays, President Bush, Elton John concerts, and the military and portray the Tachmonites alternately as invincible "super heroes" and defenseless victims of brutal rage. Some of the epics are in prose, and some in poetry.

[And there's more...]

15 posted on 03/30/2010 12:11:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: Salamander

As for their funding, you’re looking at it. The “church”, really just an extended family with their home doubling as the church building, supports itself by suing parties who interfere with their “free speech”. One of the daughters-in-law is an attorney for the church.


16 posted on 03/30/2010 12:12:52 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: DAC21

http://matthewsnyder.org/


17 posted on 03/30/2010 12:20:42 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: Tribune7

Third or fourth article posted but PA ping it, please.


18 posted on 03/30/2010 12:33:13 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: caseinpoint

Aren’t there Al Gore ties in somewhere in their past? Maybe to Al Senior?


19 posted on 03/30/2010 12:43:32 PM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Elle Bee
source: http://www.morelaw.com/verdicts/case.asp?n=08-1026&s=MD&d=41419

Case Style: Albert Snyder v. Fred W. Phelps, Sr.; Westboro Baptist Chruch, Inc.; Rebekah A. Phelps-Davis; Shirley L. Phelps-Roper

Case Number: 08-1026

Judge: Robert Bruce King

Duty station: Charleston, WV
Term of service: 1998–present 
Appointed by: Clinton

Court: United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit on appeal from the District of Maryland (Baltimore County)

Plaintiff's Attorney: Sean E. Summers, Barley & Snyder, L.L.C., York, Pennsylvania, for Appellee.

Defendant's Attorney: Margie Jean Phelps, Topeka, Kansas, for Appellants.

20 posted on 03/30/2010 12:47:26 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: mquinn

I believe there’s a very old picture of Gore standing next to the Westboro patriarch, although I may be mistaken. I would hesitate to call that a “tie” in the sense of Gore approving of this church’s current activities.


21 posted on 03/30/2010 12:52:51 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Just saw on www.blackfive.net that the American Legion is coming to the father’s aid: http://burnpit.legion.org/2010/03/put-yourself-in-his-dad%E2%80%99s-shoes/


22 posted on 03/30/2010 1:05:13 PM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (Psalm 121)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

Phelps-was-a-Gore-supporter ping.

23 posted on 03/30/2010 1:13:57 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Westboro is actually financed by Al Gore and a litany of other nasty democrats.


24 posted on 03/30/2010 1:14:08 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

Thank God.


25 posted on 03/30/2010 1:46:54 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Red in Blue PA

Another example of why our country is sinking rapidly into a whirlpool of sh*t.

Rewind 30 or 40 years, and this protester would have had his ass kicked soundly. Now, thanks to all the lawyers, anyone can do anything they want.


26 posted on 03/30/2010 1:59:19 PM PDT by highnoon (If it ain't broke, Congress hasn't had time to fix it yet)
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To: Salamander
I think they’re liberal plants/agent provocateurs. The sheeple will judge real Christians by what these frauds do....and that’s the plan.

Nonsense. Read up on the history of Phelps and his Church. He's a sadistic wife-beater and child-beater and started using his warped religious crap to justify that decades before anyone outside of his series of small-town residences had ever heard of him.

Also, he was admitted to West Point in 1946, but couldn't attend until the following year because he was only 16. Instead, he attended a local community college for a year, during which he had some sort of "religious experience", and lost interest in attending West Point. Instead, he enrolled at Bob Jones College (now University). He was already displaying extreme hostile and violent tendencies during a mission trip the summer before he entered Bob Jones (apparently affiliated with Bob Jones, as it was just him and two other Bob Jones students, sent to Utah to try to convert Mormons).

There's zero evidence that this criminally insane man has ever been even loosely associated with any "liberal" group or people. Posing for a picture with an unwitting Al Gore was just an attempt to look as if he had connections beyond his crazy little family "church".

27 posted on 03/30/2010 2:31:55 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Salamander

Fred Phelps Expose:
http://www.blank.org/addict/orig.addict.html

(looonnnnnggggg, but well worth the read)


28 posted on 03/30/2010 2:32:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Prole
Westboro is actually financed by Al Gore and a litany of other nasty democrats.

Ummm, no it's not. It's financed by the proceeds (largely out-of-court settlements) from all the lawsuits Phelps files against people who try to interfere with his "preaching". In part, it's financed by taxpayers, because some of "winnings" have been paid by state and lcoal governments whose law enforcement agencies attempted to intervene in the Phelpsians' activities. In the earlier days, before Phelps went national, one of his sources of income was door-to-door candy sales that he forced his young sons to do -- they were beaten to a pulp if they didn't bring home enough cash.

29 posted on 03/30/2010 2:38:29 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Salamander

It’s a bit deeper than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps#Support_for_Al_Gore
http://www.lcrga.com/news/Fred-Phelps-Al-Gore-Westboro-Baptist-Church-God-Hates-Fags/200010251159.shtml


30 posted on 03/30/2010 2:40:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (FUBO! FUNP! FUHR! FUBS!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The westboro satanic cult is proof that those on the political right are law abiding citizens. If the right was full of vigilantes, christian militia and violent revolutionaries, Phelps and his spawn would be dead and their ‘church’ a smoking, burned out shell. That they live is a testament of Christian charity and the adherence to turning the other cheek.
31 posted on 03/30/2010 3:02:29 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Red in Blue PA

As disgusting as it is to protest a fallen soldier, is it not the protesters first amendment right to protest?

I am thrilled that efforts are being made to help the Marine’s family.

This is an instance where the judge could have and should have been more lenient on behalf of the Marine’s family considering the circumstances.


32 posted on 03/30/2010 3:12:08 PM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Slings and Arrows

That’s hardly “deeper”. Phelps had a passing crazy notion that he’d try to legitimize himself by getting involved in a national political campaign. Anybody who makes a significant donation to any campaign can do this, get their picture taken with a candidate, host fundraisers that they organize themselves, volunteer to house travelling campaign volunteers, etc.

I’ve never seen any substantiation of Fred Phelps Jr.’s claim that he was a Gore delegate to 1988 Democratic National Convention. Every time I see that claim (including in one of the sources you link), it is either without any source indicated, or attributed to Phelps Jr. himself. I doubt it’s true, but it’s not impossible. That mentally ill crackpot Rozita Swinton, who made the hoax phone call that set off the “raid” on the FLDS compound in Texas (and had made other hoax phone calls of a smiliar nature, unrelated to the FLDS), was an Obama delegate to Colorado state Democratic convention. I don’t think there’s much of a screening process for delegates, and Topeka isn’t exactly a hotbed of devoted Democrats — the few other people who might have been interested would probably have lost interest instantly if one of the Phelps crew announced an intention to seek the position — nobody in their right mind wants to go wave pom-poms at a nominating convention badly enough to risk having their home picketed by the Phelpsians, or having the Phelpsians flie some nuisance lawsuit against them. Neither national candidates nor party big-wigs know or care who the he!! all those people waving pom-poms are.


33 posted on 03/30/2010 3:26:13 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Boxsford
As disgusting as it is to protest a fallen soldier, is it not the protesters first amendment right to protest?

Are you nfamiliar with the Phelpsians "protest" methods? They holler obscenities at the tops of their lungs and harass people trying to attend funerals of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with anything with Phelpsians are screaming about, and completely disrupt the funeral services.

Try getting yourself a bullhorn and standing on the public sidewalk outside a public school, and disrupting classes by bellowing about how the teachers are all "fags" and "dykes" and deserve to be killed because "God hates fags". See how long you're allowed to continue this operation.

34 posted on 03/30/2010 3:31:47 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Couldnt they get charged with disturbing the peace?

No, I am not familiar at all with any of this except this one story.


35 posted on 03/30/2010 3:44:24 PM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“The Tachmonites believe Phelps is “the last prophet,” with the power to determine who will be damned and who will be saved. They themselves, as followers of Phelps, also have the power to condemn souls to hell. Most people are destined for hell, but “Good Samaritans” who help the Tachmonites (for example, police officers who prevent counter-protesters from assaulting them) may be offered an indeterminate “reward” for their good conduct. “

Ya know...they have pills to cure delusions such as those , now.

[how can we petition the MSM to *stop* referring to them as Christians?]


36 posted on 03/30/2010 7:42:56 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: caseinpoint

Wow.
That’s really biblical, isn’t it?

“Go forth and become fishers of litigation.”


37 posted on 03/30/2010 7:44:21 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I ~knew~ that somehow, some way, they’d turn out to be hooked up with the lefties.

Thanks for the link.


38 posted on 03/30/2010 7:47:29 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: Salamander

Beats the day-to-day slogging of the rest of us producing goods to increase the gross domestic product. I’m sure they consider it the wages of righteousness.


39 posted on 03/30/2010 7:55:53 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: caseinpoint

They’re in for a huge surprise, some day.


40 posted on 03/30/2010 8:04:57 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: Salamander

I agree. They make me think of that scripture where the Savior says, paraphrasing, “Not everyone who says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”


41 posted on 03/30/2010 8:47:51 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Salamander

De nada, chica.


42 posted on 03/30/2010 9:46:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (FUBO! FUNP! FUHR! FUBS!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

¿Hablamos en lenguas, ahora?

[Escribo el línea en manejo de serpiente.]

:)


43 posted on 03/30/2010 10:02:32 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: caseinpoint

Yep.

Same train of thought, here.


44 posted on 03/30/2010 10:05:57 PM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: DAC21

On tonight’s show, Bill O’Reilly said he would pay the money himself and would support the father. O’Reilly was really steamed about this one.


45 posted on 03/30/2010 10:06:53 PM PDT by Enterprise (Dan Rather said Obama is so incompetent he couldn't sell watermelons.)
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To: Salamander

I’m from Chicago, so naturally I speak tongue. (Beef tongue, that is.)


46 posted on 03/30/2010 11:51:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (FUBO! FUNP! FUHR! FUBS!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

You can find it there??

I’ve found *one* here in hillbilly heaven and wound up giving most of it to the dogs because hubby just couldn’t “get into that”.

I went back to the WV market and asked for more of them and found it was only an “accidental” item that was shipped with other stuff.

They offered to order me a whole case of them for “only” $160.

[yeah, right]

Hearts I can get and Odin *loves* those.

[but what a bloody mess to clean up]...:-P


47 posted on 03/31/2010 12:11:12 AM PDT by Salamander (....and I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.......)
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To: Salamander

In Chicago, you can get it everywhere. These days, though, I live in South Carolina.


48 posted on 03/31/2010 12:42:51 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (FUBO! FUNP! FUHR! FUBS!)
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