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Missing U.S. WW II sub found by film crew
UPI ^ | 3/30/2010 | UPI

Posted on 03/30/2010 10:42:49 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Toronto television production company says it has located the wreckage of a missing U.S. submarine that was sunk in 1944 in the South China Sea.

In a news release, yap films said the U.S. Navy had confirmed the wreck they found was the World War II submarine USS Flier (SS 25) that sank and was lost since Aug. 13, 1944.

The Flier was a 1,525-ton Gato class submarine built at Groton, Conn., and went into service in October 1943. Of the 86 men aboard when the vessel hit a mine, 14 escaped, but only eight survived the swim to Palawan in the Philippines.

The sub was found at a depth of 330 feet by the father and son dive team of Mike and Warren Fletcher, who star in the "Dive Detectives" series that airs on The History Channel in Canada and the National Geographic channel elsewhere.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gato; gatoclass; godsgravesglyphs; silentservice; southchinasea; ss25; ss250; submarine; usnavy; ussflier; wwii

1 posted on 03/30/2010 10:42:49 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

2 posted on 03/30/2010 10:48:27 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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Official Photograph of the USS Flier (SS-250)
3 posted on 03/30/2010 10:51:06 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

How does anyone escape from a submerged sub that’s hit a mine?


4 posted on 03/30/2010 10:52:25 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Off Palawan, Philippines? Been there. Mostly the region is a diver’s paradise. I heard stories from the locals where the japanese would hide out when McArthur returned and they dug into the beaches.


5 posted on 03/30/2010 10:55:00 PM PDT by max americana
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To: sonofstrangelove

6 posted on 03/30/2010 11:00:06 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: ConservativeMind

Probably it was near the surface, and came up allowing some to escape from the conning tower, or else split open and some floated to the surface.


7 posted on 03/30/2010 11:00:11 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: F15Eagle

Thats a better photo


8 posted on 03/30/2010 11:00:54 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: ConservativeMind

Momsen lung - wait for the pressure to equalize and open the escape hatch. Unless she was on the surface and some got out through the tower.

Nobody would get out from 330 feet, of course.


9 posted on 03/30/2010 11:02:20 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I read “The Terrible Hours” a few years ago. Quite an interesting story.

I have to guess the surface air induction door failed but who knows.

http://www.amazon.com/Terrible-Hours-Peter-Maas/dp/0061014591/ref=cm_cr-mr-title


10 posted on 03/30/2010 11:05:47 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle
Thank you for the recommendation. I will check it out. :)
11 posted on 03/30/2010 11:07:06 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

My Grandfather [USNA Class of ‘23] was stationed on the S-51, which sunk off of Block Island in 1925 after colliding with a commercial ship “City Of Rome”. It sank in minutes.

However, by sheer luck, he was not on the duty roster that night [they had rotating duty rosters selected each day alphabetically] - having missed the cut by four names.

Anyway, about five sailors got out - of which only three survived.


12 posted on 03/30/2010 11:11:11 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: sonofstrangelove

God rest those brave men who gave their all for us.


13 posted on 03/30/2010 11:16:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO - "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: sonofstrangelove
Yeah, good read and pretty quick too. Tells the story of Swede Momsen who invented the Momsen Lung and what would be known as the McCann Rescue Chamber. You can get a used one for 1 cent plus shipping at the Amazon link. USS Squalus - 310 feet IIRC. She dived and at 50 feet began flooding through the air-ventilation system.

The induction hoods in the engine room were taking the most water. They never shut off the inner valves (bad idea) most of the time apparently.

Right to the bottom, tail-first. Salvaged and recommissioned as the USS Sailfish. Then a tragic story with her and the rescued crew from her sister ship, the USS Sculpin.


14 posted on 03/30/2010 11:17:39 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Lmo56

I think the S-51 is noted in the book I just recommended. Part of her was up in the water (nose?) and they cut the sheet metal to get to them.

I’m pretty sure I remember reading about that collision with the City of Rome.


15 posted on 03/30/2010 11:19:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: sonofstrangelove

More about the USS Flier and Her Crew

16 posted on 03/30/2010 11:21:56 PM PDT by Zakeet (Will Rogers never met the Wee Wee)
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To: submarinerswife; brwnsuga; navynucmom; RainMan; US Navy Vet; Coldwater Creek

Navy family ping


17 posted on 03/30/2010 11:26:39 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Navy blue)
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To: Zakeet
You can really see the difference from todays average stock.
18 posted on 03/31/2010 12:18:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (The money goes to the health care of people who do not even take care of their health.)
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To: Zakeet

Be interesting to know the story of who & why the woman is in this picture.


19 posted on 03/31/2010 2:24:51 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in democrat stands for patriotism)
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To: F15Eagle
re: USS Sculpin

I did work on the Sculpin as it was being commissioned at Pascagoula, MS. in the early 60’s. Ingalls built the Barb, Dace, Snook and Sculpin in those heady days of the shipyard in Pascagoula.

20 posted on 03/31/2010 6:13:50 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: sonofstrangelove
I built a Revell Gato class sub model 2 years ago, this is a slightly more weathered version of what mine looks like, and it about 50" long in its own lighted display case. Compared to the German subs the American subs were considerably larger due to the extensive patrol times especially in the Pacific.
21 posted on 03/31/2010 6:19:37 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" G.Orwell)
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To: jwparkerjr

Interesting. That must be another class with the name re-used.

In the story, the USS Squalus and the USS Sculpin were built next to one another in the 1930’s and their missions were in WW2. The Squalus was recommissioned as the USS Sailfish and the USS Sculpin was sunk after surfacing (during combat) near the Truk Islands (IIRC). She was engaging a convoy and got caught by a sleeper lagging behind the main convoy.


22 posted on 03/31/2010 11:54:04 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: sonofstrangelove; SunkenCiv

SC—for your info and file.


23 posted on 03/31/2010 11:56:17 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: ConservativeMind
How does anyone escape from a submerged sub that’s hit a mine?

It was on the surface.

24 posted on 03/31/2010 11:59:42 AM PDT by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: sonofstrangelove

The recovery of bodies, ships and planes is very sad for me. I was in elementary school during WWII and the men of those days are very real.


25 posted on 03/31/2010 12:03:21 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Zakeet

I’m taking a wild guess...and saying that woman in the pic isn’t part of the crew.


26 posted on 03/31/2010 12:06:54 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, the one Ingalls built was the second Sculpin.


27 posted on 03/31/2010 12:17:05 PM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: Osage Orange

She was probably the ships’ torpedo polisher.


28 posted on 03/31/2010 12:17:41 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: sonofstrangelove
On eternal patrol. RIP sailors.
29 posted on 03/31/2010 12:22:46 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: jwparkerjr

Cool. I would love to seen an Ohio being assembled.

I was a kid when the USS Scorpion went missing.


30 posted on 03/31/2010 12:32:44 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Ha!


31 posted on 03/31/2010 12:52:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Wiki data on the USS Flier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Flier_%28SS-250%29


32 posted on 03/31/2010 1:02:32 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: F15Eagle
My job was in the pretest lab. Every piece of pipe, every valve, every elbow, sleeve, etc. that goes on the sub is set up in a test rig and put under about twice the pressure it will ever be expected to experience in service. It's amazing how many of them are bad. Most just leak like a sieve, a few actually explode. Every bit of the record keeping in those days was done by hand, in books! Somewhere there are thousands of pages of my handwriting listing all those parts and when they came into the lab, who tested them when, test results and where they went after us.

It was fascinating to wander up the mold loft. The entire ship is built in plywood with the pieces used to cut the steel for the actual fabrication of the ship. No computers in those days. It was all done by hand. My father was a Navy hull inspector so I got some insight into what was going on as they were being built.

The fun time was once they were in wet dock and being outfitted, especially as they neared sea trials. Hard to believe how big and complicated they were, even in those days, to an 18-year-old kid!

I would love to have that job today! The place was crawling with the engineers that were responsible for all the work being done, an a lot of the crew would be on hand as the work went along. They were a wealth of interesting information on things like metallurgy and what made stainless steel stainless.

33 posted on 03/31/2010 1:20:28 PM PDT by jwparkerjr
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The Flier was a 1,525-ton Gato class submarine built at Groton, Conn., and went into service in October 1943. Of the 86 men aboard when the vessel hit a mine, 14 escaped, but only eight survived the swim to Palawan in the Philippines.
Wow, those were eight men who die hard.

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34 posted on 03/31/2010 3:48:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: sonofstrangelove

WWII Submarine semi-related comment...

My father-in-law, a Submariner aboard USS TINOSA (SS-238) passed away monday evening at the age of 90.

Salute! ...two


35 posted on 03/31/2010 4:06:07 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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