Posted on 03/31/2010 6:36:03 AM PDT by kingattax
After 230 years, are the American people coursing toward eventual divorce?
Our polarized society increasingly ponders what would happen if American conservatives and liberals simply agreed that their differences had become irreconcilable, and redivided the nation to go their separate ways.
Which side would prosper and experience an influx of migration from the other? Conversely, which side would likely become a fiscal and socio-political basket case?
Any reasonable person already knows the likely answer. One need only compare the smoldering wreckage wrought by liberal governance in such states as California or Michigan with the comparative prosperity created by conservative governance in such states as Texas or Utah.
We can also examine the past 400 years, during which immigrants abandoned Europe for an America founded upon the fundamental principles of limited government and individual freedom.
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That’s correct, but Lincoln’s defenders will of course claim that the states didn’t have a right to secede back then or some tripe about how the war was really about slavery.
And it would give new meaning to the "Great Divide"
The rat bastards have taken over all the nice places and that just isn’t fair. We need to evict them from California, Oregon, Washington and Colorado. And prevent more of them from moving to Idaho and Texas.
In principle, I agree with the concept of secession ... that a State may voluntarily remove itself from the Union.
Legally and practically — as in the American Revolution and Civil War — it just isn’t going to happen without military engagement and victory by the seceding States.
SnakeDoc
Does anybody else get pissed off when people claim the Civil War was not about slavery? I hated it when my liberal professors started preaching that tripe.
And the Lost Causers will want us all to believe that slavery didn't exist.
Now we understand how south felt not about slavery as this is not about health
It’s not going to happen. The last time it was tried the District of Criminals waged a war using citizens of the northern states as useful idiots to destroy the South.
If it is tried again by any state you will see D.C. pull out the big guns.
Is not secession always by force of arms? Is there a single instance of a peaceful parting of the ways? Serious question - I don’t know the answer, but I’d be surprised if there were. As noted up-thread, the people who leech off the labor of others won’t take kindly to being deprived of the fruits of that labor.
Colonel, USAFR
This defeatist attitude has got to go.
Just because your opponents decide to play hardball doesn’t mean you take your glove and go home.
Does the Constitution mean anything to us? or is it OK if some twit uses it for TP?
Lose the “secession” talk. Focus on restoring what we still have, not tearing it apart because someone doesn’t play by the rules.
I think you have that backwards the red states are the ones that are the welfare recipients of government largess. That is they get back more than they pay into the government coffers.
"Twenty one of the thirty three states who get back more than the taxpayers in those states pay in are also states who voted for John McCain in 2008. In effect, the wealthier Blue states are subsidizing poorer, more rural Red states...much as urban counties usually subsidize rural counties on the state tax level."
It existed but it nothing to do with the reasons for the war. The war was rooted in the desire of the South to be free from Northern authority and more substantially, an imperalistic desire among the leadership in the South to form a pan-Caribbean empire with other primarily agricultural societies in Latin America.
It’s one reason Southerners ended up going to Brazil because they viewed the war as leading to the inevitable destruction of the Southern agrarian-foreign trade based society.
It’s truly about slavery this time.
Our slavery to the state.
I wonder which country the liberal Jewish demographic would choose, given their propensity to vote (D).
Then don’t come to the South because most of us are taught that. And we are taught that because it is the truth. The idea that the war was about slavery was propaganda plain and simple.
Canada exists as it does because Britain, having taken a beating from the American revolution, realized that a peaceful parting (which includes a formal, if thin, ongoing connection via figurehead monarchy) was preferable.
I know what you’re getting at, but to be a serious country, the new conservative US needs salt-water ports besides the Gulf of Mexico.
BUT, if we get ports on the central coast(s) - Atlantic and/or Pacific - then the other USS will be split up....
Lincoln didn’t give two rips about slavery with regard to the civil war.
It had to do with a people getting out from under the statist thumb.
It probably is a very good bet that it can and must happen here. It is a logical result of the aftermath of the cold war. We had two super powers embark on perhaps the greatest technologically driven war in the history of the planet. The war ended when the Soviet Union went fiscally bankrupt. The costs of the war could not be sustained by their communistic economic system. The sudden collapse of the Soviet Union sent shock waves through the Cold War industry here in America. It was a shock to the economic system. Many highly and perhaps overly skilled workers were suddenly out of work. Then of course we had literally insane representatives ask for peace dividends of all things. At a time when we should have been retooling and reinvesting in our infrastructure, we blew the money on expendables. In recent years we have had entire economic sectors collapse (High Tech, Real Estate, soon to be Health Care Industry). The governments are closing hundreds of schools and laying off thousands. The collapse is occurring right now. That is why they want some Wag the Dog scenario for their media outlets.
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