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Dad of a fallen Marine perseveres against protests at military funerals
yahoo ^ | 3.30.10

Posted on 03/31/2010 11:10:56 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch

Washington – A father of a Marine killed in Iraq says he won't pay the legal fees of a protest group who picketed at his son's funeral in 2006 – at least not until he hears from the US Supreme Court on the matter. Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in Iraq, learned Friday that a federal appeals court is requiring him to pay more than $16,000 in legal fees to the Westboro Baptist Church, a Christian fundamentalist group that demonstrates during military funerals to gain attention for its antigovernment, antihomosexual message. The group rallied at Matthew Snyder’s funeral in March 2006 in Westminster, Md., chanting antigay slogans and carrying signs such as “Thank God for dead soldiers,” says Albert Snyder’s attorney, Sean Summers.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fredphelps; militaryfamilies; ruling; wbc

1 posted on 03/31/2010 11:10:56 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

This is heartbreaking.

Pray for this father and family. If you can find out more about him ... send him a check. This is beyond words ... This “church” is so full of HATE; it’s again, beyond civilized words to describe.


2 posted on 03/31/2010 11:14:40 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Interesting. Except for SOME supreme court decisions, articles of this type hardly ever provide the names of the judges on a given court, and they VERY rarely tell which way they “voted”.


3 posted on 03/31/2010 11:14:56 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: nmh

This morning on Morning Joe (yes, I watch to see what the other side is saying) one of the guys (forget his name) said he would send $1,000 and Mika said she would match it. Good for them.


4 posted on 03/31/2010 11:17:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: InvisibleChurch

I saw the young man’s picture on Bill O’Reilly last night and he looked so young! Their Marine picture is taken when they are almost finished boot camp, and I was thinking of all they go through at boot camp, and he was probably so glad to be almost finished. And then you go to their graduation and it’s such a moving ceremony. To lose your son is horrible, but then to have these jokers showing up at your son’s funeral would be all I could do to not go ballistic!


5 posted on 03/31/2010 11:17:55 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: InvisibleChurch

As the father of both a Marine and a soldier, if I ever set eyes on these rancid pukes...(I guess I’d better take the Fifth).


6 posted on 03/31/2010 11:19:31 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: nmh

$16,000? That’s chicken feed! They’re now suing the dad for #90,000!
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/fallen-marines-father-says-westboro-cult-is-trying-to-get-90000-from-him-audio/


7 posted on 03/31/2010 11:19:41 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
I thought I heard Bill O’Riley paid for these costs.

Even though I disagree with him (BOR) on so many levels, he does put his money to good causes when it come to the troops.
God Bless you Bill.

8 posted on 03/31/2010 11:21:41 AM PDT by lucky american (If you think the Libs care about your health.....LOLOLOL)
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To: InvisibleChurch

It’s not tragic enough to lose a Marine son - but then to have these whited sepulchres wrapped in the American flag throwing offal on his memory?

And then to demand that the father pay the legal expenses for your unsought and sacrilegious activities?

I’ll send this father money, as well, if he loses altogether. And pray for him.


9 posted on 03/31/2010 11:23:22 AM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Support the Snyder Legal Defense Fund - see article at http://www.delmarvadealings.com/2010/03/31/support-the-snyder-legal-defense-fund/.

You can help by visiting here: http://www.matthewsnyder.org/

You can go directly to the donation page https://co.clickandpledge.com/sp/d1/default.aspx?wid=33691.


10 posted on 03/31/2010 11:23:28 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: ilovesarah2012

Bill O’Reilly really gets skewered on FR for some of his opinions, but he has said he is going to pay the full $16,000.00 and was encouraging people to donate money, giving the website address on his show.


11 posted on 03/31/2010 11:23:41 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Maybe someone should send them a dead fish.


12 posted on 03/31/2010 11:24:09 AM PDT by JEC ((Pray for ALL our troops))
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To: lucky american

I heard it too. So it must be true. LOL


13 posted on 03/31/2010 11:26:34 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I hope he keeps telling them to stick their evil decision that he pay them right up their wazoo,,,

When they come for him, people need to gather to prevent any arrest or eviction of this man. We all stand with him. It’s time to take this nation back. These ba$stards are supposed to fear us, not we them.

Go ahead judge, try to use force to make this marines father pay money to people who desecrated his sons funeral.

We the people *dare you*. Keep throwing those matches at the gas can. What will be the spark that sets up open defiance of the government despots??


14 posted on 03/31/2010 11:29:10 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: InvisibleChurch; nmh; murron
First, support the Snyder family:
http://www.matthewsnyder.org/help.html

Second, when are the media ever going to notice that Phelps not only isn't Baptist, he doesn't even call himself Christian?

Link: http://eve-tushnet.blogspot.com/2005_08_01_eve-tushnet_archive.html#112474146614650981

What does Fred Phelps actually believe? It is, somehow, even weirder than you expected:

In fact, it appears that Westboro has created not just an incredibly vulgar and non-Christlike approach to homosexuality, but that it's working on a new religion altogether, complete with new scriptures.

Members of WBC generally avoid the name "Christian" when referring to themselves, preferring the mysterious term "Tachmonite."

The Tachmonites believe Phelps is "the last prophet," with the power to determine who will be damned and who will be saved. They themselves, as followers of Phelps, also have the power to condemn souls to hell. Most people are destined for hell, but "Good Samaritans" who help the Tachmonites (for example, police officers who prevent counter-protesters from assaulting them) may be offered an indeterminate "reward" for their good conduct.

They've written their own scriptures, which are divided into two categories: "delectable epics" and "letters to heretics." The "delectable epics" (the term is the group's) are based loosely on Acts in the New Testament. The epics detail the Tachmonites' various protests against gays, President Bush, Elton John concerts, and the military and portray the Tachmonites alternately as invincible "super heroes" and defenseless victims of brutal rage. Some of the epics are in prose, and some in poetry.

And there's more (at the link)
15 posted on 03/31/2010 11:29:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Describing the the Westboro Baptist Church as a Christian fundamentalist group does a disservice to Baptists, Christians and fundamentalists.


16 posted on 03/31/2010 11:30:18 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ilovesarah2012

No,, the answer is not to send money. The answer is that this man stands in front of the courthouse and tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine. He needs to be backed by a LARGE angry crowd.

It’s not enough to satify the fine. This must be openly defied. And he should not be standing alone. Dare them to try to arrest a Marines father for not paying the people who desecrated his dear son’s funeral.

We can pay his legal fees and bond later. The feds would shrink from this fight.


17 posted on 03/31/2010 11:32:53 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: InvisibleChurch

This is the same bunch of nutters that goes around saying “God hates fags”. Even if these crack pots are not for gays in the military, what does this have to do with our fallen soldiers-—who do not have anything to do with that policy (either way). Mr. Snyder don’t hand over a dime to these a-holes.


18 posted on 03/31/2010 11:32:59 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (this is a NO-BAMA zone)
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To: InvisibleChurch

What a brave man this Dad is.


19 posted on 03/31/2010 11:35:20 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty

Yes he is. And at any instant he needs it, he should not stand alone.


20 posted on 03/31/2010 11:36:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Summers argues that his client’s right to peaceful assembly and freedom of religion were infringed by the protests and that, unlike at a public park where people are free to express themselves, a funeral setting draws a “captive audience” that requires attendees to be in a particular location – they can’t simply walk away.

Seems that the legal argument is excellent. I can't see how the Circuit Court ruled that general free speech rights trumped this - unless you throw that whole liberal court thing into the mix...

21 posted on 03/31/2010 11:38:46 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: DesertRhino

How about he shows up with this scum’s thirty pieces of silver during services backed by good sized crowd of Patriots.


22 posted on 03/31/2010 11:41:31 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

“How about he shows up with this scum’s thirty pieces of silver during services backed by good sized crowd of Patriots.”

Dude,,, wow. Powerful,,,,,


23 posted on 03/31/2010 11:44:19 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Kartographer

Westboro Baptist Church should have been invaded by FBI agents and indicted for sedition.


24 posted on 03/31/2010 11:51:42 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Splinter Cell Scientologist??


25 posted on 03/31/2010 11:55:05 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: DesertRhino

You are right, of course. I think we need a few large, angry mobs for a lot of occasions. I am sick and tired of these “elites” ruining OUR country!


26 posted on 03/31/2010 12:09:03 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: InvisibleChurch

Note how they hide behind children and women?


27 posted on 03/31/2010 12:15:13 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: brooklyn dave

IIRC most of the nutters in this family managed to make it through law school. This looks to me like a scam to get money and attention.


28 posted on 03/31/2010 12:37:40 PM PDT by freespirited (I'm against a homogenized society because I want the cream to rise. --Robert Frost)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I was reading on facebook... some of the lefty windbags are trying to tie this group in with the tea party ppl. Saying they ‘marched faithfully’ with the tea parties’ and there was tea party stuff all over the WBC website. Of course when called out for it... they claimed it was all taken down.

It is ridiculous but the left grabs on to it and spreads it around then the lazy and ignorant just accept it without looking further.


29 posted on 03/31/2010 12:38:23 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: Waverunner

When I first saw your comment I thought you wrote “sphincter.” Of course, that suits the Phelps tribe to a T.


30 posted on 03/31/2010 12:40:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ignoranus (n) : A person who's both stupid, and a source of carbon-based solid waste.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I would rather be drawn and quartered then burned for three days over a pile of hot coals than obey this POS “judge”.


31 posted on 03/31/2010 12:45:26 PM PDT by chris37
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To: brooklyn dave

>> This is the same bunch of nutters that goes around saying “God hates fags”. Even if these crack pots are not for gays in the military, what does this have to do with our fallen soldiers-—who do not have anything to do with that policy (either way). Mr. Snyder don’t hand over a dime to these a-holes. <<

The bad thing about is the WBC is what people like Obama think all Conservatives are like these yahoos. Or they try to associate us with these throwbacks. Guilt by association, an alinsky tactic.

WBC can go straight to hell for their sick twisted actions at the funerals of our service men and women.

I am glad BOR has helped out, I wish he would do more for the other troops stil alive and facing legal issues due to trying to do their jobs overseas.


32 posted on 03/31/2010 1:23:55 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: K-oneTexas

bfl


33 posted on 03/31/2010 1:44:48 PM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Any truth to the rumor that Phelps’ “congregation” is made up of family members and that he considers himself and his personal property all part of his “nonprofit” church organization and therefore pays no taxes?

I would think that the IRS might be interested in his financial affairs.

Regards,
GtG

34 posted on 03/31/2010 1:54:24 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: KarenMarie
They should be reminded that the leader of this church is/was a Democrat and held a fundraiser at his home for Al Gore's Presidential bid. He (Fred Phelps) has run for office numerous times as.....a Democrat.

Let them chew on those facts for a bit! rofl

35 posted on 03/31/2010 3:26:41 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: InvisibleChurch

ttt


36 posted on 03/31/2010 5:28:45 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (1 birth, 2 deaths; 2 births, 1 death)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That does work as well - kudo’s to you


37 posted on 03/31/2010 8:09:11 PM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: TNdandelion

I had no idea. Thank you for that.

:)


38 posted on 04/01/2010 1:25:44 AM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Delectable” epics sounds like something Satan would invent.


39 posted on 04/01/2010 1:34:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: TNdandelion
"......and held a fundraiser at his home for Al Gore's Presidential bid

You're right. Phelps supported Gore in his 1988 bid for the nomination, but by 1992 the bloom was pretty much off the rose and the Westboro freaks protested the Clinton-Gore ticket because of their position on gay rights. They also showed up at the funeral of Gore Sr.(Al's dad) and shouted, among other ugly things, "your dad's in hell". I'm guessing that today any sane person in politics, be their from the right or left, sanctions anything that the Phelps family does or says.

40 posted on 04/01/2010 2:40:05 PM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila

any sane person=no sane person


41 posted on 04/01/2010 2:41:28 PM PDT by Mila
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To: InvisibleChurch

He’s getting all sorts of offers from people wanting to help pay the expenses. What they should to is put that money in escrow and make it clear that they’ll pay the fees if the Supreme Court upholds the lower court ruling. If they pay the money to the Phelps mob now, and if the Supreme Court overturns the appeal court and reinstates the original decision, then fat chance on ever getting that money back from the Phelps’.


42 posted on 04/01/2010 2:44:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TNdandelion
They should be reminded that the leader of this church is/was a Democrat and held a fundraiser at his home for Al Gore's Presidential bid. He (Fred Phelps) has run for office numerous times as.....a Democrat.

Usually you don't think of Baptists as Democrats, do you?

43 posted on 04/01/2010 2:45:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Those Phelps people are nutz and should be treated accordingly.


44 posted on 04/01/2010 3:17:36 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (John has a long mustache)
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