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Father gets harsher punishment than daughter's 'rapist' after punching attacker
The Daily Telegraph ^ | March 31, 2010 | Gemma Jones

Posted on 03/31/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by george76

•Girl claims four men raped her.

•Two on good behaviour after plea deal.

•Dad gets longer sentence after punch.

THE father of a teenage sex assault victim in New South Wales who punched one of his daughter's attackers has been given a longer good behaviour bond than two of her alleged rapists.

a controversial plea deal that reduced the charges from rape to aggravated indecent assault, two young country footballers were given 18-month bonds for their part in the horrifying attack of the then 15-year-old girl.

They walked free from court. Two other accused are awaiting sentencing.

No one in the case can be identified.

Now 17, the victim has clear memories of a night that will forever haunt her.

"I couldn't move," she said of the horrifying sexual assault by four teenage boys

(Excerpt) Read more at heraldsun.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: corruption; crime; rape; raped
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1 posted on 03/31/2010 11:41:30 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76
Imagine if the father would have been allowed to have a gun????
2 posted on 03/31/2010 11:45:35 AM PDT by BossLady (OBAMA - The Father of Velvet Fascism)
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To: george76

Come on, Aussies. Just beat the c*ap out of the idiot and leave him by some stream far away.

The law doesn’t work any more - and will not work until after the war.


3 posted on 03/31/2010 11:46:27 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: george76

This is revolting.


4 posted on 03/31/2010 11:46:39 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: george76

a few of these, well publicized... then the offer for sharia law. the people would welcome it’s vengence


5 posted on 03/31/2010 11:48:08 AM PDT by sten
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To: Da Coyote

Liberals will keep doing this unless and until there are consequences to them. The judge in this case should not be allowed to show his face in public without being called out, at each and every opportunity.


6 posted on 03/31/2010 11:50:41 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: BossLady
You were saying ...

Imagine if the father would have been allowed to have a gun????

Ummmm... a girl so drunk, she didn't know she was being stripped -- having a gun? Sorry... I wouldn't be in favor of that one... LOL ...

It would be better if the father had impressed greatly, to the girl, the importance of not being so drunk that you don't know you're being stripped by four teenagers... doncha know...

7 posted on 03/31/2010 11:53:09 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Drunk doesn't mean the girl deserved to get raped....I do know what much....
8 posted on 03/31/2010 11:55:49 AM PDT by BossLady (OBAMA - The Father of Velvet Marxism)
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To: george76

The idiocy of Great Britain is relfected in the actions of its Commonwealth Nations.


9 posted on 03/31/2010 11:57:19 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Star Traveler

If the FATHER had a gun not the drunk daughter.


10 posted on 03/31/2010 11:58:26 AM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The BASIS of liberal ideology is the belief that there should be no consequences.

I wonder where they got that idea... hmmm..

“You will not surely die...” Gen 3:4


11 posted on 03/31/2010 11:58:50 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: BossLady
You were saying ...

Drunk doesn't mean the girl deserved to get raped....I do know what much....

No, it doesn't mean she "deserved it" -- but not getting so drunk that you don't know you're being stripped down by four boys -- actually goes about 99% of the way to "preventing it"... doncha know... :-)

12 posted on 03/31/2010 11:59:10 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
You were saying ...

If the FATHER had a gun not the drunk daughter.

In that case, not having the gun probably saved him from a "life sentence" in jail... if he had that kind of mentality, doncha know... :-)

I think it would be preferable for the daughter to have her dad out of jail and not in jail for the rest of his life.

13 posted on 03/31/2010 12:00:55 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: george76

Governments all over this world need their reset buttons pressed. They’re not protecting their citizens, they are not dispensing proper justice, the courts are not the place where innocents get just treatment or the criminals get anything close to what they deserve. to the point good is called bad, and bad, good.


14 posted on 03/31/2010 12:03:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Star Traveler; BossLady

Actually I was clarifying what boss lady said. She said “imagine if the father was allowed to have a gun”. You said you didn’t think it was a good idea for a drunk girl to have a gun. That isn’t what she said.


15 posted on 03/31/2010 12:06:45 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: Star Traveler
The teenage girl made a youthful mistake. Doesn’t give anyone the right to rape her. To suggest otherwise is egregious.
16 posted on 03/31/2010 12:07:57 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Star Traveler

Yeah, that’s right. I’ll bet the 15 year old girl deserved it.


17 posted on 03/31/2010 12:11:00 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: george76

And people wonder why God made hell.


18 posted on 03/31/2010 12:11:12 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: sten
a few of these, well publicized... then the offer for sharia law. the people would welcome it’s vengence

Under sharia law, the girl would be executed.

19 posted on 03/31/2010 12:12:07 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

Yes, she would.


20 posted on 03/31/2010 12:12:40 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

Thank you! ;)


21 posted on 03/31/2010 12:17:14 PM PDT by BossLady (OBAMA - The Father of Velvet Marxism)
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To: george76

That is not right in any way, shape or form.


22 posted on 03/31/2010 12:26:43 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Progressives are everything they accuse their opponents of being.)
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To: sten
a few of these, well publicized... then the offer for sharia law. the people would welcome it’s vengence

Are you totally crazy? Sharia law doesn't recognize rape unless 4 MALE witnesses to the crime testify, otherwise the woman is sentenced to stoning of some other horrific punishment under the fickin' abomination that is sharia law.

23 posted on 03/31/2010 12:33:03 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

post 23, the statement “ the woman is sentenced to stoning of some other horrific punishment “ should be “the woman is sentenced to stoning OR some other horrific punishment”.


24 posted on 03/31/2010 12:34:38 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Mr. Lucky
You were saying ...

Yeah, that’s right. I’ll bet the 15 year old girl deserved it.

Who's talking about deserving it?

I was saying that the dad should have "educated" the girl so that she would know that she could prevent this kind of thing 99% of the time, by simply not being so drunk that she didn't know four boys were taking off all her clothes... doncha know.

25 posted on 03/31/2010 12:37:58 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: carton253
You were saying ...

The teenage girl made a youthful mistake. Doesn’t give anyone the right to rape her. To suggest otherwise is egregious.

I think if you read that post, you'll see that I'm saying that she should have been "educated" as to how she could prevent these sorts of things from happening.

I would say that a girl that knows she doesn't get so drunk that she doesn't know four boys are taking off all her clothes, will probably prevent that sort of thing from ever happening in the first place... you see...

A fairly simple solution I would say...

26 posted on 03/31/2010 12:40:41 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: MEGoody
You were saying ...

And people wonder why God made hell.

Well, they don't have to wonder any longer... the Bible says that God made it for Satan and those other fallen angels. The fact that some people end up there is their own doing..., because everyone in this world has a "way out" of that (but Satan and the fallen angels don't have a way out of it).

27 posted on 03/31/2010 12:43:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

If that’s how you want to spin your post... sure, go ahead.


28 posted on 03/31/2010 12:44:48 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3; BossLady
You were saying ...

You said you didn’t think it was a good idea for a drunk girl to have a gun. That isn’t what she said.

And, I would venture to say, it's a good thing that the dad didn't have a gun either... or else the daughter would be having something else to lament about -- her father being in jail for a lot longer than those other guys...

You see..., if someone thinks that having a gun, and then solving such a problem after the fact of it happening -- is a "solution" -- then that kind of person shouldn't have a gun at all. They don't know what a gun is really for, then (at least not in terms of our laws here; although this is in another country).

29 posted on 03/31/2010 12:47:39 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: carton253
You were saying ...

If that’s how you want to spin your post... sure, go ahead.

I don't have to spin it... here's what I said, right off the bat ... :-)

It would be better if the father had impressed greatly, to the girl, the importance of not being so drunk that you don't know you're being stripped by four teenagers... doncha know...

... in Post #7

30 posted on 03/31/2010 12:50:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: george76

I would not punch a rapist. What’s the point? I would solve the problem permanently. Isn’t that what fathers are for? Isn’t that what I would want another father to do before the rapist was released after two years of “good behavior” and got my daughter the next time? BTW, I would not be caught; it’s not that hard to do this sort of thing right.


31 posted on 03/31/2010 12:52:20 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Star Traveler
1) You don't know what the father impressed on his teenage daughter.

2) Teenagers often do not do what they are told.

3) Rape is a crime of violence.

4) Teenage girl drunk or not should not have been raped.

There are other FReepers on this thread who took your post to mean what I did... so perhaps it's in your phrasing.

32 posted on 03/31/2010 12:57:14 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Star Traveler

You wrote:

“I was saying that the dad should have “educated” the girl...”

How do you know he didn’t? A young woman I know, only recently out of her teens, was raised properly by her loving but firm parents and yet that didn’t stop her from developing a binge drinking problem when she went off to college. She would drink until she passed out. She got busted by the cops, ended up in the hospital, was cut off cinancially by her distraught parents AND KEPT RIGHT ON GOING LIKE THAT FOR A MONTHS AND MONTHS ON END.

Sometime parents can do EVERYTHING right and their kids STILL do dumb things.

Why aren’t you asking why the fathers of the rapists didn’t tell their dumbass sons not to rape girls?


33 posted on 03/31/2010 1:07:25 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: carton253
You were saying ...

There are other FReepers on this thread who took your post to mean what I did... so perhaps it's in your phrasing.

Well, to make it clear, I don't say that women deserve to be raped. I never have. But, I do advocate that women don't put themselves in positions where that can happen and thus, advocate practicing preventative measures to reduce the liklihood of it.

And -- these days -- fathers (and mothers, of course) should impress it "so greatly" upon their daughters, that it's "absolutely clear" to them that if they do this (get that drunk that they don't even know that they're being stripped naked by some guys) that they are putting themselves in grave, grave danger, indeed.

That should be hammered home, to the point where they realize that it's almost a "guaranteed" -- "cause and effect" for this to happen exactly that way (i.e., getting raped) -- which is saying nothing about "someone deserving it" -- but rather, is teaching them how to be "smart" in life's journeys...

And as a comment on rape being a crime of violence, I would say in this case with four teenage boys, that it was less a crime of violence, and more a result of them being horny teenagers, having little respect for girls (probably from their upbringing), them taking advantage of "an opportunity" that presented itself, and then a function of the society's message of sexualizing almost everything, which I'm sure they're well "imprinted" on by now.

And again, this description has nothing to do with who deserves it, who is doing a crime -- but simply an explanation which recognizes the "reality" of the society that we're in (worldwide, it seems, or at least Western society, anyway) -- and how to "stay safe" and not have bad things happen to you (if one is a girl and has "choices" in which she can minimize something like this happening or put herself in grave danger of this kind of thing happening).

The law/legal system takes care of things (or is theoretically supposed to) "after the fact" -- while teaching and impressing on young girls about these things actually takes care of things "before the fact" and can prevent it from ever happening in the first place.

As a father of a girl, I'm for "taking care of things before the fact" -- than dealing with such a problem "after the fact"...

34 posted on 03/31/2010 1:11:47 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Good luck to you in the future...


35 posted on 03/31/2010 1:14:27 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Star Traveler

I was saying that the dad should have “educated” the girl

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Because all lessons imparted to the young by their parents are always followed to the letter.

You are simply looking at this bass-ackwards. This is not about the girl, her mistakes, or what you think of her dad. It’s about the sex offenders who molested/raped her.

It’s really not that hard to figure out.


36 posted on 03/31/2010 1:16:17 PM PDT by dmz
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To: vladimir998
You were saying ...

Sometime parents can do EVERYTHING right and their kids STILL do dumb things.

Parents need to do even more then... if a kid has a drinking problem like that, because that's going to ruin the rest of the kid's life, just on the basis of that problem alone, not to say anything about rape.

Sure, you do have problems with certain people (and that's "kids" who grow up into "adults") -- who seem to disconnect their "choices" in life with certain things that may happen to them.

I would go as far as possible with the "education" part of it, saying that it would be like someone deciding to run every red light that they see, when driving. They may get by a lot of red lights -- but I can pretty well guarantee them -- that they are going to get into an accident. And I can guarantee it by "their own choices"... alone.

And thus, I could say to a girl that even though it's a crime for some other guy(s) to do so, in a situation like described -- I can "guarantee you" that you are going to get raped in those types of situations if you keep it up.

So, the question becomes, "Does the girl want to keep up her choice in doing that, knowing that it's a guaranteed certainty that she'll get raped at some time, from that type of choice that she makes consistently?"

And I would also point out that it can happen in just "one instance" of it happening.

Then I would point out that the justice system "may" end up getting the legal justice that is mandated by law -- but also point out that this kind of justice, no matter if carried out to the full extent -- will never undo what has been done.


Why aren’t you asking why the fathers of the rapists didn’t tell their dumbass sons not to rape girls?

I think I said the same thing, in terms of the guys not having respect for girls, taking advantage of an opportunity, not knowing how to control their "horniness" and "buying into" the highly sexualized atmosphere of society, at large.

See Post #34 ...

I've also said in other posts (in the past) about the younger generation engaging in these types of activities and that it is being done (all sorts of sexual behavior with youngsters), either knowingly or not -- and that this is a direct result of the lack of teaching of the correct "worldview" that we live in today (Post-modernism, lack of a Biblical worldview and the highly sexualized atmosphere that we live in, in this society) -- all contributing to it.

People are giving young people totally mixed messages all throughout society by "actions" of other people, plus what is being taught to them in schools (and in society in general and by the peer group) -- to the point where they are actually being programmed into this type of activity.

Parents need to do much, much more than simply "impress greatly" upon their kids, about these things -- they need to given them a completely different "worldview" than the world they are growing up in (and thus, teach them to totally reject the current worldview and the reasons why) -- and give them the correct worldview by both "example" (of the parents) and their "teaching", too.

37 posted on 03/31/2010 1:28:56 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: dmz
You were saying ...

You are simply looking at this bass-ackwards. This is not about the girl, her mistakes, or what you think of her dad. It’s about the sex offenders who molested/raped her.

No -- it's also about wrong choices that will "absolutely guarantee" that a girl will get raped -- no matter who is doing the crime and no matter how wrong it is.

That's the message that really needs to be driven home. Criminals are there in society, that's a given. You're never going to get rid of them. All that one does (in a situation like this) is, deal with a crime that has happened -- after the fact -- through the justice system.

So, it then becomes a matter of how you conduct yourself in order to minimize criminal activity towards yourself. And a young girl in that situation has a lot of good, good choices to make in order to just about totally eliminate the threat.


It’s really not that hard to figure out.

I'll tell you what is not hard "to figure out" -- and that's what should have been driven home to the girl, absolutely so.

It's not hard to figure out that it's much much preferable to be dealing with a problem like this "before it happens" -- than -- dealing with this problem "after it happens"....

That's what should be very easy to figure out.

38 posted on 03/31/2010 1:35:14 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: carton253
You were saying ...

Good luck to you in the future...

Well, my daughter is grown now and has kids of her own. She also imparts the same type of message that she has learned well herself -- that there are criminals out there and that you "take measures" to protect yourself and avoid criminal activity by smart choices.

And that's what I do, too.

A person doesn't eliminate crime or criminals that way. Not at all. The criminals are still there, the crimes are still being done.

No..., what happens is that you shift the crimes away from yourself -- and onto others, who happen to be more foolish than you.

And, for those who don't "get it" -- no this is not an "absolute" solution, in terms of minimizing the risks by smart behavior choices that one makes for oneself -- but then again -- I think most FReepers recognize that fact anyway -- as that's why FReepers are "also" into protecting themselves by way of being armed, doncha know -- for those very few times, when smart choices and "behavior" doesn't quite "cut it" and you encounter a criminal anyway...

39 posted on 03/31/2010 1:40:49 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Just a heads up...the doncha know is really annoying.


40 posted on 03/31/2010 1:44:55 PM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: carton253

yeah... kinda like “ya know...” ... I actually stop myself a number of times ... :-)


41 posted on 03/31/2010 2:04:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

You seem to be in denial about the reality of teenagers.

You wrote:

“Parents need to do even more then... if a kid has a drinking problem like that, because that’s going to ruin the rest of the kid’s life, just on the basis of that problem alone, not to say anything about rape.”

That would assume the parents knew. The girl wasn’t living at home. The parents had no idea until she was busted by the cops. And they couldn’t get her to stop. That’s why they finally cut her off financiall - and that didn’t work either.

“And thus, I could say to a girl that even though it’s a crime for some other guy(s) to do so, in a situation like described — I can “guarantee you” that you are going to get raped in those types of situations if you keep it up.”

Yes, and that would NOT STOP many teen girls from doing do it. Either way, the boys are the rapists. The girl is just someone who drank too much.

“So, the question becomes, “Does the girl want to keep up her choice in doing that, knowing that it’s a guaranteed certainty that she’ll get raped at some time, from that type of choice that she makes consistently?””

This is not about you and your hypothetical conversations with wayward girls. This is about a real rape. Period. They’re rapists. She did NOTHING that was rape. They did.

“And I would also point out that it can happen in just “one instance” of it happening.”

Again, this is not about YOU. Most teens simply won’t listen to you. Many teens drink. Should they? No. Few teens rape. Should they? OF COURSE NOT!!! That is the issue here.

“Then I would point out that the justice system “may” end up getting the legal justice that is mandated by law — but also point out that this kind of justice, no matter if carried out to the full extent — will never undo what has been done.”

Again, this is not about you. What you would point out is most likely meaningless to a teen. Quite frankly teens can pick up when an adult just like sto drone on about themselves and their own views. A teen girl would most likely tune you out in a heart beat. I sure hope you don’t blame your own kids if they’re ever raped.

“I think I said the same thing, in terms of the guys not having respect for girls, taking advantage of an opportunity, not knowing how to control their “horniness” and “buying into” the highly sexualized atmosphere of society, at large.”

Taking advantage of an opportunity? A teen girl is only an opportunity to you? Not being able to control their “horniness”? You think that’s what this is about? Man, you have no idea of what you’re talking about.


42 posted on 03/31/2010 2:08:57 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: BossLady

No problem.


43 posted on 03/31/2010 2:28:27 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Proverbs 18:2 A fool has no delight in understanding but in expressing his own heart.)
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To: vladimir998
You were saying ...

You seem to be in denial about the reality of teenagers.

I would say it's the other way around... to me, from previous postings that I've done on teenagers and what they do and get involved in and how screwed up things are with them and their peer group in our current society -- I would say that it's many FReepers who are in denial of what teenagers do, think about, are involved in and the culture that prompts and promotes it.

Sorry, I know fully well what they've involved in and to what extent and what's going on ...


That would assume the parents knew. The girl wasn’t living at home. The parents had no idea until she was busted by the cops. And they couldn’t get her to stop. That’s why they finally cut her off financiall - and that didn’t work either.

Ummm..., well... "Hello!" -- talk about being in a screwed up situation in the first place, already being in a mess of trouble, and having already made a bunch of wrong choices ... yeah ... that's what happens...

The next thing you'll be hearing from her is that she'll be involved in prostitution, too (in the future)... and probably having a few abortions along the way and will probably die of a drug overdose sometime in the future...


Yes, and that would NOT STOP many teen girls from doing do it. Either way, the boys are the rapists. The girl is just someone who drank too much.

Uhhh... yeah! drink too much -- ya think? ...

I'd say that the dictionary definition of drinking too much for a teenage girl would have in definition #4 -- you have drunk too much when you don't know that four teenage boys are stripping you naked...


This is not about you and your hypothetical conversations with wayward girls. This is about a real rape. Period. They’re rapists. She did NOTHING that was rape. They did.

That might be the case with a lot of rapists out there with women that they attack and rape. But, knowing teenage boys (and this is what they were), I can guarantee you that they were horny (as they always are) and no one taught them how to deal with that situation (as seems to be the case in today's society...), and they were definitely taking advantage of what they saw as an "opportunity" (as that definitely is the "mindset" of many of them, thanks to our culture and the lack of proper teching and training).

There are screwed up guys around who do act out of anger, but it's not all that way with all situations like this. I can guarantee you, that if you're talking about a party with a bunch of teenagers around, having "drink-fest" -- that you're not talking about the males at that party being all angry males... :-)

I think you've bought into a perception that doesn't fit this case.

AND, as for what she "did" -- it was rather, what she did "not do" -- which was to lessen the risk of her being raped. That's what girls that could conceivably get into that type of situation need to "absolutely know without a doubt" -- and that is that they do have the ability to prevent these types of crimes from happening to them.

We all have the ability to make choices for ourselves that reduce and limit our own risks in all sorts of criminal activity, in order to not become one that is the recipient of criminal activity.

As a "simple example" of how "society" itself, also conveys that message to all of us to avoid situations in which criminal activity can happen to us -- you'll see public service messages in which people are told to reduce their chances of having stuff stolen from them and in cars, by putting things in the trunk of the car and not have "inviting things" exposed in the passenger compartment of the car.

Now... do they say, "You deserved this crime of being robbed, by not putting things away, in your car!" -- no, not at all. But, people are told what they "can do" and what "choices" they have to reduce the risks of being robbed.

And that's exactly what these teens need to know, that crime is going to happen and that they want to reduce their risks of being the recipients of a crime.

THEREFORE, one good way for a teenage girl to reduce her risks of being raped by other teenage boys at some drinking party -- is simply "Do not get so drunk so that you don't even realize that you are being stripped naked by teenage boys!"

Yeah... something like that will work... doncha know... :-)


Again, this is not about YOU. Most teens simply won’t listen to you. Many teens drink. Should they? No. Few teens rape. Should they? OF COURSE NOT!!! That is the issue here.

If it was about me, I wouldn't be saying anything about it. I already know better, myself, about choices and criminal activies and being the recipient of such.

Of course it's about such a teenage girl -- herself -- and not about me. She's the one who increases the risk of being raped, not me.

And it's that type of teenaged girl who needs to be well aware of the fact that she will be virtually guaranteeing her rape, no matter how criminal it is and no matter how much someone else is doing the crime -- she will still be getting, what I would call, "an ironclad guarantee" of being raped -- if she's at a drinking party, with a bunch of other teenage boys around and she's so drunk that she doesn't even know that they are stripping her naked.

Yes, that's what I call a "guarantee"... and if she doesn't realize that point -- then someone needs to seriously work with her until she does realize that point.


Again, this is not about you. What you would point out is most likely meaningless to a teen. Quite frankly teens can pick up when an adult just like sto drone on about themselves and their own views. A teen girl would most likely tune you out in a heart beat. I sure hope you don’t blame your own kids if they’re ever raped.

It has nothing to do with blame. It has everything to do with recognizing the "reality of the world" around you, knowing that there are criminals around, knowing that you have choices that you can make which can reduce your changes of being the recipient of their criminal activities... and being safer under one set of choices -- and -- under another set of choice, virtually guaranteeing that one will be the recipient of crimes being perpetrated on you.

I learned that a long time ago, and so I keep in mind what the choices are that I have, figure out the ways that reduce the risks of this type of criminal activity and stay as far away as possible from those criminals.

That's what teenagers need to learn, as fast as possible, as they grow up into adults. And they actually should not be allowed to even "make choices" themselves, until they acknowledge these things, exactly like that.


Taking advantage of an opportunity? A teen girl is only an opportunity to you? Not being able to control their “horniness”? You think that’s what this is about? Man, you have no idea of what you’re talking about.

It's certainly an "opportunity" to those who are wanting to do that. You haven't been around teenagers if you don't know that.

That's one thing I see some at Free Republic have a hard time doing or understanding -- and that's the "mindset" of someone else that doesn't think exactly like themselves.

And in this case, you've got a bunch of teenage boys who don't think like you... to be sure...

You're living in your own dreamworld of your own making of what "it ought to be like" -- instead of the world of "what it is like, right now..." out there for a teenage girl.

44 posted on 03/31/2010 2:42:40 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Your posts are getting longer and longer but make no more sense than your earlier ones.

You wrote:

“That might be the case with a lot of rapists out there with women that they attack and rape. But, knowing teenage boys (and this is what they were), I can guarantee you that they were horny (as they always are) and no one taught them how to deal with that situation (as seems to be the case in today’s society...), and they were definitely taking advantage of what they saw as an “opportunity” (as that definitely is the “mindset” of many of them, thanks to our culture and the lack of proper teching and training). “

They were not taking advantage of an opportunity. Taking advantage of an opportunity is pulling into an open spot at the supermarket, or buying a file cabinet that your friend decides to get rid or of all of a sudden, or taking up a job that will advance your career. This was rape. You go out of your way to avoid that word in regard to this case. It was RAPE.

You post paragraph after paragraph of nothing but excuses as to how you try to downplay that it was RAPE.

It was RAPE. Period. End of story.


45 posted on 03/31/2010 2:49:49 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
You were saying ...

It was RAPE. Period. End of story.

And to make it simple for you -- it's about how to avoid rape ... which is much preferable than trying to get someone convicted after the fact, as we can well see, from this story.

You know the saying, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure... and in this case there's no cure available. So, all you have is the prevention aspect of it.

46 posted on 03/31/2010 2:52:33 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: george76
The law is now officially an ass. Those boys are lucky they weren't beaten to within an inch of their lives with whatever happened to be handy (or simply shot outright as the mangy curs they are). Were I that father (and I pray to God that I shall never be in that position), I would go back and make sure that I got my "money's worth" if I was going to be punished more harshly in any event for punishing those whom society should, but will not, punish.

Redistribution is Theft, small
47 posted on 03/31/2010 2:58:33 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: george76

Rulings like this are the reason we have juries and jury nullification in this country.

http://fija.org/


48 posted on 03/31/2010 3:00:27 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: george76

Law doesn’t always equal justice. :(


49 posted on 03/31/2010 3:09:51 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: SUSSA; george76
You were saying ...

Rulings like this are the reason we have juries and jury nullification in this country.

http://fija.org/

I agree with the Fully Informed Jury Assocation ... and everyone should be familiar with them and know what they have to offer.

The primary function of the independent juror is not, as many think, to dispense punishment to fellow citizens accused of breaking the various laws, but rather to protect fellow citizens from tyrannical abuses of power by government.

The Constitution guarantees you the right to trial by jury. This means that government must bring its case before a jury of The People if government wants to deprive any person of life, liberty, or property. Jurors can say no to government tyranny by refusing to convict.

And that's what people should know about jurors. It's about making sure that the government does not convict innocent people, rather than what many think it's about, in that they're supposed to be about "punishing" criminals. It's mainly for protecting the innocent.

50 posted on 03/31/2010 3:10:51 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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