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Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests
LifeSiteNews.com -- Your Life, Family, and Cutlure Outpost ^ | April 1, 2010 | By James Tillman and John Jalsevac

Posted on 04/01/2010 12:35:40 PM PDT by topher

Thursday April 1, 2010


Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

By James Tillman and John Jalsevac

WASHINGTON, DC, April 1, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In the last several weeks such a quantity of ink has been spilled in newspapers across the globe about the priestly sex abuse scandals, that a casual reader might be forgiven for thinking that Catholic priests are the worst and most common perpetrators of child sex abuse.

But according to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

After effectively disappearing from the radar, Shakeshaft’s study is now being revisited by commentators seeking to restore a sense of proportion to the mainstream coverage of the Church scandal.

According to the 2004 study “the most accurate data available at this time” indicates that “nearly 9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.”

“Educator sexual misconduct is woefully under-studied,” writes the researcher. “We have scant data on incidence and even less on descriptions of predators and targets.  There are many questions that call for answers.“

In an article published on Monday, renowned Catholic commentator George Weigel referred to the Shakeshaft study, and observed that “The sexual and physical abuse of children and young people is a global plague” in which Catholic priests constitute only a small minority of perpetrators.

While Weigel observes that the findings of Shakeshaft’s study do nothing to mitigate the harm caused by priestly abuse, or excuse the “clericalism” and “fideism” that led bishops to ignore the problem, they do point to a gross imbalance in the level of scrutiny given to it, throwing suspicion on the motives of the news outlets that are pouring their resources into digging up decades-old dirt on the Church.

“The narrative that has been constructed is often less about the protection of the young (for whom the Catholic Church is, by empirical measure, the safest environment for young people in America today) than it is about taking the Church down," he writes. 

Weigel observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”

Despite these facts, however, “the sexual abuse story in the global media is almost entirely a Catholic story, in which the Catholic Church is portrayed as the epicenter of the sexual abuse of the young.”

Outside of the Church, Shakeshaft is not alone in highlighting the largely unaddressed, and unpublicized problem of child sex abuse in schools. Sherryll Kraizer, executive director of the Denver-based Safe Child Program, told the Colorado Gazette in 2008 that school employees commonly ignore laws meant to prevent the sexual abuse of children.

“I see it regularly,” Kraizer said. “There are laws against failing to report, but the law is almost never enforced. Almost never.”

“What typically happens is you’ll have a teacher who’s spending a little too much time in a room with one child with the door shut,” Kraizer explained. “Another teacher sees it and reports it to the principal. The principal calls the suspected teacher in and says ‘Don’t do that,’ instead of contacting child protective services.”

“Before you know it, the teacher is driving the student home. A whole series of events will unfold, known to other teachers and the principal, and nobody contacts child services before it’s out of control. You see this documented in records after it eventually ends up in court.”

In an editorial last week, The Gazette revisited the testimony of Kraizer in the context of the Church abuse scandal coverage, concluding that “the much larger crisis remains in our public schools today, where children are raped and groped every day in the United States.”

“The media and others must maintain their watchful eye on the Catholic Church and other religious institutions,” wrote The Gazette, “But it’s no less tragic when a child gets abused at school.”

In 2004, shortly after the Shakeshaft study was released, Catholic League President William Donohue, who was unavailable for an interview for this story, asked, “Where is the media in all this?”

“Isn’t it news that the number of public school students who have been abused by a school employee is more than 100 times greater than the number of minors who have been abused by priests?” he asked.

“All those reporters, columnists, talking heads, attorneys general, D.A.’s, psychologists and victims groups who were so quick on the draw to get priests have a moral obligation to pursue this issue to the max.  If they don’t, they’re a fraud.”

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From the article:

But according to Charol Shakeshaft, the researcher of a little-remembered 2004 study prepared for the U.S. Department of Education, "the physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

I guess the US Department of Education under President George W. Bush must not be a reputable source of information. ( /sarcasm off )

1 posted on 04/01/2010 12:35:40 PM PDT by topher
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It’s simple: Teachers are allowed to marry and marriage causes sex abuse.


2 posted on 04/01/2010 12:39:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: topher
Also from the article:
Weigel observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”

6 priests out of the 65 million member church. It should be stated that there are not 65 million priests.

But I would be a lot more concerned about the children in our schools.

Or perhaps paperboys and papergirls for the New York Times might be in more danger...

3 posted on 04/01/2010 12:39:32 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher

VEEERRRYY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!

Selective use of information must be one of Alinsky’s guidelines.


4 posted on 04/01/2010 12:40:07 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: topher

But they aren’t afraid of the public schools so it could be 1000 times more. It is only the Church and especially the Catholic Church that stands in their way.


5 posted on 04/01/2010 12:40:30 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: topher

Kids have to be safer in Catholic schools than in public schools, that’s a no brainer.


6 posted on 04/01/2010 12:40:43 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: topher
Priests don’t have a union.
7 posted on 04/01/2010 12:41:09 PM PDT by throwback
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To: topher

It’s not forgotten, it’s just ignored by the MSM. They want to fracture and destroy organized religion. I believe Catholics are public enemy #1 because they haven’t rolled over on a lot of the social issues yet.


8 posted on 04/01/2010 12:43:03 PM PDT by xenob
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To: topher

He who deflects is the loser.

Loser.


9 posted on 04/01/2010 12:43:06 PM PDT by arealconservativeforachange (Tell JD Hayworth to run for McCain's seat! http://www.jdhayworth.com/contact.php)
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To: topher

Abuse is bad wherever it is, and needs to be rooted out (perpetrators and any who cover for them alike) wherever it occurs.


10 posted on 04/01/2010 12:47:10 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: topher

Kids in Catholic schools also run a 200% greater risk of being educated.


11 posted on 04/01/2010 12:51:09 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: topher

I thought I clicked on
A “Guilty/Not Guilty” thread...
Sorry... My mistake...


12 posted on 04/01/2010 12:52:07 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: topher

Do the schools cover it up and transfer the teachers to new schools without telling anyone at the new school about the pedophilia?


13 posted on 04/01/2010 12:53:35 PM PDT by babble-on
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Kids in Catholic schools also run a 200% greater risk of being educated.

My daughter came home from school yesterday complaining that they tried to teach them stuff on a half-day before vacation. I told her that I hope she resisted. She said, "Way ahead of you, Dad!"

14 posted on 04/01/2010 12:54:23 PM PDT by Haiku Guy (Gov. Chris Christie (R) won the NJ-6 held by Rep. Frank Pallone (D) by a 15.5% margin!)
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To: topher

It’s simple, the Catholic church is unapologetically pro-life, therefore, they are an enemy of the state and of Obamacare.

The teacher’s unions are reliable Democratic supporters, so don’t expect to see any serious evaluation of abuse in schools....until of course, a Republican is back in the White House, or the abuse occurs in a charter school, or home school, in which case the MSM will be all over it.


15 posted on 04/01/2010 12:57:38 PM PDT by Sir Clancelot
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To: topher

Incidents are under reported because of the decentralized character of the public schools. There are some 10,000 independent school districts in the United States with no central clearing house for personnel, not even in the state education agencies. Furthermore, in most cases, the parents are children are more concerned to see the perp disappear from their child’s life than to punish him/her. The demand is that they get fired, not prosecuted. More often than not, the accusation is false or unprovable, or in any case. hard to prosecute. So the police are just as happy to see the perp leave their jurisdiction. or at least this was the case until the priest crisis. Now we have gone the other way and a perp is likely to be tarred for life even for a relatively minor offense. Still there is no mechanism that keeps a teacher from losing a job in North Carolina and ending up with a job in Oregon. The losing district is unlikely to tell the receiving district about the cause of his
dismissal for fear of suit, however unlikely that maybe. We are after all, talking about a population of three million teachers and a very big country.


16 posted on 04/01/2010 12:58:03 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: babble-on

It’s commonly called “Pass the Trash”.

http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/schools_cut_secret_deals_with.html


17 posted on 04/01/2010 1:02:11 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( FIRE STUPAK: LindaForCongress.com)
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To: babble-on

They “cover up” in this way. The new district phone the personnel office in the old district and asks about him. Even if the new district asks about abuse, the old districts files have been purged unless criminal charges have been brought.
so the clerk will share with the new district only what is in the file, which is normally little except his basic employment records.


18 posted on 04/01/2010 1:03:31 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

You have it.


19 posted on 04/01/2010 1:04:13 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: topher
You would think by all the media accounts that the only people who abuse children are Catholic priests and Scout leaders.

My son's kindergarten teacher, who was neither a priest nor a scout leader, was fired under seemingly unknown circumstances, but with rumors of some sort of indiscretion. Six months later, he called me. I thought, to have a casual conversation. He was a great teacher and my son really liked him. Towards the end of the conversation, he asked if he could take my son fishing. Immediately, a red flag went up and I artfully dodged the request. He called back a few months later with the same request. This time I was a little more emphatic and he never called back.

It gives me the creeps thinking about what may have happened to my son.

20 posted on 04/01/2010 1:05:14 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: topher

Don’t forget the 15-year old runnaway in San Francisco.


21 posted on 04/01/2010 1:05:49 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: topher
Even IF this is true, there is still one big difference. When it happens at school they either are fired and or go to jail. Not transferred to another school where they can do it again. Where as the priests, at least some of them were merely transferred to another district, state,or even country, where I'm sure they have not lost their perverted ways.
22 posted on 04/01/2010 1:05:53 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: babble-on

Absolutely.


23 posted on 04/01/2010 1:12:38 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: tiki

Bingo!

To the Catholic bashers around here (you know who you are): How do you like the leftist/socialist/fascist company you’re keeping? Isn’t it nice to be on the same side of an issue as zero and his ilk? /hurl


24 posted on 04/01/2010 1:16:31 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: fish hawk
This is the fact that is the clarion call to all who want to take down the Catholic church. Its the cover up. Even if it is greatly changed now, the stigma is still there in the public’s mind.
The recent stories from Germany Ireland and the US, just reinforce those opinions.
This is the battle the church has to fight and overcome. It will take a public zero tolerance program that is transparent and has confidence of the lay people.
25 posted on 04/01/2010 1:21:10 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: fish hawk
The Oregonian newspaper uncovered dozens of cases where teachers accused of sexual misconduct signed secret deals and transferred to another school district.

Most of these teachers are tenured and 40 percent of those transferred are repeat offenders. They call it “passing the garbage” in the schools.

In nearly 16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the sexual molestations.

The series reported that public school administrators routinely transfer abusive teachers from one school district to the next.

This was the third set of accusations that Guevara had molested students. Twice before, when law enforcement officials had decided they lacked the evidence to win a criminal conviction, L.A. Unified officials had quietly put him back in the classroom.

26 posted on 04/01/2010 1:24:22 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: topher

““We have scant data on incidence and even less on descriptions of predators”
So where’d they get the 9.6%?


27 posted on 04/01/2010 1:24:51 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: babble-on
Do the schools cover it up and transfer the teachers to new schools without telling anyone at the new school about the pedophilia?

What do you think? If the media did a full-court-press on the public schools like they did on the Catholic Church, what do you think they'd turn up? Nothing?

The reason you don't hear more about it is because the media is involved with the cover-up in the public schools.
28 posted on 04/01/2010 1:25:28 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: fish hawk
When it happens at school they either are fired and or go to jail. Not transferred to another school where they can do it again.

LOL. Our word for the day is "naivete".
29 posted on 04/01/2010 1:28:53 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's a degenerate society where dogs have more legal rights than unborn babies.)
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To: fish hawk

“When it happens at school they either are fired and or go to jail. Not transferred to another school where...”
Schools were frequently covering for their teachers prior to the 1990s. More publicity about the problem and the covering up by the schools resulted in changes.


30 posted on 04/01/2010 1:29:37 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: xenob
I believe Catholics are public enemy #1 because they haven't rolled over on a lot of the social issues yet.

And in addition to that,the Catholic Church has deep pockets. It is an extremely enticing target for the many law firms and lawyers whose continued existence is dependent on drumming up victims and suing for lots of money most of which goes to the firms. In some cases they have sued again and again.

Everything,at least in this country,with a few exceptions,was dealt with by 2002.At that time the big problem turned out to be that the Church had gone soft on their policy of not ordaining homosexuals.

Initially the headlines shrieked out "pedophile priests" and the country was aghast. When the facts emerged there was a problem indeed and it did involve sex and it was tawdry,sinful,ugly and wrong. However,it was also clear that the problem was not so much one of mentally,sick pedophile priests but instead they were manipulative homosexual priests doing business as usual in the homosexual community. What was learned was there is a big difference between men attracted to children {pedophiles} and men attracted to post pubescent males {ephebophilia}.

According to the research firm the Church had hired,80% of all the sexual activity by priests was perpetrated by homosexual priests. The others were abuses against females/women and then pedophiles.

I would conjecture that before this became too common knowledge,the MSM which has a load of homosexual journalists,pundits,editors,commentators in concert with some of their catholic counterparts in the clergy and aided and abetted by infiltrators who had been in position to implode the Church for quite a while let things slide rather than risk exposure to the general public.

So they pulled in their fangs and waited for a new opportunity,and here we are with many people mightily upset about the turn this country has taken toward a more controlled society and others upset and frightened about the dreary economy,what better way to divert attention and maybe even pick up some more money than to have at the Church again.

Diabolic?

31 posted on 04/01/2010 1:29:51 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: johniegrad
So what you are saying is, forget the pervert priest, hell, everyone is doing this. Still, in my books, a Priest doing it just some how seems a little more sick than a lay person even if it all is bad. Just as if a regular joe cheats on his wife and lies about it compared to a public elected official does the same thing. Supposedly he was above all that crap and an upstanding person.
32 posted on 04/01/2010 1:31:31 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk; topher
Abusive public school teachers are fired or go to jail? I regret to inform you that this is not the case.

If you care to look into it, you can scan your eyes across the Web results here (Link) for hundreds and hundreds of examples.

33 posted on 04/01/2010 1:37:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do you mean now?" ---Yogi Berra, when asked "What time is it?" ---)
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To: topher

Teacher abuse is definitely a problem ... but, in fairness, teachers are typically removed from classes pretty quickly, fired as quickly as union rules will allow, their crimes are made public and scrutinzed in the media, and some are prosecuted.

One would hope that members of the Body of Christ would do better than they have ... certainly at least as well as public schools at discipling those that are caught. Shuffling people around is not good enough. Excommunication and firing are a minimum.

SnakeDoc


34 posted on 04/01/2010 1:38:04 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant ... that even a god-king can bleed." - 300)
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To: piytar
To the Catholic bashers around here (you know who you are)

Have you noticd they are always absent on threads like this???!!!!!!

35 posted on 04/01/2010 1:40:07 PM PDT by notaliberal (It's the Constitution---- Stupid!)
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To: fish hawk
So what you are saying is, forget the pervert priest, hell, everyone is doing this.

No, not at all but nice try. Here, let me trace the conversation for you.

You said: Even IF this is true, there is still one big difference. When it happens at school they either are fired and or go to jail. Not transferred to another school where they can do it again.

You did say that, didn't you?

I cited several instances that disproved the point you were trying to make.

Then you said: So what you are saying is, forget the pervert priest, hell, everyone is doing this.

And, of course, if you look at my post, I never stated any sort of opinion about priests abusing children even though you have unsuccessfully tried to make it appear that way.

All abuse in any setting is wrong and the abusers need to be taken out of situations where they can abuse others. I take offense at you trying to accuse me of something I didn't do.

36 posted on 04/01/2010 1:42:06 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: piytar; tiki; topher

Well. I was just going to read the responses and move along.

However, our children are not Right or Left, they’re just our children and they’re being abused by people they have been told to trust.

Hiding behind a religion to abuse children is somehow more disgusting than having it done by a teacher or coach.


37 posted on 04/01/2010 1:44:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek

No one is hiding behind religion to abuse children, these cases that they are talking about happened decades ago and the Catholic Church has taken steps to prevent it ever happening again. They do it by education and openness. To do anything but go to Mass you must have a background check and attend several classes.

The deal with the public schools goes on as we speak and I don’t hear the NYTs saying a word, do you?


38 posted on 04/01/2010 1:56:15 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: D-fendr

LOL!

Great response!


39 posted on 04/01/2010 2:00:03 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: topher

The priest abuse issue is 80% political. It broke in Massachusetts just before the courts and Romney legalized homosexual marriage. I don’t imagine that it was coincidence that the power of the church in MA was given a serious whack right at that opportune time.

The Roman Catholic Church, being global, and having definite right-wrong standards, is a threat to global socialism with the attendant moral relativism the left requires- this is Orwell’s Doublethink.

So they become a target.


40 posted on 04/01/2010 2:00:06 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: wolfcreek

BTW, since you are so concerned, what are you doing to fight sexual abuse in the public schools?

I know what I’m doing, as a Catholic educator, I am teaching my students not to become victims.


41 posted on 04/01/2010 2:01:20 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: arealconservativeforachange

Are you defending the pedophiles, pederasts, homosexuals, and rapists in the public school systems?


42 posted on 04/01/2010 2:02:31 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: tiki

“The deal with the public schools goes on as we speak and I don’t hear the NYTs saying a word, do you?”

Nope but, I’m not running around calling everyone a Catholic basher.


43 posted on 04/01/2010 2:02:42 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Kids in Catholic schools also run a 200% greater risk of being educated.


44 posted on 04/01/2010 2:03:49 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: babble-on
Do the schools cover it up and transfer the teachers to new schools without telling anyone at the new school about the pedophilia?

Yes.

45 posted on 04/01/2010 2:04:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
In the light of the info at #3 and #33 apparently corrective steps have reduced the incidence of abuse, at present, to near-zero in most Catholic institutions --- a record not even remotely approached in any other church or school system in the USA, and certainly not in the public schools.

Certainly standards should be higher, and expectations higher, in Catholic institutions than in others. ("Of those to whom much has been given, much will be expected.")

But now the pressure being exerted on the Church is truly irrational: I'm talking about the fact that the Church is being pressured to accept homosexuality, and is being politically and legally attacked for discriminating against homosexuals in employment and in social services, e.g. for refusing to place children for adoption with homosexual couples.

The LDS and the Boy Scouts -- which also don't accept homosexual leadership or accommodate homosexual behavior ---are being similarly pressured.

Ever wonder why?

46 posted on 04/01/2010 2:04:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Do you mean now?" ---Yogi Berra, when asked "What time is it?" ---)
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To: fish hawk

Uh...HUH?

‘they are either fired or go to jail”...What alternate reality are you living in????

Teachers DON’T get fired....very very very rarely!

Teachers have a UNION...no one better touch them!
there is no National Teacher Organization...like the Catholic church is an international organization.

Do you really think the NEA or the Congress, or Justice Dept is going to ‘fire” or ‘remove a teacher?

but you know, some people like you...NO MATTER WHAT THE FACTS ARE...they just go on with their mantras...Usually these people are Libs or Dems.


47 posted on 04/01/2010 2:06:35 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: topher
The author of this article is correct. The Catholic Church is being unfairly singled out by the Mainstream ( Marxist) media. And..I agree. The motive of the Marxists is to destroy and delegitimize this church.

Abuse in our government schools by staff and other students, I would suspect, far, far, far exceeds anything that every went on in the Catholic Church.

If the Catholic leadership had been more careful about allowing Marxist infiltration into its teaching and leadership ranks, it would have had far less trouble with homosexuality and child abuse. The Catholic Church would be wise to remove these Marxist elements from its ranks. That seems unlikely, though. Witness the Catholic Church's response to Notre Dame, Kennedy's funeral, and so-called Catholic pro-abortion politicians.

48 posted on 04/01/2010 2:09:07 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: tiki

I don’t currenly have a child in public school. As far as I know, neither my Wife, children or any of our friend’s children have ever been sexually abused in school.

I do know it happens from time to time.


49 posted on 04/01/2010 2:09:12 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Teachers fired???/HA.

How about that huge building in NYC that houses “suspended’ teachers and they just go there every day, hundreds of them and hang out and get their full pay..but the Educ Board can’t have them in the classroom.

why don’t you go to DU or Moveon and keep repeating the same banal things over and over and over...why bother to acknowledge change/ why bother with the facts?

Just keep posting the same post over and over and over..
this is where Freeper is NO different than the NY times or DU...Catholic Bashing with a refusal to look at the facts.


50 posted on 04/01/2010 2:12:21 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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