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The Scandal Driving the Church Sex Scandal
American Thinker ^ | April 01, 2010 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 04/01/2010 10:02:27 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 04/01/2010 10:02:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Isn’t it nice that the Leftistsscum media picked the Holiest Week in the Catholic calendar to smear Catholics?

I can’t wait to read about the Muslim atrocities committed arornd the world during Ramadan


2 posted on 04/01/2010 10:04:31 PM PDT by Columbia ("The Gem of the Ocean, The home of the brave and the free, the shrine of each patriotÂ’s devotion")
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To: neverdem

So keep kids away from teachers and priests; got it.


3 posted on 04/01/2010 10:04:59 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: sabe@q.com

“A Perspective on Clergy Sexual Abuse by Dr. Thomas Plante of Stanford University and Santa Clara University states that ‘available research suggests that approximately 2 to 5% of priests have had a sexual experience with a minor’ which ‘is lower than the general adult male population that is best estimated to be closer to 8%.’”


4 posted on 04/01/2010 10:12:13 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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This is the article I've been waiting for. He doesn't mention some things (like the Lavender Mafia) or the fact that sexual abuse has way tapered off, details like that. But the most important points are all there. The hatred of Catholicism is what is driving the current load, not hatred of sexual abuse of minors. Maybe a very few critics are sincere, but if they mention nothing except the Catholic Church, they're just Catholic haters IMO.

5 posted on 04/01/2010 10:14:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I don’t think you’re on either ping list, thought you’d like this article.


6 posted on 04/01/2010 10:15:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Columbia

If the abuse didn’t happen, it’s a smear.

If it did, it is not a smear.

Know the truth and it will set you free.


7 posted on 04/01/2010 10:16:09 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Valpal1

so? and why are you pinging me from thread to thread? Please stop.


8 posted on 04/01/2010 10:18:00 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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bttt


9 posted on 04/01/2010 10:18:45 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: little jeremiah

Excellent article from beginning to end.


10 posted on 04/01/2010 10:26:01 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sabe@q.com

Why to help you in your qwest for justice, of course.


11 posted on 04/01/2010 10:30:04 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Valpal1

Again, please stop pinging me.


12 posted on 04/01/2010 10:38:09 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’ve been hoping a summary type article would be posted that I could ping out. The attacks on Catholicism and the Pope have reached a deafening crescendo and I can’t stand to read any of them.


13 posted on 04/01/2010 10:52:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: neverdem
There are between one million and one and half million K-12 teachers in the U.S. and about 46,000 Catholic priests.

But in making comparisons of cases of abuse definitions of what constitutes abuse matter greatly. Here from one of the studies referred to in the article are some pertinent comments on what is called abuse in the study:

“POLICY AND PROGRAM STUDIES SERVICE
Educator Sexual Misconduct:
A Synthesis of Existing LiteratureUsing the Ontario College of Teachers “Professional Advisory on
Professional Misconduct Related to Sexual Abuse and Sexual Misconduct” (2002,
p. 2) as a guide, educator sexual misconduct in this review is defined as any
“behavior of a sexual nature which may constitute professional misconduct.”
(p. 1). Included in this broad listing are several types of conduct including overt
and covert actions:
• Any conduct that would amount to sexual harassment under Title IX
of the (U.S.) Education Amendments of 1972.
• Any conduct that would amount to sexual abuse of a minor person
under state criminal codes.
• Any sexual relationship by an educator with a student, regardless of
the student’s age; with a former student under 18; with a former
student (regardless of age) who suffers from a disability that would
prevent consent in a relationship. All students enrolled in the school
and in any organization in which the educator holds a position of
trust and responsibility are included.
• Any activity directed toward establishing a sexual relationship such
as sending intimate letters; engaging in sexualized dialogue in
person, via the Internet, in writing or by phone; making suggestive
comments; dating a student....

3.1.1.1 AAUW data and Shakeshaft secondary analysis. This
analysis used data collected for American Association of University Women in Fall 2000
by Harris International. Eighth through 11th grade students in the sample responded to a
survey administered by trained interviewers during English classes. The survey asked
students about their experiences of various forms of sexual harassment or abuse in
school using the question below. Students responded to each of the 14 types of sexual
harassment listed below by selecting one of the following frequencies: “often,”
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“occasionally,” “rarely,” “never,” or “don’t know.” The 14 stems were developed by an
advisory panel of experts in the field of sexual harassment and correspond to behaviors
that legally constitute sexual harassment, abuse, or misconduct. The question focuses
on experiences that occurred in school. The gating question asked students to respond
to each type of behavior, no matter who the abuser had been. Follow-up questions for
each of the behaviors identified the role of the abuser (student, teacher, other school
employee, etc.) and the place where the abuse occurred. The question asked students
was:
During your whole school life, how often, if at all, has anyone (this includes
students, teachers, other school employees, or anyone else) done the following
things to you when you did not want them to?
• Made sexual comments, jokes, gestures, or looks.
• Showed, gave or left you sexual pictures, photographs, illustrations,
messages, or notes.
• Wrote sexual messages/graffiti about you on bathroom walls, in locker
rooms, etc.
• Spread sexual rumors about you.
• Said you were gay or a lesbian.
• Spied on you as you dressed or showered at school.
• Flashed or “mooned” you.
• Touched, grabbed, or pinched you in a sexual way.
• Intentionally brushed up against you in a sexual way.
• Pulled at your clothing in a sexual way.
• Pulled off or down your clothing.
• Blocked your way or cornered you in a sexual way.
• Forced you to kiss him/her.
• Forced you to do something sexual, other than kissing.”

Blocking someones way is not the same as anally sodomizing a seven year old boy.

Nor is signing a teaching contract a vocation from God.

14 posted on 04/02/2010 12:10:52 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Nor is signing a teaching contract a vocation from God.

I think maybe if you polled the media behind this treatment they'd say teaching is a vocation from God and priest isn't.

15 posted on 04/02/2010 1:03:17 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: neverdem

Good stuff.


16 posted on 04/02/2010 1:24:31 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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Do you have the questionnaire or study with questions asked of abuse victims re: priests?
17 posted on 04/02/2010 1:32:07 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: D-fendr
As a lawyer might plead, “Your Honor, How can my client get a fair trial with all this evidence against him?”.
18 posted on 04/02/2010 2:02:41 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: AliVeritas

No. Does one exist?


19 posted on 04/02/2010 2:06:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: little jeremiah
He doesn't mention some things (like the Lavender Mafia) ....

The "Velvet Underground" was what gay Hollywood called the Hollywood homo's of the 50's like Rock Hudson, Tallulah Bankhead, and Barbara Stanwyck ..... is that what you're referring to? Sounds like it might be different.

Now we've had for a dozen years Kevin Jennings, the alpha predator of all ephebophiles, kicking in the schoolhouse door.

20 posted on 04/02/2010 2:16:35 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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