Skip to comments.Army Report: GIs Outgunned in Afghanistan
Posted on 04/03/2010 1:03:04 PM PDT by neverdem
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How about some B-52s?
“. The 7.62, on the other hand, starts falling out of the sky at a couple hundred yards.”
Which “7.62”? 7.62 NATO or 7.62x39? The two are completely different and the 7.62 NATO certainly doesn’t fall out of the sky in only a few hundred yards.
I’d suggest getting the Germans to put the 88 back into production. Return fire from that would discourage the snipers.
The reason Tubbs and Gallegher shoot the 5.56 is that these are service matches, requiring the use of a military service round.
The fact is, as someone pointed out up the line, the Mattie Mattel was another gift to the Leftists from Robert Macnamera. Riflemen shoot it because they have to, not because they want to.
The M-16 has gone through how many revisions, 4 or 5, and you want to do another? Odd how, for 50 years, the rifle never quite seems to do well, and one more "fix" will do the job...
Personal opinion: I was lucky enough to qualify with the M-14 in boot camp, and even over the years, with experience on the 16, FN, AK-47 and 74, the 14 was the best.
It's odd that I don't hear these kinds of marksmanship complaints from the Corps...
I wonder why?
Yes, but the enemy is not wearing vests, so which is better in that case? I think if we had a President with the balls to back out of that stupid 100 year old treaty against using JHP, our ground troops would be in a much better position.
You know that's an AP round, and illegal, don't you?
B-52s have proven difficult to deploy in the field. They are heavy, and most troops have difficulty carrying them on their backs. In addition, the ammunition can weigh thousands of pounds, and magazines large enough to hold the ammunition are expensive and prohibitively large.
They don't call it the POODLE SHOOTER for nothing!
They need a few of these in every squad:
"In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised."
-- General George S. Patton Jr.
The FAL. And BTW, it's 7.62x51 NATO, not 52.
“”3006 black tips”
Might be useful to have a few around. And since all guns will soon be illegal, who cares?
How about a 338 Lapua or an RSAUM?
M14s have been used extensively in the Army (see link) since the beginning of current conflicts.
They are also in use by Navy and Marines.
Over the past 5-6 years I have seen a few articles about the ineffective stopping power of the 5.56mm round. I remember one where troops stated it was taking 2-3 rounds to put down the jihadis. Also remember another where some Special Ops troops were being taught to shoot at lower abdomen rather than center mass to increase chance of stopping their target quickly by hitting a hip or major artery.
My first question too....how many M14s still around?
Jeff Cooper was predicting this twenty years ago.
We used M-14s as sniper rifles over in Iraq.
I remember handling one of them,I would take them over the M-16.The M-4 has at least some use because of its much shorter barrel.
Thanks for the links.
I’ve used the M16,the only effective shot to an enemy would be to the head.Of course at close range the M16 will effectively shred an opponent,but if the SHTF I’m carrying my HK 91.(and my 1911,screw those 9mm pussy pistols)
You ain't going shooting with me.
whatever round our military uses, be sure to lube with Pig Fat
Those rounds aren’t designed for expansion, but better accuracy.
Mosin Nagant M91/30s.
7.62 x 54R. Hundreds of thousands of re-armored models available for about $80 each.
Reach out a country mile accurately with stock iron sights.
Please have a clue before you spout something like the above.
The rifling rate of twist in relation to the bullet length and velocity governs bullet stability, not barrel length.
AP is not illegal.
dam you sure are arrogant for such a moron.
I know this is BS. How can a frikcin' rifle cost 8,000 dollars? There are plenty of rifles that can blow the eyebrows off of a fly at 1,000 yards that cost less than 1,000 dollars. Not to mention we must have plenty of M14s salted away somewhere, that is if Clinton didn't cut them up when he did the B52s.
Pig Fat vs islamic terrorist
SILVER BULLET GUN OIL can be used in or on ALL weapons and weapons systems.
Put a drop on the remains of ‘’suicide bombers’’ for the same effect-No Paradise! FOR
MAXIMUM IMPACT DOWNRANGE; USE ‘’SILVER BULLET’’ AND MAKE SURE THE ISLAMO-FASCIST
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Those rounds arent designed for expansion, but better accuracy.
Regardless of what they were “designed” for, an open point round is by definition, a hollowpoint. It is an academic distinction without a difference.
Furthermore, since we still have not signed on to the protocol specifically prohibiting it, why aren’t we fielding expanding ammunition. (rhetorical)
(Also rhetorical) Rounds considered humane for killing game are not humane for killing people, and rounds humane for killing people are not humane for killing game. How can both be true, given a single definition for humane?
I agree 1000%. Take a Remington 700P and shoot Federal Gold Match .308 win, 168 grain. This round was recommended by Carlos Hathcock.
Start now. Give ‘em M1As in the meantime.
See smokingfrog’s link at post # 27. I would love to have one of those M14 EBR’s.
AR-10s would also work.
Give ‘em SOCOMs.
Gee, every M-1A I have utilized worked great...
I'm looking forward to going to the range tomorrow to see.
I have eight MNs. Six 91/30s and two M44s. I love them all! I wasn't looking to get that many, but I just kept finding really nice examples on sale and couldn't pass them up.
Close-up view on the controls of the military M14 rifle, including fire mode selector switch (on receiver above the trigger)
Source URL: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as15-e.htm
Source URL: http://www.lrbarms.com/
See that metal lever missing below and behind the rear sight. The lower M14 would only fire semi, IIRC. My memory is 40 years old.
There’s actually still production of them, but re-branded as the M21 and the M25 with some modernizations.
Match hollow points don’t expand. The mk 262 and M118 are match hp.
The Hague Convention prohibits expanding bullets.
Put a few thousnd rounds through one.
Tubb shoots his T2k now, not service rifle.
Regardless, match 5.56 loses nothing to 762 NATO at range windage wise. The AR platform dominates service competition and that’s not because the M16 is the issue rifle. The M14 is harder to keep running accuracy wise and harder to shoot well. The AMU proved that in the 90s.
I called the selector switch a ‘key’ because it was removable. Unless they changed it, I’m pretty sure that all M-14s were select fire.
I saw why it wasn’t used as full-auto when they handed one to a desk-jockey-looking sergeant to fire. When he pulled the trigger the barrel rose to near vertical and he looked to fall backwards before he released the trigger.
The M-14 manuals showed a variety of models that were likely never used. With a wire stock, with a pistol grip (meant for full-auto and, if the old brain is reliable, designated as M-2) and so on.
So they went down to the PX and bought
Remington model 700's and Redfield Widefield scopes