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Women in submarines face health issues
washingtontimes.com ^ | April 5, 2010 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 04/04/2010 9:45:22 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

On the surface, the Navy's leadership has sounded exuberant in speaking publicly about its recent decision to begin deploying female sailors in the cramped confines of combat submarines by next year.

But behind the scenes, the prospect of coed submarines is presenting medical and ship-construction challenges.

A specialist on undersea medicine is warning Congress that the air inside a submarine can be hazardous to fetal development.

"Atmosphere controls are different between ships and a submarine's sealed environment," retired Rear Adm. Hugh Scott, a former undersea medical officer, told The Washington Times. "There are all types of organic traces that off-gas into the air that have to be removed by mechanical means. You just can't open a window and let them out."

Adm. Scott said the Office of Naval Research contacted him about serving on a panel to study women and submarine issues, but he never heard back. A spokesman for the office said he had no immediate information on any submarine study.

The Navy is following the template it is using to allow gays in the military. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates voiced support for removing the ban on gays, then ordered a study to determine the impact on combat readiness and military families.

During congressional testimony this year, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus and Adm. Gary Roughead, chief of naval operations, enthusiastically endorsed placing Navy women in subs.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


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1 posted on 04/04/2010 9:45:22 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

>>”There are all types of organic traces that off-gas into the air that have to be removed by mechanical means. You just can’t open a window and let them out.” <<

IOW, when men fart, you can’t luff the covers.


2 posted on 04/04/2010 9:46:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t think the “diversity” knucklehead crowd in the Pentagon is really all that concerned about the health of their female sailors. “Diversity” and “social engineering” in number one on the military’s list of priorities right now.


3 posted on 04/04/2010 9:51:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Dumbest idea I ever heard of, women on submarines ...


4 posted on 04/04/2010 9:51:59 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Well there you have it, I guess...we've been building our submarines wrong all these years...
5 posted on 04/04/2010 9:52:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Open toilets, dangerous gases, fetal damage, lack of physical strength, getting pregnant ...

WHen an emergency comes will Gates be there to cover for them?

Remember the 9 fatal crashes during training for our next F-16 to-be-pilot???

Then she sued!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 04/04/2010 9:54:30 PM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Blame Lauren Holly, she started it all.


Down Periscope

7 posted on 04/04/2010 9:55:26 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Free ThinkerNY

See “Das Boot”, then decide if you want an underwater fetus.


8 posted on 04/04/2010 9:57:33 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A million crude jokes using the words “down” and “under” are flooding my brain. Not to mention references about “scrubbing the head.”

Seriously, though, isn’t a laugh riot that men could breathe that same toxic soup for decades without a single complaint, but the moment women step on board, suddenly we need a can of Fabreze ready to lighten up the aroma? How about one of those odor eaters in an outlet? At least spray the bathroom after using it. (My wife’s favorite complaint, by the way.) A nice floral decor would make everything better... at least until that special gal with those allergies to offensive odors comes on board.

Our descendents will find this era a gold mine for absurd humor.


9 posted on 04/04/2010 9:58:47 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: freedumb2003
And what are they gonna do with all those 'pre-owned' tampoons? Fire them out a torpedo tube? It would look like a can of cuttlefish exploded.........


10 posted on 04/04/2010 9:58:48 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Where the hell can I get a court injunction to keep my own government out of my life?!?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Jock rot” is bad enough...what do they call it for women?


11 posted on 04/04/2010 9:59:30 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"air inside a submarine can be hazardous to fetal development."

Oh, god! roflmbo The things you have to worry about when you make changes you haven't thought out.

12 posted on 04/04/2010 10:02:09 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oh sweet *censored*. THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA!


13 posted on 04/04/2010 10:06:07 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (FUBO! FUNP! FUHR! FUBS!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Operation petticoat...
14 posted on 04/04/2010 10:06:20 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: freedumb2003

That crap is in the air for up to 4 months if you are on a nuclear deterrent patrol, guys get wacky on these extended cruises..can only wonder at the sexual harassment claims this will create.


15 posted on 04/04/2010 10:07:45 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Sorry, guys, but I would not want to be 500 ft down in a pressure hull with a partial complement of ratings with PMS. No thanks.


16 posted on 04/04/2010 10:07:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: redpoll

I stipulate that women are sometimes physically as hardy if not hardier than men. But what is the point of mixing them with men if an all male crew can perform better. Should the NCAA make Duke add a woman to the mix?


17 posted on 04/04/2010 10:09:30 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Stupidity . . .

I look forward to the day when front-line officers are in charge again, and these desk driving idiots are retried.

18 posted on 04/04/2010 10:10:27 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (insert witty comment here)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“air inside a submarine can be hazardous to fetal development.”
There’s two ways to save developing babies in submarines, 1) Don’t let women serve aboard subs and 2) don’t let pregnant women into the submarines.
Problem solved.


19 posted on 04/04/2010 10:10:59 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (I have the right to remain silent, but I lack the ability...........)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Another potential problem when you mix submarines and women ...


20 posted on 04/04/2010 10:12:38 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Easy solution. The boomers must surface every 72 hours to accomodate potential pregancies.

What, that might impact military preparedness and deterence? Who cares? This is about EQUALITY! After all, what’s more important, PC or mere military concerns? Our so-called “enemies” will understand! (Better than we want, in fact.)


21 posted on 04/04/2010 10:14:10 PM PDT by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Dumbest idea I ever heard of, women on submarines ...

Not sure that women on subs is dumb, BUT, a pregnant woman on a sub, yeah, that sounds dumb. jmo

22 posted on 04/04/2010 10:17:48 PM PDT by Netizen
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

The thing that comes to my mind is will there be a professional gynecologist on board the sub, too? If a woman gets pregnant while on a six month cruise she either going to need an OB/GYN or they will have to drop her off at the nearest port.

Which do you think will happen?


23 posted on 04/04/2010 10:18:20 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: FlingWingFlyer

At that level they are more politicians than military officers when working with Congress. Say the right thing and you get promoted. Say the wrong thing and your career of pet project goes in the dumps. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is in control so women on subs is a great idea.


24 posted on 04/04/2010 10:19:13 PM PDT by airedale
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To: dila813

Morale is going to go waaaayyyy down once the PMS starts flying and the word will get out to the men not to sign up for any sub service.


25 posted on 04/04/2010 10:21:53 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sinking the Bismarck?
26 posted on 04/04/2010 10:24:36 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: piytar

Or, the sub has to now carry evacuation pods.


27 posted on 04/04/2010 10:26:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Jack Hydrazine

If they are on the pill there won’t be any PMS (or accidental pregnancies) but requiring that is a whole nother ball of wax.


28 posted on 04/04/2010 10:28:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It seems to me the simple solution to the pregnancy problem is to require that women on sub duty use high-rel implantable contraception -- the kind you can't just "forget" at an inconvenient time, and that has an excellent success rate. Make sure they're not knocked up when they sign on, and keep 'em that way.

The military has no problem requiring troops to take medications, preventatives, and whatnot for other reasons, and this seems like a reasonable precaution. Any women who don't want that type of contraception will be assigned to non-sub duties.

The likelihood of accidental pregnancy is thus reduced to a level that puts it below a lot of other possible problems. This seems pretty straightforward.

Putting women on subs is dumb for a lot of reasons, but pregnancy doesn't have to be one of the main ones.

29 posted on 04/04/2010 10:29:11 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Pink Sub


30 posted on 04/04/2010 10:29:35 PM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: freedumb2003

I have heard that the menstrual cycle of women who live in close confines tend to synchronize. Can you imagine the joy of being confined inside a submerged submarine with 20 odd women who are all having PMS at the same time?


31 posted on 04/04/2010 10:30:20 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: HiTech RedNeck
> If they are on the pill there won’t be any PMS (or accidental pregnancies) but requiring that is a whole nother ball of wax.

see my post just below yours. There's plenty of precedent for the military requiring troops to take preventative medications and substances for avoiding trouble that could compromise safety, health, or the mission. Contraceptives are no different.

32 posted on 04/04/2010 10:30:50 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Ronin
> I have heard that the menstrual cycle of women who live in close confines tend to synchronize. Can you imagine the joy of being confined inside a submerged submarine with 20 odd women who are all having PMS at the same time?

Or a week later, when they're all on the rag at once? Good lord, the stink of the place will out-do anything the guys could cook up, including all farting at once!

Maybe the solution is to only allow women that are sufficiently non-feminine, or hyper-athletic, whose menstrual cycles have stopped.

33 posted on 04/04/2010 10:34:04 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If they are on the pill there won’t be any PMS (or accidental pregnancies) but requiring that is a whole nother ball of wax.

I don't know a whole lot about submarines. Do they recycle waste water? If so, then you will have the same problem with the sub water supply that you have with the water supply in the general population - high estrogen levels partly due to excreted material after taking hormone-based birth control. Do you want your sub guys getting regular doses of estrogen?
34 posted on 04/04/2010 10:36:12 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: PokeyJoe
I look forward to the day when front-line officers are in charge again, and these desk driving idiots are retried.

Heh-heh! Where do you think thses "desk driving idiots" come from?

35 posted on 04/04/2010 10:42:12 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: fr_freak

I believe power from the engine is used to desalinate seawater for drinking and cooking. Estrogens wouldn’t be the only problem here; antibiotics would be too.


36 posted on 04/04/2010 10:50:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: freedumb2003
Women on their periods also have a different odor about them and their waste. In a confined area that also would be a odor problem and disposal problem...the whole idea is nuts unless the whole team is female. and then send them out when they are all PMS ing...For some reason women in families will many times go on their menses at the same time. Its unconscious not consciously done...Women in close quarters on a sub will do the same thing I believe..

There have been studies on this situation. no one knows why it happens...

37 posted on 04/04/2010 11:00:58 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Drango

Creeping crude?


38 posted on 04/04/2010 11:02:33 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Remember the 9 fatal crashes during training for our next F-16 to-be-pilot??? Then she sued!!!!!!!!!

She sued after she fatally crashed nine times? Wow! The Navy Medical Corps must be outstanding.

39 posted on 04/04/2010 11:05:15 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: goat granny

>>the whole idea is nuts unless the whole team is female. and then send them out when they are all PMS ing<<

That would be the most vicious weapon of any military force of any country ever!

“Ma’am, they are waving the white flag...”

“They’re MEN!! RIDDLE THAT FLAG WITH THE .50 CAL, THEN SINK THEIR ASSES, THEN SINK THE PARTS THAT FLOAT!!!!””


40 posted on 04/04/2010 11:06:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: freedumb2003

ROFL!!


41 posted on 04/04/2010 11:08:51 PM PDT by Allegra (SEIU delenda est)
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To: Jeff Gordon; DontTreadOnMe2009
She sued after she fatally crashed nine times? Wow! The Navy Medical Corps must be outstanding.


42 posted on 04/04/2010 11:09:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Craven spirits wear their master's collars but real men would rather feed the battlefield's vultures)
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To: freedumb2003
Unless there have been significant improvements in the past 30 years, we were never able to get CO2 below twice normal. We recirculated air from deep fat fryers, and vented sanitary tanks with air, and the vented that air inboard through carbon filters. That made us very thankful that olfactory nerves are primarily differential. However, when you go home, and smelled your clothes the next day, you understood why your wife had only hugged and kissed you briefly the day before.
43 posted on 04/04/2010 11:09:58 PM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If the US Navy has such concerns about women serving on submarines and all the occupational hazards mentioned, I’m sure they can pick up the phone and call NASA for suggestions. If women can orbit the planet on a spaceship, I’m sure cruising the undersea world in a sub won’t be a problem.


44 posted on 04/04/2010 11:24:02 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: dayglored

From talking to some Marines I know that have been deployed on Carrier duty, which is usually about six months or so, it is the women who usually start shagging men first. Women can last about three months before their hormones go off the scale and quite a few become preggo while deployed on a carrier.


45 posted on 04/04/2010 11:25:25 PM PDT by skimask
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To: skimask
> From talking to some Marines I know that have been deployed on Carrier duty, which is usually about six months or so, it is the women who usually start shagging men first. Women can last about three months before their hormones go off the scale and quite a few become preggo while deployed on a carrier.

That doesn't surprise me at all.

Hell, put me or any other normal male in a restricted space with group of mostly women, most of whom are in prime health and mating/procreating time of life, and tell me I wouldn't be going nuts to get some action after three months.

I don't doubt there would be "action" on the subs. I just don't think pregnancy has to be the result.

Fistfights, on the other hand, might be more common...

46 posted on 04/04/2010 11:30:36 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Flying is right, that stuff will float in the air for months.


47 posted on 04/04/2010 11:33:40 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Free ThinkerNY

America needs to be led by its warriors ,not the lawyers .
And to hell with all the career officers who will brown nose and agree with anything and everything the CIV’s come up with.


48 posted on 04/05/2010 12:51:33 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: dayglored
"Maybe the solution is to only allow women that are sufficiently non-feminine, or hyper-athletic, whose menstrual cycles have stopped."

Sure. Require them all to undergo hysterectomies first, then pump some steroids into 'em. They won't look as widely advertised by amazonian feminist weirdos, but our confused, inbred leadership won't care.

Our nation needs the cleansing of a default. The sooner the sexually confused trash is taken out, the sooner we'll see men in charge of government.


49 posted on 04/05/2010 12:57:10 AM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: dayglored

Or put only those who are over 50 years of age on board. ;-)


50 posted on 04/05/2010 1:01:58 AM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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