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Questions Arise Over Army Bases’ Disposition of Surplus Cartridge Cases
NRA - ILA ^ | April 01, 2010 | NA

Posted on 04/05/2010 10:59:06 AM PDT by neverdem


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Questions Arise Over Army Bases’ Disposition of Surplus Cartridge Cases
 
Thursday, April 01, 2010
 

Last week, NRA-ILA learned that quantities of once-fired small arms cartridge cases recovered from firing ranges on military bases, which by federal law the Department of Defense is prohibited from demilitarizing or destroying, were being sold for scrap.

A governing law in this matter, developed with input from NRA-ILA, is a rider to the 2010 Department of Defense Appropriations Act. It stipulates that “None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use.” However, military bases are authorized to dispose of a variety of items, including surplus cartridge cases, via the Qualified Recycling Program, in place for more than a decade.

NRA members will recall that it was one year ago when a bureaucratic glitch led to the Department of Defense temporarily suspending sales of once-fired cartridge cases.  Montana’s U.S. Senators Max Baucus (D) and Jon Tester (D) quickly conveyed to the Defense Logistics Agency their judgment that “The destruction of fired brass is unwarranted and has far reaching implications,” including its “impact on small businesses who sell reloaded ammunition utilizing these fired casings, and upon individual gun owners who purchase spent military brass at considerable cost savings for their personal use.” A summary of last year’s “demil” controversy can be reviewed here.

Last week, NRA-ILA again contacted Senators Baucus and Tester to request that they investigate the current disposition of surplus small arms cartridge cases with a view to determining the best way to assure their continued provision to Americans who buy the cases for resale and reloading use. Jointly, Senators Baucus and Tester have made their concerns known to the Defense Logistics Agency and asked its chief to explain, by April 15, the extent which military installations have contracted with private companies for the scrapping of fired cartridge cases, whether such contracts comply with federal law, and what steps the agency is taking “to ensure that all interested buyers have the opportunity to purchased once-fired small arms cartridge cases.”

NRA will continue working with members of Congress and the Pentagon to guarantee that the long-standing practice of making surplus military small arms cartridge cases available for reuse by reloaders continues in perpetuity. NRA members are encouraged to inform their U.S. Senators and Representatives that they expect Army bases to do everything possible to ensure the continued supply of once-fired cartridge cases through channels making them available to the public.

You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121, and your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121 or use our "Write Your Representatives" tool.Click here(pdf) to read the letter from Senators Baucus and Tester



Find this item at: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5671


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; brass; obamathugs; reloading

1 posted on 04/05/2010 10:59:06 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Isn’t this about Obama’s executive order that they must be sold for scrap? It was one of his very first E.O’s.


2 posted on 04/05/2010 11:01:22 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: OafOfOffice

The first time they tried this they put a few small processors/reloaders out of business now they want to put the rest out as well.


3 posted on 04/05/2010 11:06:57 AM PDT by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: neverdem
You'd think this administration would love reloaders. Heck, they're just recyclers going “green.”
4 posted on 04/05/2010 11:09:12 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: OafOfOffice

Someone told me there is a difference but I am not gun or ammo savvy.

Word is last night Obama signed an executive order to stop all sales of reloadable 5.56 and 7.62 brass. From here out it has to be ‘mutilated’ and sold as scrap. Here’s the read from Georgia Arms.....

http://georgia-arms.com/

Due to new government regulations concerning the purchasing of surplus brass, we are removing sales of all 223 and all 308 until further notice. Below is a copy of the email we recieved from Goverment Liqudiations.

“Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government. “

There is some more info over there. It’s not just 5.56 and 308, it’s ALL caliber brass!!!

Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA’s current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale


5 posted on 04/05/2010 11:17:02 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: OafOfOffice
I don't think there was an E.O. related to this issue - but the matter is now apparently tangled up in the current DOD Appropriations Act.

It is odd, though, that Georgia Arms isn't hollering about this yet.

6 posted on 04/05/2010 11:18:13 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: colorado tanker

Did you ever hear of a dictatorial regime that wanted its citizens to be armed?


7 posted on 04/05/2010 11:18:17 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: neverdem

I’d sure like to get a hold of that brass, especially the .30 Carbine


8 posted on 04/05/2010 11:19:01 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Charles Martel

I am reading there was no EO also but I could swear I read one online. It was a rumor and actually the DOD?

http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html

Sunday, March 15, 2009
DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers

Military Surplus Cartridge Case Issue Resolved
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4629


9 posted on 04/05/2010 11:30:17 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: colorado tanker

Exactly!


10 posted on 04/05/2010 11:34:03 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
11 posted on 04/05/2010 11:35:00 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: colorado tanker

They’re reasoning was that a reloaded military cartridge could be used against law enforcement personel. (So could a “rock”, for that matter)

IE, they were worried that citizens would use them to protect themselves from agents of the state.


12 posted on 04/05/2010 11:36:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Joe Brower

We mustn’t let the peasants get access to too much cheap ammo.......


13 posted on 04/05/2010 11:42:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: OafOfOffice
Must stay vigilant. Before we know it, Obama and Holder will do some illegal process to ban arms.

Eric Holder signed an amicus brief in support of the Washington, D.C., ban on all handguns and the use of a gun for self-defense in D.C. homes.

He stated that the Second Amendment wasn’t meant for individuals but was only intended for government militias.

In other words, Obama's personal army will be the only ones armed.

14 posted on 04/05/2010 11:51:09 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: OafOfOffice

Remember who and what we are up against.

http://rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com/2008/09/guns-taxes-and-lies.html

Obama is at the point where he is saying what he needs to say to get elected. Here he is at a recent campaign stop:

“And if they tell you that, ‘Well, we’re not sure where he stands on guns.’ I want you to say, ‘He believes in the Second Amendment.’ If they tell you, ‘Well, he’s going to raise your taxes,’ you say, ‘No, he’s not, he’s going lower them.’ You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.”

But the “I believe in the Second Amendment” lie is the worst. Obama has had little legislative experience compared to Biden or McCain, but he still has had enough time to do plenty on gun rights.

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.


15 posted on 04/05/2010 11:59:55 AM PDT by OafOfOffice (W.C:Socialism:Philosophy of failure,creed of ignorance,gospel of envy,the equal sharing of misery)
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To: neverdem
Why are they worried about empty cases when you buy brand new Lake City green tips for $860/2000 rounds?

The price on the website is $880 but you get a $10/case discount if you pay by check.
16 posted on 04/05/2010 12:14:14 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: neverdem
Last week, NRA-ILA learned that quantities of once-fired small arms cartridge cases recovered from firing ranges on military bases, which by federal law the Department of Defense is prohibited from demilitarizing or destroying, were being sold for scrap.

This is AWESOME. The cases don't need to be destroyed, and they can be bought by the ton.

NRA: STFU before you screw it up.

17 posted on 04/05/2010 12:20:21 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: MrB

Given the breathtaking ignorance of the higher-ups in this administration, it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t know what an expended cartridge really is. They probably think it can still be fired.


18 posted on 04/05/2010 1:51:42 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Fido969

Maybe you should understand what you are reading, before you post...


19 posted on 04/05/2010 2:22:56 PM PDT by Double Tap
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To: atomic_dog
3 years ago I paid 189.00 a thousand, delivered for that from Ammoman.

L

20 posted on 04/05/2010 2:25:51 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Fido969

“This is AWESOME. The cases don’t need to be destroyed, and they can be bought by the ton.”

Being “sold as scrap” means being shredded, not being sold in usable condition.


21 posted on 04/05/2010 2:29:38 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: atomic_dog

“Why are they worried about empty cases when you buy brand new Lake City green tips for $860/2000 rounds?”

Reloading is cheaper and generally results in better ammunition than the fails-QC sweepings from Lake City.


22 posted on 04/05/2010 2:32:24 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Double Tap

I understand what I’m talking about, I bid on these cases.


23 posted on 04/05/2010 4:17:12 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: neverdem
“None of the funds available to the Department of Defense may be used to demilitarize or dispose of M-1 Carbines, M-1 Garand rifles, M-14 rifles, .22 caliber rifles, .30 caliber rifles, or M-1911 pistols, or to demilitarize or destroy small arms ammunition or ammunition components that are not otherwise prohibited from commercial sale under Federal law, unless the small arms ammunition or ammunition components are certified by the Secretary of the Army or designee as unserviceable or unsafe for further use.”

I love it! "Feed all the Beretta Nine's you want to the crusher, just so long as you don't destroy any GOOD guns!"

24 posted on 04/05/2010 4:17:29 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Fido969

“I understand what I’m talking about, I bid on these cases.”

No, you don’t. They are referring to cases shred on post by ATK with the funds kept on the base, not brass sold on the surplus market throught Government Liquidation.


25 posted on 04/05/2010 6:08:16 PM PDT by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Fido969

Apparently not.

The NRA is trying to help guys like you continue to be able to bid on these cases instead of having the cases de-milled, or destroyed, for scrap metal.

ATK was moving de-mill equipment onto these bases and destroying the cases so they could then send the de-milled brass to a plant to get new brass made at a reduced cost.

But you knew all that and still want the NRA the STFU?


26 posted on 04/06/2010 5:09:22 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Double Tap

I’d like the NRA to quit asking me for more money.


27 posted on 04/06/2010 6:25:54 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: neverdem

ping


28 posted on 04/08/2010 2:00:56 PM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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