Skip to comments.Does U.S. Need To Split Along Political Lines?
Posted on 04/05/2010 5:15:07 PM PDT by Kaslin
Ten years ago I asked the following question in a column titled "It's Time To Part Company":
"If one group of people prefers government control and management of people's lives and another prefers liberty and a desire to be left alone, should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?"
The problem that our nation faces is very much like a marriage where one partner has broken, and has no intention of keeping, the marital vows. Of course, the marriage can remain intact and one party tries to impose his will on the other and engage in the deviousness of one-upmanship. Rather than submission by one party or domestic violence, a more peaceable alternative is separation.
I believe we are nearing a point where there are enough irreconcilable differences between those Americans who want to control other Americans and those Americans who want to be left alone that separation is the only peaceable alternative. Just as in a marriage, where vows are broken, our human rights protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution have been grossly violated by a government instituted to protect them.
The Democrat-controlled Washington is simply an escalation of a process that has been in full stride for at least two decades. There is no evidence that Americans who are responsible for and support constitutional abrogation have any intention of mending their ways.
You say, "Williams, what do you mean by constitutional abrogation?" Let's look at just some of the magnitude of the violations.
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two words....HELL YES
the red state/blue state civil war has no end.
Secession of the South, the political will grows daily
How bout all the socialist and Obama supporters just leave the country and go to some country where they believe socialism is “working”. While the people who believe in the Constitution stay here in America.
We can be nice and pay for their one way ticket out of here.
I propose we take the results from the 2010 election and blue counties go to the libs and red counties go to the conservatives. And then we can fix the isolated locations through trade, county for county.
YES UM’. the South shall rise again..
why is NC in texas? NC went for Obama and had a Dem controlled State Senate and State house, Dem Gov and 1 Dem Senator
India and Pakistan are not at peace with each other.
Looks like the kind of map I can get behind...lol
No. If you want government to take care of you, there are plenty of either countries where you can go. But you’re not taking any part of America with you.
Shoot, I’ll have to move. Southern Indiana looks good.
Yes indeed. I think it time to evaluate and do what is in the best interest of all people. If it be separate then we should do so immediately.
“Texas will again lift its head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” - Sam Houston
We already tried that didn’t we? Didn’t work out though.
It really comes down to this: My conservative political philosophy does not threaten or affect the freedom of liberals. I dont ask them to sacrifice anything for me, but they DEMAND I sacrifice for them
Yes, that is a great map. We in Texas will support this redistribution effort.
Can we move all the libs to the east coast and keep the west wild and free?
“should they be required to fight, antagonize one another, risk bloodshed and loss of life in order to impose their preferences or should they be able to peaceably part company and go their separate ways?”
Oh, the left will be in serious trouble if it comes down to a fight.
The liberals have some union muscle and a lot of ghetto dwellers to throw into the battle, but that is about it. They’d be in serious trouble if regular, suburban/rural, patriotic, gun owning American’s ever really decided to fight.
Well, I guess the socialists have aging hipsters, homosexuals, and college radicals in reserve, but they would likely surrender to even a few troops of cub scouts (whom the left no doubt view as the modern Hitler Youth).
No, the liberals better hope it never comes down to a real fight. They would lose and lose really, really fast.
Unfortunately liberals need our money. They’re not going to let us walk out without a fight.
Not after Nov 2nd.
The problem is that the divisions are not just between states in states. Get a county map. Essentially, the left is comprised of urban areas, some inner-ring suburbs, and Black and Latino rural counties. The rest is Republican.
I see it was uploaded by photobucket user “Bitter_clinger”, LOL!
We get all of VA. All liberals and illegals will be relocated to Chicagostonia. We should buy their houses just to get them out of our hair. We will re-annex these territories after they fall FOTA which they would do in less than 10 years.
When civil discourse has failed, civil war is next.
Yeah, but it's gonna put me right on the border with Chicagostonia. And I've already seen how some texans guard their borders.
Y’know...I live in Western WA State. If it came down to splitting based on politics, I see no reason why the Hell I can’t stay right where I am!
I have in-laws in Texas, but there’s no way in Hell that I could afford to move myself and 4 kids down there.
Why do _I_ have to move? Let the rat scum leave, not me!
Yes YES YES! It is beyond time for a national divorce.
Aw shoot, I thought this map was showing what portions where under water after the great Tsunami....
They could take Detroit!
Good point. Central Texas would be better. We do have one itsy-bitsy problem. Water.
Notice that every part falls under the sway of some foreign power.
That part has the ring of truth.
We become a global joke if we can't keep our union together.
“The problem is that the divisions are not just between states in states. Get a county map. Essentially, the left is comprised of urban areas, some inner-ring suburbs, and Black and Latino rural counties.”
Yeah, that is the problem. Even in the red areas, the urban sectors are dominated by leftists. Once an area gets urbanized it tends to vote for socialists. It appears to be a collectivist mindset that develops along with urban zones just attracting a lot of leechers and generally useless people who can kinda blend in and mooch off productive folks.
I think there may be some hope for the Black and Latino rural areas, but the urban zones are utterly hopeless. Urban areas will have to be entirely rethought going forward in order to prevent this collectivist mindset from rising over and over and over again.
The major problem with this idea is that the control lovers wouldn’t be happy with their section. They would look at the more prosperous liberty loving country and be eaten up with envy. Then they would move in... take over small enclaves, gradually increasing their representation... tweaking elections here and there... etc., just like they’ve done with the whole US. The deal is, they wouldn’t be happy to live and let live—authoritarians never are. As long as one person is outside of their control, they will not be happy.
That is why the country cannot be split. We must fight by whatever means necessary—limit “social” programs, force government onto a diet, and educate, educate, educate.
The liberal will just screw up their side and move to our side.
I da Ho and Utah won’t go with the Governator.
LSD - Lower, Slower Delaware
“...already tried that ...”
Well, yeah, but ... this time the Secesh crowd would have a lot of the Midwest farming and manufacturing areas. I believe we could make a go of it.
“The liberal will just screw up their side and move to our side.”
Immigration laws will just have to take into account a persons political worldview. Socialists simply can’t be allowed in, and the ones we have will be encouraged to leave as soon as possible.
Yes, of course their side will fail. It can’t work. Eventually it will have to be reintegrated much like East Germany was and North Korea will have to be. It will just have to be done carefully and the peoples will have to admit their entire worldview was wrong. They will need to disavow their previous political beliefs.
If we can just get them to peacefully go away, eventually they will be begging to come back.
Democrats would never allow it as there would be a very sharp contrast highlighting exactly why their positions are so wrong.
Every worker would move to the land of the free leaving a horde of system leeches behind in the tightly controlled land of “The Man”. The liberal gov’t would only last as long as the outside monies kept coming in, would be impossible to remain solvent otherwise.
I love the map, but I think we should be Texamerica.
You beat me to it, RatsDawg.
Split? Absolutely not! If someone in government ignores or attacks the Constitution they should be defeated and removed - not given the benefit of any “split”
Does *ANYONE* think that those that desire to control the lives of other human beings will willingly *ALLOW* those that do not to simply go their own way?
Nanny-staters of both camps will fight tooth and nail to keep control of their subjects.
One peaceful solution would be a return to federalism, where states simply refuse to comply with unconstitutional federal laws (as determined by the residents of individual states). A return to federalism would allow states like California and Illinois to continue their love affairs with socialism while allowing other states to live free.
I know this probably wouldn’t work, because leftists are not keen about letting other people live free. For one thing, there would probably be a mass exodus from left-leaning states to liberty loving ones. In the long run, they’d cut their own throats, but at least the rest of us would be spared from the totalitarian future they plan for themselves.
I do agree with Walter Williams that there’s a great divide between Americans who want government to do everything and those who simply want to be left alone. How is it even possible to still compromise with folks who are so diametrically opposed to the things we hold dear? Seriously! How can one even “reach across the aisle” to compromise with people who literally want to control every aspect of other people’s lives (except abortion)?
AND people fear social conservatives, growing angry if we merely mention the need for self-restraint (or Jesus). Some are so fearful of losing their porn, they fight as as though we are like the leftists who want to control what you drive, what you eat, where you live, how much you keep...