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US navy plans to ban smoking in submarines: report
AFP ^ | 4/5/2010 | AFP

Posted on 04/05/2010 10:11:40 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The top US naval officer has vowed to stop people lighting up in submarines, where the confined atmosphere has serious passive smoking implications, a report said Monday.

"We are going to stop smoking on submarines," Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead told a recent meeting of senior submariners, according to the Navy Times magazine.

Navy spokesman Lieutenant Commander Mark Jones confirmed a ban could be in the pipeline, telling AFP: "We are currently looking at changing the policy, but we have not changed the policy."

At present, smoking on US submarines is up to the commanding officer's discretion and there are designated areas on many vessels where the crew are allowed to smoke.

"That atmosphere moves around the submarine. You don't smell it but the damaging things from the smoke are still present," Roughead was quoted as saying by the Navy Times.

A Pentagon study last year carried out by the American Institute of Medicine revealed that soldiers smoke a lot more on average than civilians and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had seen a spike in smoking.

The last official figures for the US military, in 2005, showed that almost one third of personnel in the armed forces, 32 percent, smoke as opposed to just one in five of the American population as a whole.

Jones said up to 40 percent of US submariners smoke, making it all the more important to look into a ban for the overall health of American sailors

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1 posted on 04/05/2010 10:11:41 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

That would suck. Life is hard enough on a boat.


2 posted on 04/05/2010 10:13:58 PM PDT by downwdims (It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority)
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To: downwdims

I agree with you.


3 posted on 04/05/2010 10:14:39 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: downwdims

Time to switch to the chewing or snuff type of tobacco.


4 posted on 04/05/2010 10:15:32 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: sonofstrangelove

In my opinion, it’s a good idea because it greatly minimizes the risk of starting a fire aboard a sub, and a fire aboard a sub is reacted to instantly.


5 posted on 04/05/2010 10:16:31 PM PDT by myknowledge (B.H. Obama's just a frontman. A frontman for who? The globalist elite, stupid!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Fumes from every other substance in a submarine, include oil fumes, is so much less harmful (yea, right). Are they suggesting there are no air filters on a sub? This is right out of propagandaville.
6 posted on 04/05/2010 10:16:33 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: downwdims

Life is a lot harder when you have to endure someone else’s slimy, tarry, nicotine-laden stench at close range in a closed environment.


7 posted on 04/05/2010 10:16:39 PM PDT by Zauber
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well if they want to smoke, they could go outside to light up! /s


8 posted on 04/05/2010 10:17:53 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: sonofstrangelove

Would very much suck, but I can understand this one really. But what happens if the whole crew are smokers?


9 posted on 04/05/2010 10:18:43 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I wasn’t aware that was even allowed unless the sub is on the surface. They don’t need anything burning aboard a submerged sub.


10 posted on 04/05/2010 10:20:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: myknowledge

The new “vaporizer” e-cigarettes sound like an alternative for those who absolutely insist on the weed.


11 posted on 04/05/2010 10:21:55 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: sonofstrangelove

I honestly didn’t know they allowed smoking on subs in the first place.


12 posted on 04/05/2010 10:22:00 PM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: downwdims

Gays yes, smokes no?

Oh, I’m not to “ask.”


13 posted on 04/05/2010 10:22:24 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics)
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To: DemforBush

Same here.


14 posted on 04/05/2010 10:22:47 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Not sure I would want to be on a sub with a bunch of nicotine junkies going through withdrawal.
15 posted on 04/05/2010 10:26:27 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Banning smoking while inviting queers and women to subs. They must be Quakers of the Susan Anthony kind. Tie ‘em to the carttail, whip ‘em, and send ‘em back to where they came from. ;-)


16 posted on 04/05/2010 10:26:32 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: sonofstrangelove
A Pentagon study last year carried out by the American Institute of Medicine revealed that soldiers smoke a lot more on average than civilians and that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had seen a spike in smoking.

They actually needed a study for that.

17 posted on 04/05/2010 10:27:17 PM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: Fractal Trader
"Time to switch to the chewing or snuff type of tobacco."

No one has to smell it. I use Skoal long cut straight. But if they are stuck under water for long periods of time protecting us they should be allowed some vices.

18 posted on 04/05/2010 10:27:19 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Domandred

They quit deep, long and continuosly.


19 posted on 04/05/2010 10:30:37 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: myknowledge
In my opinion, it’s a good idea because it greatly minimizes the risk of starting a fire aboard a sub, and a fire aboard a sub is reacted to instantly.

Actually, it raises it. When navy ships in the past have tried to ban (or severly restrict) smoking, sailors would flout the rules and light up in unauthorized compartments. A recent multi-million dollar fire aboard USS George Washington (CVN-73) was caused by smoking in an unauthorized space (though there was no smoking ban on the ship at the time).

It's better to have a safe smoking area than have sailors sneaking away to smoke in unsafe areas.

20 posted on 04/05/2010 10:30:56 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: sonofstrangelove

My wife and I go to Vegas every once in a while. Cigarette smoking in the hotels and casinos is allowed, and very noticeable. The smell of stale cigarette smoke seems to be everywhere, including our hair and clothes after a while - just plain nauseating. I can only imagine how bad it must be in a submarine.


21 posted on 04/05/2010 10:32:56 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: familyop
Banning smoking while inviting queers and women to subs.

Well with queers or women on a sub something will be smoked.

22 posted on 04/05/2010 10:33:12 PM PDT by Pylon (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I find amusing that the motive is second hand smoke and not, like, that setting fires on a borderline deathtrap could make it less borderline-ish.


23 posted on 04/05/2010 10:38:24 PM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: downwdims

There are things in the air of a sub that are much more dangerous than a second hand smoke.

This is a farce.


24 posted on 04/05/2010 10:40:38 PM PDT by dila813
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To: sonofstrangelove

While they’re at it they should keep troops away from the smell of gunpowder. It gums up weapons, stinks like sulpher and studies have shown that secondhand gunpowder smoke can kill.


25 posted on 04/05/2010 10:40:48 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Alfred E. Neuman for President! Oh, wait a minute ...)
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To: downwdims

Next will be banning all the World War I, World War II, and Korean War movies.


26 posted on 04/05/2010 10:41:25 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Moose Burger

Captain: No smoking sailor! Oh, never mind, you can “smoke” the 8 inchers aboard my ship......Carry on!


27 posted on 04/05/2010 10:45:00 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I guess you haven’t seen any of the classic WWII movies with Clark Gable, Burt Lancaster, John Wayne, Kirk Douglass, Cary Grant, Edmond O’Brien...


28 posted on 04/05/2010 10:47:06 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

Just give ‘em “The Green Berets” down there, and cut out the smokes.


29 posted on 04/05/2010 10:47:31 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: sonofstrangelove

I am sure our Navy subs have air cleaning equipment on board. The sub is a closed environment. The food being cooked in the galley would circulate through the sub if it were not treated by air cleaning equipment.

We had a air cleaner in our sonar transmitting space. I did not know it, but the guys in my division would sneak into that area and smoke pot. With that air cleaner on, all odor was gone.


30 posted on 04/05/2010 10:54:03 PM PDT by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
My wife and I go to Vegas every once in a while. Cigarette smoking in the hotels and casinos is allowed, and very noticeable. The smell of stale cigarette smoke seems to be everywhere, including our hair and clothes after a while - just plain nauseating. I can only imagine how bad it must be in a submarine.

I roll right past Las Vegas for that very reason. I have no interest in gambling, so why voluntarily enter the smelly premises?

The only time I've spent on a sub was for the purpose of repairing a Motorola SatNav on a research boat. It was a diesel boat. The smell of diesel was in my hair and clothes following the visit. I did get an invite for lunch. The quality of the food certainly matches the claims. Very good! I got a quick tour as well. The stainless steel peanut butter pump was installed to move the sewage around. Cooling was provided by using Peltier devices bonded with the hot side against the hull. An air plenum was routed over the cold side. The guy conducting the tour said that freon coolants aren't permitted on subs because the freon turns into phosgene gas (neurotoxin) in a fire.

On the way back to the shop, my radiator hose blew. It was a memorable morning.

31 posted on 04/05/2010 11:10:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: sonofstrangelove

E-cigarettes will solve this problem.


32 posted on 04/05/2010 11:13:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
"That atmosphere moves around the submarine. You don't smell it but the damaging things from the smoke are still present," Roughead was quoted as saying by the Navy Times.

Oh, for crying out freakin' loud.

33 posted on 04/05/2010 11:16:04 PM PDT by Allegra
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To: sonofstrangelove

More nanny-statism. I never thought I’d see it in the armed forces, though. Sad.


34 posted on 04/05/2010 11:38:05 PM PDT by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: Zauber

If someone’s in the armed forces and can’t handle a little second hand smoke, they need to get the hell OUT. We don’t need pu**y’s fighting for us.


35 posted on 04/05/2010 11:52:54 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: DemforBush

Because it is legal and Sailors want to do it. As long as they are away from flammables, it was allowed. Of course, it is past time for complainers to create enough adversity to cause change. Such is the life of smokers. 20% of the population bears the brunt of the smoker guardians.

Yes, most have even begun to believe the idiocy of the anti smoker groups - ie second hand smoke, geez. If all of their stupidity was actually true, the dead would litter the bars and restaurants that allowed smoking. Even if you considered smoking causing a loss of life years, you should be promoting it to decrease the requirements of Social Security. Think of the benefits of all those that die so early! Just where are your ideals anyway?


36 posted on 04/05/2010 11:53:04 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Moose Burger

What a joke! Second hand smoke - do you really believe all that crap?


37 posted on 04/05/2010 11:54:10 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, they’re sticking women on subs now, can anyone guess what these sailor’s new hobby will be???


38 posted on 04/05/2010 11:55:10 PM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: rbosque

Won’t be smoking - at least not until after...


39 posted on 04/06/2010 12:04:46 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

LOL!


40 posted on 04/06/2010 12:12:09 AM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: Deagle

Um, no sir, I don’t, i just chuckle at it.


41 posted on 04/06/2010 12:43:10 AM PDT by Moose Burger
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To: Moose Burger

Heh... glad that you can get a laugh out of it. Unfortunately, to smokers it has been a nightmare, but what the hey, they are in the minority, so no harm, no foul...


42 posted on 04/06/2010 12:45:21 AM PDT by Deagle
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To: familyop

“Tie ‘em to the carttail,”

Now WTF does that mean?


43 posted on 04/06/2010 1:17:37 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Always do a little more than is expected, and someday .....it will be expected.)
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To: Old Seadog

It’s what Protestant (Puritan, Huguenot, and the like) colonists did with morally loose and wandering Quaker women, when they got into trouble outside of their own communities. They tied them to the “carttail” (back of a wagon), whipped them, and sent them out of town. Those colonies were rather rough on crimes against families. For another example, they executed sodomites by hanging.


44 posted on 04/06/2010 1:42:57 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: Cobra64

LOL That was exactly my first thought. All the old movies with the guys lighting up.And I always think when I see it that this was back when it wasnt evil to show smoking on screen.


45 posted on 04/06/2010 1:44:12 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Old Seadog

Little history there, and I was half joking. There’s actually one contemporary Quaker sect that is more morally conservative than the original if not more so than many other American religious groups.

Oddly enough, many Americans confuse most Quakers (the libertine kind) for Amish or Mormon folks. [Must be the old fashioned hat on the oatmeal box.]


46 posted on 04/06/2010 1:47:13 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96)
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To: myknowledge

The clothes dryer is the greatest risk of fire on a submarine. Cigarettes are a good indicator that the oxygen level is OK.


47 posted on 04/06/2010 2:43:48 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

They can go outside when they smoke, like everyone else.


48 posted on 04/06/2010 2:47:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: sonofstrangelove

In other news: Hussein bans submarines as unfair.


49 posted on 04/06/2010 2:55:53 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: Loud Mime

“Gays yes, smokes no?”

Gays yes, broads yes, afterglow smokes no.


50 posted on 04/06/2010 3:23:11 AM PDT by Average Al
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