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Posted on 04/06/2010 5:05:39 AM PDT by Righting
Obama, Tell the Truth About the Armenian Genocide Monday, 08 Mar 2010 11:59 AM By: Pamela Geller
Another stunning rebuke to Barack Obama: Armenian-American groups have for decades sought congressional recognition as genocide of the murder of just under 2 million Armenian Christians by the Islamic Ottoman Empire. [...]
Above all, we must not forget that the Nazis were inspired by the Armenian genocide.
The Turks used primitive gas chambers and developed other murderous templates that were later adopted by the Nazis.
Hitler was inspired by the mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who was an officer of the Ottoman Empire who participated in the Armenian genocide, and who during World War II met with Hitler and frequently with high Nazi officials.
During the Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Adolf Eichmanns assistant, Dieter Wisliczeny, testified that mufti was a central figure in the planning of the genocide of the Jews: The Grand Mufti has repeatedly suggested to the Nazi authorities -- including Hitler, von Ribbentrop and Himmler -- the extermination of European Jewry...
"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmanns best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures."
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1.5 Million Armenian Christians massacred
Armenian Genocide - Armeniapedia.org Many Armenian Genocide Monuments have been built around the world since, as well as smaller plaques and dedications. The Turkish government has in the past ...
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php ? title=Armenian_Genocide
Armenian National Institute: the 1915 Armenian Genocide Affirmation of the 1915 Armenian Genocide committed by Ottoman Turkey, featuring photos, documents, maps, chronology, resolutions, bibliographies and ...
Why is the Armenian Genocide commemorated on April 24?
On the night of April 24, 1915, the Turkish government placed under arrest over 200 Armenian community leaders in Constantinople. Hundreds more were apprehended soon after. They were all sent to prison in the interior of Anatolia, where most were summarily executed. The Young Turk regime had long been planning the Armenian Genocide and reports of atrocities being committed against the Armenians in the eastern war zones had been filtering in during the first months of 1915. The Ministry of War had already acted on the government's plan by disarming the Armenian recruits in the Ottoman Army, reducing them to labor battalions and working them under conditions equaling slavery. The incapacitation and methodic reduction of the Armenian male population, as well as the summary arrest and execution of the Armenian leadership marked the earliest stages of the Armenian Genocide. These acts were committed under the cover of a news blackout on account of the war and the government proceeded to implement its plans to liquidate the Armenian population with secrecy. Therefore, the Young Turks regime's true intentions went undetected until the arrests of April 24. As the persons seized that night included the most prominent public figures of the Armenian community in the capital city of the Ottoman Empire, everyone was alerted about the dimensions of the policies being entertained and implemented by the Turkish government. Their death presaged the murder of an ancient civilization. April 24 is, therefore, commemorated as the date of the unfolding of the Armenian Genocide.
...Dadrian has always been unafraid to identify the uniquely Islamic institution of jihad as a critical etiologic factor in the Armenian genocide. Indeed, the most revealing interlude of that April 2nd evening, for me, was his blunt recapitulation of a massacre as depicted in Reverend K. Balakian's eyewitness narrative Hai Koghota (The Armenian Golgotha)the major literary work affecting Dadrian's decision to study the genocide. In a 2003 essay collection, Dadrian recounted the harrowing details of this particular slaughter, its Islamic religious motifs unexpurgated. Six thousand four hundred Armenian children, young girls, and women from Yozgad, were decamped by their Turkish captors at a promontory some distance from the city...
...of 282 Christian churches transformed into mosques; of 21 Protestant preachers and 170 Gregorian (Armenian) priests who were, after enduring unspeakable tortures, murdered on their refusal to accept Islam.
The Armenian genocide: news accounts from the American press, 1915-1922 By Richard Diran Kloian, page 19
Attack them from every side. Whenever you meet them, kill them. Quicken the failing proclamation of the Unity by the fire of your rifles and cannon, and by the blows of your swords and knives. cause the minarets and mountains and wildernesses to resound once more with the cry. "Allah! Allah!" Jihad! Jihad! Oh, Moslems, blow the trumpet everywhere, of people of the Unity. The great God is ordering you to fight with your foes everywhere.
A "Jihad" Appeal to Moslems -mr191507b, JULY 1915 "Kill them: God will punish them in your hand and put them to shame; and ye will overcome them. He will rejoice the hearts of believers, and take away the wrath from the hearts unbelievers." (Text of the Koran.) ...Jihad! Jihad! Oh, Moslems...
British Reports on Ethnic Cleansing in Anatolia, 1919-1922: The ArmenianGreek Section
"Dr. Tavitian reported that the same state existed everywhere, at Everek (Caesarea) boycottage of Christians was being carried on, and the Mufti was preaching in the Mosque ordering his people not to sell to Christian. From Sivas and Samsoun many reports of outrages, cruelty and brigandage had been received, thus confirming the reports of Relief Officer in those districts."
Three Arrested in Turkey for Murder of Outspoken ...Three Arrested in Turkey for Murder of Outspoken Journalist Hrant Dink, ... Dink was one of the most prominent voices of Turkey's Armenian community, ...Much of Turkey's once-sizeable Armenian population was killed or driven out of the country from 1915-1923 in what an increasing number of countries are recognizing as the first genocide of the 20th century.
Report: Teen admits killing Turkish journalist - CNN.com Dink -- a prominent Turkish journalist of Armenian heritage -- was shot dead in front ... "The bullets aimed at Hrant Dink were shot into all of us," ....
(The Mufti that led the massacre of 1929 on the Jews, prior to that, he was also in the Turkish army at the time it carried out the Armenian Genocide, where 1.5 Million Christians were brutally murdered).
Amin Al-Husseini. Born in Jerusalem under Ottoman rule
Husseini's First Taste of Jihad
Allegiance to Ottoman Empire .
Amin Al Husseini: Ottoman Empire Officer. Amin Al-Husseini swears allegiance to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian genocide .
He is an officer stationed in Smyrna and participates first-hand in the Armenian genocide. One and a half million Christians are slaughtered under the sword of Islamic Jihad by the Ottoman Army. Allegiance to Ottoman Empire and Islamic world take-over will be echoed by Osama Bin Laden in his post-September 11th declaration
The Father of Islamists, Amin Al Husseini, the man who officialized Islamic hate, declared Holy War on the West and the Jews. Before Amin Al Husseini, there was no hatred between the Jews and the Arabs. Before Al Husseini, there was no Pan-Islamic Jihad against the West and non-Muslims. Bin Ladin and many other terror chiefs are believers in Al Husseini and have dedicated their life to his ideology.
Amin Al-Husseini, was born in Jerusalem under Ottoman rule. Al-Husseini swears allegiance to the Ottoman Empire during the Armenian genocide. He was an officer stationed in Smyrna and participates first-hand in the Armenian genocide. One and a half million Christians are slaughtered under the sword of Islamic Jihad by the Ottoman Army. Allegiance to Ottoman Empire and Islamic world take-over will be echoed by Osama Bin Laden in his post-September 11th declaration.
1917 Amin Al-Husseini returns to Palestine. He brings with him lessons of genocide and the vision of leading a Pan-Islamic empire, where Jews and Christians are not acceptable. 1920/1921 Amin Al-Husseini becomes lead figure in organizing riots against locals. Al-Husseini begins life-long campaign of inciting hate between Jews and Muslims under British Mandate of Palestine. He begins rule of terror over local Muslim leaders, who denounce him as an ignorant thug.
Anguished hope: Holocaust scholars confront the Palestinian-Israeli conflict By Leonard Grob, John K. Roth - 2008 - Page 117
It was perhaps a tragedy for Palestinians and for Jews that the Husseini clan gained hegemony and influence over more moderate Nashashibis and other effendi (highly educated) families. Haj Amin Husseini, given sole religious and secular auhtority and vast unsupervised funds by the British in the early 1920s, held an ideological hatred of Jews and formented mass violence against them from 1920, culminating in thee Great Revolt of 1936-39, deadly terror against his Palestinian opponents, and affirmation of Nazi genocide of Jews...
But I suggest that a key additional factor in the grand mufti's experience may well have been the Armenian genocide . While training in the Ottoman Military Academy in Constantinople from late 1914 to mid-1915, Haj Amin must have been aware of the deportations and mass murders of Christian Armenians both in Constantinople and within the army itself...
He is a man who desires the destruction of Israel, for goodness sake. Justice for Armenians is not on his plate.
Heck, a lot of folks here will agree that he may even desire the destruction of the United States.
His policies are certainly destructive.
I pray every day that God would remove the evil that afflicts our country. I hope He does it in a way that demonstrates His displeasure with Obama.
Earlier the Brits had devised "concentration camps" where they placed Boor women, children and elderly people ~ I gather the idea was to hold them hostage until the men gave up.
What happened is just this side of Hades ~ as had happened earlier when the Brits put the Acadian settlers on board prison barges tens of thousands of innocent people died in the camps ~ of disease, of mistreatment, of whatever it is that happens to people kept in miserable conditions with bad food and no modern medicine or toilet facilities.
The Brits invented and practiced genocide against Acadians and Boors long before the Nazis started doing the same.
The Ottomans did something equally evil ~ they "transported" millions of men, women and children on foot through desolate countryside over inadequate roads and paths without food, water, normal civilized comforts and so forth.
When that happens people die in great numbers and all military commanders know it.
In brief, to bring you all up to date on the "Theory and Practice of Hell" you can kill vast numbers of innocent people by taking them out of their homes and setting them in miserable camps. You can kill vast numbers of innocent people by putting them on the road on foot for hundreds of miles.
There are other methods. Those two are apparently the least costly.
Some of my Scottish ancestors were put on board prison barges, transported to America, and dumped into Smugglers Creek just off the Potomac River ~ they were naked and still in chains at the end of the trip. Most of their fellows had died on the way.
That was circa 1702.
The Brits breought a lot of evil and suffering into the world.
At the same time, they gave us our political system.
But the Armenian genocide - which ALSO included attackes on Greeks and Chaldean and Assyrian Christians was despicable and the Turks, if they were honest, would disavow the actions of the pre-Atturk Muslims - but, being Muslims, in their heart of hearts, approved.
It seems that only Germany has apologized for the actions of former governments in genocide, the Turks - and the Japanese - have yet to step up to the plate and do so - as well as the Russians for the Ukrainian genocide.
“Heck, a lot of folks here will agree that he may even desire the destruction of the United States.”
For those who don’t believe it my question is, what would he do differently if he DID?
It's like none of us will apologize for the crimes commited by Obama and his running dog lackeys.
Sholzenytsen argued that the Russian people were the first captives taken by the Communists for example.
The Turks were just one of a number of different ethnic groups who were part of the Ottoman Empire. Yet, you don't see the Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Israelis, Greeks, Serbians, Croatians, Montenegrans, Albanians, Egyptians, Tunisians, Algerians, Moroccans and Spaniards issuing apologies for crimes commited by the Islamic Caliphate, or "Ottoman Empire" as it later became known.
Maybe they should all apologize eh!
The Turks ran the Ottoman Empire.
They were Muslims.
They tried to exterminate the Armenians, as well as the Greeks, and Chaldean Christians and Assyrian Christians in Anatolia - nobody else. And they did it over religion and “ethnic cleansing” giving us the first “modern” holocaust. Ukrainains were next.
Those other people were oppressed by the Ottoman Turks, but no attempt was made to exterminate them.
There is no analogy between them and the Armenians/ Chaldean Christians/ Assyrian Christians and Greeks in Anatolia.
You became a "Turk" by learning the language, becoming a Moslem, and paying whatever taxes were due. That lead to an influx of Arabs, Berbers, Copts, Greeks, Slavs and Persians ~ over a very long period of time.
The original Celtic population occupying Anatolia at the time of the coming of the Seljuk Turks didn't get exterminated ~ they were assimilated. From that point on, as the Empire expanded into territory formerly ruled by Greeks, Arabs, Persians and Egyptians, you had a spread of the language, culture and ethnic affiliations.
Even Armenians turned into good little Turks over the centuries of nominally Turkish rule.
If we are to hold the present day population of the core Turkish speaking area solely responsible for the misdeeds of the ancient regime, we do a grave injustice to them. We must hold their close DNA relatives equally guilty and demand apologies from them ~ even from the Greeks!
Mentions the Grand Mufti — one of the never-prosecuted war criminals of WWII and actually some years before that.
That's your quote.
You become a Turk by becoming a Muslim.
So much for Turkey's phony vaunted claim of being a sectarian state.
Like all Islamic backwaters, citizenship and equality as a Human Being is denied to non-Muslims.
That is why the Ottomans tried to exterminate the Christian Muslims and Christian Assyrians, and Christian Greeks, etc.
Because they were Christians and not Muslims they were Non-Turks and Non-Persons.
And this is a pattern replicated in every area where the indigenous population was originally non-Islamic and Muslims intruded. The persecution of non-Muslims becomes so severe as the percentage of Muslims increases, that more and more non-Muslims are forced to become Muslims in order to be treated as human beings.
That happened to all the indigenous people of Turkey.
And that will happen in the west and in the U.S. if we continue to extend to this virulent political, social, and economic cult the protection we extend to other pure religions.
Before the Seljuks were "converted" you'd probably had have to have had become a pagan of some kind though.
You did know the Arabs were Moslems long before the Turks, and even Greek speaking Byzantine military units converted en mass to Islam (from both Mithrist and Christian traditions).
If you want to blame someone for why the Turks are what they are I'd point first to Byzantium.
I can only presume the earlier arrivals from Greece, etc. had been eaten for dinner by the fierce Celtic warriors who controlled the heartland.
Be interesting to do some DNA studies to see which Turks are what ~ right? Odds are good that the Celts are still in there.
“I was referring to the cultural requirements ~ not the legal requirements. “
In Islamic societies - and Turkey IS an Islamic society - culture, legalities, and religion are all enmeshed and not distinguished.
“Before the Seljuks were “converted” you’d probably had have to have had become a pagan of some kind though.”
Unlike most monotheistic religions, pagans are generally pretty tolerant of other beliefs and more than willing to incorporate other people’s God’s into their own pantheon or practises if they feel they have useful powers.
“You did know the Arabs were Moslems long before the Turks,”
“and even Greek speaking Byzantine military units converted en mass to Islam (from both Mithrist and Christian traditions).”
Perhaps, but under what circumstances? Losing their heads?
“If you want to blame someone for why the Turks are what they are I’d point first to Byzantium.”
Hardly. The Byzantines put up a truly heroic rear-guard action against Islam, blocking its expansion into Europe before the rape of Constantinople. If there is any blame to be assigned to Byzantium, it was thier intolerance of other Christian religious streams which differed from the Orthodox, and led some non-Orthodox Christian popualtions to intially welcome Islamic overlords. In time, they learned that their initial pleasure was misplaced.
Later on they were driven from India and returned to Yakutia, now part of Russia. By 560 AD they were invading Korea and Japan.
There is a large Turkish element in both Korean and Japanese languages.
The Seljuks were just another bunch of Turks from the steppes and plains of Western Asia, not much different than the Yakuts. At some point they managed to encounter the dominant population of Anatolia and became a serious threat to the Middle East.
They were then "converted to Islam" by Moslem missionaries. I do believe that tamed them down a bit.
In fact, as they moved West they managed to disrupt the tourist trade Egypt maintained for Moslem and Christian visitors to Jerusalem. One thing led to another and next thing you know the French sent in an army This period is called The Crusades (just a minor historical point). The important thing was the Seljuks arrived in the Middle East anyway and started screwing up stuff right off the bat and were not beyond stepping on Moslem toes.
The Byzantine Armies the earlier Arab Moslems had encountered (in the 700s) converted because the Arabs, crafty devils that they are, PAID them ~ something Byzantium had neglected to do for over a century!
Well, I agree with most of what you are saying.
Some central Asian Turks actually formed a large contingent of Genghis Khan’s armies and the armies of his successors.
The Celts did invade Anatolia and gave the name Galatia to the area where they settled.
But they also invaded Greece, Italy, and parts of Egypt. The Goths invaded Italy and Spain. But in all these instances, I don't think there was any massive impact on the native popualtion bases there from a genetic perspective.
I guess the point is HOW many were part of the invasion force, and what was the composition of that force.
If the invasion force was massive, you could expect a significant impact on the population. If it was mainly warrior raiding parties, perhaps not. If the invading force include families, again, the impact would be more significant.
When you look at genetic markers, parts of Anatolia are distinct from most parts of Europe - with the interesting exception of Tuscany. It has been postulate that the Etruscans may have come from ancient Anatolia.
Before the Celts arrived, there were large Greek and Persian populations in Anatolia, and before them a very large population base of Carians, Lydian, Lycians, Hittites, Luwians and other people like probably Assyrians in Eastern and Southern Anatolia. I think these groups contributed more significantly to the population base than the Celts.
As for the actual RACIAL impact of the Seljuk and Ottoman Turks, I think that would make an interesting Ph.D. thesis in population genetics.
The only place they failed to supplant a population was in the West. In fact, they were pretty much reduced to simply enslaving Basques and taking them to Ireland ~ just weren't enough Celts. Today the Irish and the Basques are virtually identical when it comes to DNA.
The Eastern marches were a whole 'nuther story though. There they were the dominant population wherever they lived.
Regarding population genetics I think the issue of the Seljuks must finally be analyzed at the DNA level. As they moved into Anatolia proper their leadership elite already had names that can be read as either Turkic or Celtic ~ which means any number of things. One might be that the original Seljuk core population was a lot more Celtic than had ever been imagined, or the Seljuk leadership elite was simply supplanted by a smaller, but more militarily capable Celtic group, much as happened in Spain more than a thousand years earlier.