Skip to comments.MUSLIMS GET TO OPT OUT OF OBAMACARE
Posted on 04/06/2010 10:51:20 AM PDT by lward99
CHRISTIANS AND JEWS NEED NOT APPLY FOR
THE MUSLIM EXEMPTION TO OBAMACARE
If you are a mainstream Christian or a Jew, you need not apply to Opt Out of ObamaCare; that exemption is reserved for Muslims, Scientologists, Amish, Christian Scientists and Native American Indians who have a “conscientious objection” to insurance. A conscientious objection to theft committed by rogue politicians under the color of law with the threat of violence for non-compliance isn’t sufficient in America today to exempt average Americans from the stranglehold of government.
Believe it or not, if you are a Muslim you may claim a special religious exemption to Obama-Care that is denied to main-stream Christians and Jews. Or if you prefer a New-Age religion to Islam, you may become a Scientologist and Opt Out of ObamaCare’s mandatory pur-chase of health insurance. Or, if you happen to be of Native American Indian extraction you too can opt out of the insurance laws by which everyone else in America must abide.
“There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is ‘haraam,’ or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.” Quote from Liberty & Pride Blog
What is next? Allowing Muslims to opt out of mandatory state automobile insurance laws? If you are a typical hardworking American who pays the freight for this healthcare Obamanation, you are required not only to pay the taxes to support free and subsidized healthcare for others, you also will be required to purchase health insurance or pay a fine if you don’t while certain favored religions and ethnic groups are allowed to escape the government’s maw. The U.S. Constitution supposedly grants ALL Americans equal protection of the law but under ObamaCare, some Americans are clearly more equal than others.
If you are a typical hardworking American who pays the freight for this healthcare Obamanation, you are required not only to pay the taxes to support free and subsidized healthcare for others, you also will be required to purchase health insurance or pay a fine if you don’t while certain favored religions and ethnic groups are allowed to escape the government’s maw. The U.S. Constitution supposedly grants ALL Americans equal protection of the law but under ObamaCare, some Americans are clearly more equal than others.
“In his halting, jumbled style, Baucus explained that in recent years ‘the maldistribution of income in America has gone up way too much, the wealthy are getting way, way too wealthy, and the middle income class is left behind.’ The new health care legislation, Baucus promised, ‘will have the effect of addressing that maldistribution of income in America.’”
Hand in hand with income redistribution and religious discrimination comes the iron fist of government and outright control of the people by bureaucrats, which Congressman John Dingell of Michigan admits will be the eventual consequence of ObamaCare. His only regret is that it will take so long to erect the mechanisms of control. Religious Discrimination, IRS oversight of religion, blatant theft euphemized as “an income shift,” and control of the people with the threat of violence disguised as “law enforcement,” these are the purposes and consequences of ObamaCare as admitted by the very legislators who voted to enact it into law. By our representatives’ own words, the U.S. Congress has come completely un-tethered from the U.S. Constitution and gone off the rails.
This law must not stand.
Religious Discrimination, IRS oversight of religion, blatant theft euphemized as “an income shift,” and control of the people with the threat of violence disguised as “law enforcement,” these are the purposes and consequences of ObamaCare as admitted by the very legislators who voted to enact it into law. By our representatives’ own words, the U.S. Congress has come completely un-tethered from the U.S. Constitution and gone off the rails.
That is why freedom-loving, tolerant Americans are so outraged at the President of the United States and the U.S. Congress for conniving to drive a wedge between Muslims and the other two great religions of Abraham. In the greatest power grab of all time, President Obama and the U.S. Congress have pitted American against American, Christian against Muslim, Torah against the Koran. It is unconscionable.
The lucky few that get to OPT OUT of ObamaCare are not forced to buy healthcare insurance they don’t want, unlike most Americans; and, to top it off, they don’t have to pay the taxes or penalties associated with health care reform.
So while most Americans (that includes You!) will be required to purchase health care coverage deemed appropriate by President Obama and the government or face heavy fines, the privileged few such as Muslims get to OPT OUT.
Where is your OPT OUT?
Sign The National ObamaCare Opt Out (NOOO!) Registry and demand to be permitted to opt out of Obama’s socialized health-care mandate. Demand that your representatives put God’s Eighth Commandment above George Orwell’s Seventh Commandment. Demand that Congress keep the government out of your health care decisions. DEMAND EQUAL TREATMENT. Demand to be EXCLUDED from any government-run or mandated health care program and exempt from any and all taxes, fees, and mandates imposed to pay for it.
Let’s Get this Straight:
Let’s Get this Straight:
Exempt from ObamaCare
*Congressional staffers who wrote ObamaCare, staffers working in a leadership office or for a Congressional committee all receive an exemption.
They can OPT OUT, why can’t you?
How can a religious exemption include certain religions and not others? Whatever happened to Equal Protection of the Laws guaranteed in the United States Constitution?
Demand an Individual Opt Out Today!
President Obama and Lawmakers put themselves above the law. Now, certain special individuals are allowed to opt out too? It is unthinkable that socialized health care is MANDATED to you and NOT EVERYONE! A healthcare mandate nonetheless, shoved down your throat despite cries and protests against it.
This Law Must Not Stand.
They can OPT OUT, why can’t you?
Lawrence A. Hunter, Ph.D.
Social Security Institute
15 Culpeper St.
Warrenton VA, 20187
P.S. Please forward this email to EVERYONE that cares about this country.
The Social Security Institute (SSI) is a national, 501(c)(4) non-profit, non-partisan seniors’ advocacy organization working to promote the retirement security of today’s seniors and the seniors of tomorrow. SSI’s top policy priorities are to stop the raid on the Social Security Trust Funds, prevent cuts to Social Security and Medicare benefits, and protect seniors from health care rationing and other limitations on their access to health care.
Why not an opt out on abortion grounds?
As if Obamacare wasn’t unconstitutional enough on its basic merits, creating different categories of exclusion for groups based on their religion should be its death knell (in a sane world). Challenges can’t get before the Supreme Court soon enough.
I wonder if those that are allowed to opt out will be denied medical care should they need it.
Interesting that this is one of the first time we have actually seen congress pass a “law respecting establishment of religion” and it would probably be ruled ok by the Courts but a nativity scene in a grade school lobby wouldn’t.
Hell, we are all moslems now!
Well I am a Roman Catholic and I have a conscientious objecton to abortion.
Add me to the list.
but then the US Constitution is no longer relevent it is merly a historical document
The new regime is now making and interpreting law from scratch
I AM SO READY FOR NOVEMBER AND BEYOND!!!!
I see many conversions on the horizon.
Hmmmm, if I don’t buy, I’m a criminal, right?
Scientology seems the easiest to fake...lol. It is whatever I think it is. L. Ron Hubbard.
the new Regime of Change will not aknowledge your “consciensctious objection” on the grounds that a woman has a right to choose
The premise is unconstitutional on it’s face and there is no wiggle room.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were no elections in November. JMHO
Oh my, you’re right about that!
They were entirely omitted.
Christians too. The bill allows members of Health Care Sharing Ministries to be exempt. There a several Christian health care sharing ministries.
But don't let that stop people from panicking and having knee jerk reactions.
“I AM SO READY FOR NOVEMBER AND BEYOND!!!!”
New bumpersticker? ;)
“If you are a mainstream Christian or a Jew, you need not apply to Opt Out of ObamaCare; that exemption is reserved for Muslims, Scientologists, Amish, Christian Scientists and Native American Indians who have a conscientious objection to insurance. “
Does this mean I can declare I’ve found Amishness and opt out? I can pack up and move to Amish Country in a heartbeat.
If they get a pass I want one too.
I understand that these organizations, are health sharing type plans that do allow CHRISTIANS to opt out. My family will find out what is going to happen to our health care in October, at the latest. We are seriously considering the following organizations. I have had Freepers comment on the first one as being the best of the three. I have no experience with any of them.
"Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."?
My question is this: how many of those who will be exempt for religious reasons make up the “35 million uninsured” we keep hearing about? Prsumably none of them have had insurance up to now, since they do not believe in it. So how many will continue to be uninsured due to religious reasons?
If you opt out, does that mean you don’t pay the penalty for not getting a health insurance policy, and then if you get sick you can instantly opt in and instantly receive benefits. Crazy stuff!
This should be the basis for overturning ObamaCare...as it is the government recognizing some religions over others....the Liberals “Seperation of Church and State”
Who knew? A loophole.
This is not true. Christian Scientists cannot opt out...our leadership has communicated this to all our members. Please correct this fallacy.
Of course, under shariah law they may then be sentenced to be beheaded or stoned to death or whatever.
Of course Zero would leave himself a way out.....
Perhaps something needs to be clarified here. In the case of “opting-out” of benefits, does this also remove your obligation to support the program with your taxes?
My suspicion is no, and if this is the case you may be cutting off your nose to spite your face. You might still have to come up with all the bucks to support everyone else, but you cut yourself out of the benefits. Sure, you’re maintaining your principles, but your also getting screwed on your taxes.
Just askin’ the question.
Oh yeah, since I’m 1/4 Indian, do I have the option based on my “ethnic extraction”? If so, it will be the first time in my life I ever found it make any difference one way or the other. I’ve told folks I’d swap it for a lift ticket, but so far no takers. :-)
I don’t know about the other groups, but the Amish already have an exemption in place for Social Security. You can read the story here: http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm
“Tucked into the 138 page bill was a clause exempting the Old Order Amish, and any other religious sect who conscientiously objected to insurance, from paying Social Security payments, providing that sect had been in existence since December 31, 1950.”
I would think there are constitutional grounds to challenge this law’s restriction to groups that have been in existence since 1950. It seems to be a law “respecting” certain religions over others if they make a distinction based on the age of the group.
I’m also curious if there is a similar exemption in the health care bill for ministers. Ministers can opt out of Social security on an individual exemption on wages paid by a church.
Native Americans have their own healthcare plan ... http://www.ihs.gov. They do not have to opt out of anything.
I totally agree mware. Catholics should be exempt. Through taxes, the Government forces us to contribute to the practice of abortion.
“I have been to all 57 states. One more to go.”
I don’t think they’re actually against abortion, they just do it differently...I think they call them “honour killings”.
“Muslims believe that health insurance is haraam, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. “
So what do they do about automobile insurance which is a requirement in many if not all places in the US?
are they actually allowed to ask what the religious objection is? In my state of Maryland, there are religious objection forms you can sign to opt out of routine vaccinations etc. but they cannot ask you information as to “which” religion you belong to, as that is private.
I’m thinking it would be very much the same on the federal level?
This can’t be legal.
more importantly, it is not lawful. lawful is real. legal is fiction. look them up.
You were right. I never doubted you, FRiend.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010Claim: Scientologists, Amish, Christian Scientists, and Muslims will be exempt from requirements to obtain health insurance
Today I received an email from a family member asking if it is true that certain people of faith will not be required to comply with the healthcare mandate. Since this was the first time I’d heard this rumor, I went to Snopes.com to see what they had to say. So far, they claim that the answer to this question is “undetermined”. That’s not very comforting! Read on.
This is the email forwarded to me. I have attached links for further clarification.
Had never heard the word until now-—Type it into Google and start reading Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within!
Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.
The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States. Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, Ann B......, a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.
Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. Lots of people will say “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?”
According to Snopes.com, the recent healthcare legislation signed into law “does not include language which specifically exempts members of any particular religion from health insurance requirements. It includes a general “religious conscience” provision which may exempt some Americans from health insurance requirements if they are members of religions which have established objections to certain forms of insurance.” See Internal Revenue Code Definitions
See Religious Conscience Exemption, section 1311(d)(4)(H).
(H) subject to section 1411, grant a certification attesting that, for purposes of the individual responsibility penalty under section 5000A of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, an individual is exempt from the individual requirement or from the penalty imposed by such section because—
(i) there is no affordable qualified health plan available through the Exchange, or the individual’s employer, covering the individual; or
(ii) the individual meets the requirements for any other such exemption from the individual responsibility requirement or penalty.
Snopes further states:
Whether Muslims would qualify for an exemption from the health insurance requirements is a tougher call. Although Islam does have a tradition of barring conventional insurance products because they “involve an element of uncertainty, gambling and the charging of interest, which are prohibited by the Koran,” it does not have a tradition of spurning Social Security [like the Amish], which is viewed more as a form of caring for those who are unable to meet their own needs than as something which involves elements of uncertainty, gambling, and interest payments.
If the courts do not find the health care mandate to be unconstitutional, and if large numbers of people in religious groups are indeed exempt from the mandate and fines, America will experience a ferocious rift between its peoples. Obama will always be remembered as The Divider in Chief.
I think the Muslims may avoid Obamacare, but also have to opt out of SS.
But IMO I bet they get to opt out of Obamacare and yet find a way to suck onto the SS and medicare (Just watch).
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