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Report: Obama's heavy limo will not get a hybrid drivetrain
Autobloggreen ^ | April 6, 2010 | Sebastian Blanco

Posted on 04/07/2010 11:42:01 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

President Obama's limo is a basically a diesel-powered tank. When he came into office, the new President asked if he could get one with a hybrid drivetrain for his Presidential Topkick Cadillac to go along with his push for greener vehicles across the board. During a recent stop at a North Carolina manufacturing facility that builds battery components for hybrid cars, Obama was asked about the status of his hybrid limo hopes, and admitted that this isn't going to happen.

The reason, the President said, was that the Secret Service rejected his idea "because the cars that I'm in are like tanks," adding "there's a little bit of extra stuff on there." That extra stuff (security stuff, mostly) means the Presidential limo is about two to three times heavier than the average car, according to CBS, and so would not be able to accelerate with a hybrid powerplant.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hybrid; limo; obama

1 posted on 04/07/2010 11:42:02 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

It’s an armoued Caddillac DTS.


2 posted on 04/07/2010 11:46:38 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The reason, the President said, was that the Secret Service rejected his idea "because the cars that I'm in are like tanks," adding "there's a little bit of extra stuff on there." That extra stuff (security stuff, mostly) means the Presidential limo is about two to three times heavier than the average car, according to CBS, and so would not be able to accelerate with a hybrid powerplant.

It sucks to be president, doesn't it? You cannot even get the car you want, just like the rest of us under the new mileage standards you announced.

If you were true to your principles, you would resign right now! (smile)

3 posted on 04/07/2010 11:46:40 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I noticed the open door on the Presidential Limo as Obama got out and I thought it looks like it is as tough as a bank vault door.


4 posted on 04/07/2010 11:46:40 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Well, DUH. A “hybrid powertrain” in the presidential limo. Let’s see, even if it was feasible from a security perspective, I’m sure it wouldn’t have cost more than a few hundred thousand or so to build out a custom drivetrain for that vehicle in order to save a few dollars in fuel. Good grief, the stupidity of these people knows no end.

MM


5 posted on 04/07/2010 11:47:39 AM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

And as they’re trapped inside
At a used car lot on the other side of town
A liberal guy and a liberal gal
Buy a Yugo....

And they drive with pride...


6 posted on 04/07/2010 11:47:49 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NOVEMBER-2-2010!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Obama needs a vehicle that better reflects his worldview—a sedan chair carried by six taxpayers.
7 posted on 04/07/2010 11:47:52 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Another example of how clueless this guy is.

I’m all for him in a Prius.


8 posted on 04/07/2010 11:48:40 AM PDT by mmanager (I'm not racist, I don't like the white half of him either.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
The new executive ride.

9 posted on 04/07/2010 11:49:12 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"there's a little bit of extra stuff on there"

we know!.....we know!!!!

Air shocks and overloads are maxxed out now!!!

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10 posted on 04/07/2010 11:49:33 AM PDT by digger48
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

0 to 60 in an hour twenty-five....


11 posted on 04/07/2010 11:51:57 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Do you think the SS White House detail members will get hybrid handguns and submachine guns?


12 posted on 04/07/2010 11:52:18 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: GonzoGOP
A stretch Trabant. Awesome.
13 posted on 04/07/2010 11:53:57 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Smogger

No, it just looks vaguely like a DTS. It’s a lot closer to a 3/4 ton Suburban diesel, with DTS front sheetmetal, and a custom body. It would be feasible to make the thing a hybrid, by taking a route similar to what Toyota did with the Prius, and what GM is doing with their light trucks, by adding one of those pancake electric motors in the transmission, but the only benefit would be slightly snappier acceleration, and with the added weight of the battery or capacitor bank needed to give that extra thrust, on top of the 5-7 tons of armor and whatnot, the tradeoff would be negligible with a lot of added drivetrain complexity. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the drivetrain in the presidential limo is actually de-electronicized to minimize points of failure.


14 posted on 04/07/2010 11:58:22 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: MississippiMan

But if he would inflate his tires, he could make up the whole world’s carbon deficit.


15 posted on 04/07/2010 11:58:27 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (If you could read my mind ... just count up the felonies!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is so stupid, the residential airplane burns a gazillion million gallons an hour and he worries his limo. Not to mention that the presidential limo is the wrong car to experiment on with new technology.


16 posted on 04/07/2010 11:58:55 AM PDT by mainsail that
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Lighten the load by making your horse michelle get out an walk.


17 posted on 04/07/2010 11:59:17 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The 0bama regime represents an "Clear and Present Danger" to the US - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Well, I won't really get into the type of car his 'status' merits as pResident, but I will say this: If Zer0 had the type of car that he really merits based on real experience, real work history, being a real documented person/citizen in general, and based on his real worth, he'd be driving a hoopty.
18 posted on 04/07/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: MississippiMan
Let’s see, even if it was feasible from a security perspective...

An EMP could easily render an electric/hybrid drivetrain immobile. No idea if the current drivetrain is vulnerable to such.
19 posted on 04/07/2010 12:00:18 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Smogger

Although there may be a question about his eligibility to be president of the U.S., he is the “boss” of GM so he should be able to get what he wants without too much trouble I would think.


20 posted on 04/07/2010 12:01:24 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

obama brought the world and the US together. should be no need for a big heavy armored car.

oh, but there are bad guys out there, though?

okay.

then obama should “disarm” his limo to convince them not to harm him.

he’ll get better gas mileage on his newly inflated tires.


21 posted on 04/07/2010 12:12:09 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: digger48

Now that’s funny right there...I don’t care who you are.


22 posted on 04/07/2010 12:25:42 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: glennaro

It would take a Nuclear power plant to generate enough electricity to get that thing from the Capitol to the White House.


23 posted on 04/07/2010 12:25:48 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Nor should it. Someday a reall President will need that car...


24 posted on 04/07/2010 12:26:24 PM PDT by MortMan (It's unconstitutional, it's wrong, and it's evil. But that's Obama in a nutshell.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Zerobama is a phony hypocrite. But what else is new?

If he truly gave a care about reducing energy, he would quit making so many worthless and useless trips in Air Force One.

_________________________________________

How much fuel does a 747 use on takeoff?

3000 gallons of it’s 48500 gallon capacity

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_fuel_does_a_747_use_on_takeoff

__________________________________________

April 22, 2009 5:09 PM
Obama Earth Day Flights Burned More Than 9,000 Gallons Of Fuel

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4962384-503544.html


25 posted on 04/07/2010 12:36:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

When I was with Ford we built a Lincoln Limo for Nixon in 72 and it was armour plated by Stikes & Eisenhardt in Cinc. And you’re right it is like a tank I think it could hit an IED and just roll over. What was amazing is that the SS had buttons on the exterior by the hood that could blow confetti our of the grill to keep the engine from overheating. Plus other stuff.


26 posted on 04/07/2010 12:38:37 PM PDT by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“Zerobama is a phony hypocrite.”

But! But! Obama IS a hybrid!


27 posted on 04/07/2010 12:47:56 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Use Cadillac Escalade hybrid drivetrain. (same as Tahoe/Silverado; but for people who want a Cadillac badge)

If GM can’t easily do this, I’m sure a smaller company can.

Mercedes is bringing hybrid to their big S Series line, and Toyota has had their big LS Series in hybrid, for years.

This is NOT technically difficult, or leading edge.

Maybe it is for GM, who after years of fanfare will introduce the Volt, the one car which is supposed to rescue them.

GM, once the industry leader, now the industry follower.


28 posted on 04/07/2010 12:56:34 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: bamahead
An EMP could easily render an electric/hybrid drivetrain immobile. No idea if the current drivetrain is vulnerable to such.

I fear an EMP hit from Iran is gonna render most of our country immobile, put us back to 19th-century technology in the blink of an eye. We'd lose millions, if not tens of millions, of people by the time we got our infrastructure operable again. It's a very real threat.

MM (in TX)

29 posted on 04/07/2010 1:29:15 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: MississippiMan

The effect of EMP on electronically controlled engines..which almost now are..is a problem. Not much real research has been done. I’m certain that EMP could be effective with a little work.


30 posted on 04/07/2010 1:46:53 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Rappini

That’s cool! Imagine the defensive goodies on the current presidential limo. The POTUS needs some horsepower to get away from danger. Not some hamster wheel hybrid POS.


31 posted on 04/07/2010 2:03:02 PM PDT by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Oldexpat
The effect of EMP on electronically controlled engines..which almost now are..is a problem. Not much real research has been done. I’m certain that EMP could be effective with a little work.

An EMP hit would permanently destroy virtually anything in its hit zone that contains microcircuitry. Today, that's virtually all technology. You'd have to find old cars that had rotors and points in order to have a running vehicle. Power grids are computer controlled. Water systems. Sanitation systems. All communications. Medical technology. And on and on and on.

Our society is SO reliant on technology, and that technology would be rendered useless junk in the blink of an eye. No power. No water. No transportation. No comms. We would lose millions or tens of millions of people.

WND has a summary article here, and a link to a 200-page commission report released a few years ago, so quite a bit of research has been done.

Park a container ship a hundred miles off the east coast and fire a missile that detonates a nuke 100 miles above Indianapolis, and you've just decimated the USA. And Iran has practiced launching missiles from container ships. This is IMHO the gravest threat we face, by far, and we sit doing nothing while they race toward having the capability to actually pull such an attack off.

Oh BTW, there's a good novel called ONE SECOND AFTER, based on us taking an EMP hit. I think it's well researched and credible in its portrayal of what a post-EMP USA would look like.

MM (in TX)

32 posted on 04/07/2010 2:17:48 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Little Pig

The base platform is in fact a Cadillac DTS. The Armored Cadillac DTS Limousine is built O’Gara, Hess, and Eisenhart, armored vehicle builders who have been building armored presidential limousines since the 1960s.


33 posted on 04/07/2010 2:39:52 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: truth_seeker

The Armored Cadillac DTS Limousine has 5 inches of ballistic armor on the skin. Enough to take a hit from a grenade launcher. It’s considerably heavier then an Escalade.


34 posted on 04/07/2010 2:42:30 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

From Wikipedia: “The vehicle is based on a GMC Topkick platform...”

“The current presidential limousine entered service on January 20, 2009. According to GM, the manufacturer, the “2009 Cadillac Presidential Limousine” is the first not to carry a specific model name.[1][2] The vehicle’s outward appearance is that of an enlarged Cadillac DTS limousine; however, the vehicle’s chassis and driveline are actually sourced from the GMC Topkick commercial truck.[2][3] Styling elements are sourced from a variety of GM vehicles; for example, the car uses Cadillac Escalade headlights, not DTS units.”

I don’t recall the exact dimensions, but I think the Limo is about 6-8” wider, further off the ground, and uses larger wheels. Further, it is rear-wheel drive. It could never have been based on the DTS platform, because the DTS is front-drive, and has no frame. It therefore would not have had the strength to handle all the armor needed.


35 posted on 04/07/2010 2:49:41 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

Ah a newer one. I was thinking of the one that entered service in 2005. I didn’t know there was a new model introduced.


36 posted on 04/07/2010 2:54:03 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

Again, from Wikipedia:

“The 2005 Cadillac DTS limousine is a hand-crafted, custom built, armored version of the stretch Cadillac DTS built on a GM four-wheel drive platform.[19]”

So even the previous version wasn’t really a DTS, just a lookalike. Again, the DTS platform is completely unsuitable as a true armored limousine, as it lacks a true body-on-frame design, and thus is incapable of supporting the weight of the armor and other upgrades.


37 posted on 04/07/2010 3:02:24 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Smogger

And more:

“The [2005] vehicle is one of a kind. It sports a tall roofline, an all-wheel drive set up based on that of the Cadillac Escalade...”


38 posted on 04/07/2010 3:05:27 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Smogger

Some details on the actual DTS:

“The original FWD K-body was shared with the downsized E-body Cadillac Eldorado beginning in 1980. In 1986 the Cadillac Seville was replaced with an even smaller front wheel drive model, also given the K designation. The Seville was lengthened in 1992, and the Deville was moved from the GM C platform to the K platform in 1994. The K platform was updated in 1997 with improved suspension geometry. The Seville was replaced with the rear-wheel drive Sigma-based Cadillac STS for 2005, but the Deville’s replacement, the DTS continues on the K-body.”


39 posted on 04/07/2010 3:08:33 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

Hmmm.. From this article: http://www.netcarshow.com/cadillac/2006-dts_limousine/

“The 2006 Cadillac Presidential Limousine is a hand-crafted and armored version of the Cadillac DTS (DeVille Touring Sedan) stretch sedan for the President of the United States.

The new Cadillac DTS was first utilized during the second inauguration of George W. Bush in the January 20, 2005 parade.

The vehicle was custom built by O’Gara, Hess, and Eisenhart, armored vehicle builders who have been building armored presidential limousines since the 1960s. The base platform is a Cadillac DTS, but little of the original vehicle remains. For example, DeVille’s flush-style door handles have been replaced by a loop-type design apparently borrowed from the 1992-99 generation Buick LeSabre, doubling as grab-handles for the Secret Service agents running alongside the car. Exterior examination suggests that the head/tail lights, and the wreath-and-crest emblem atop the grille are some of the few stock components.”

And

“his is the most heavily armored presidential vehicle to date. The jet-black skin has 5 inches worth of ballistic armor, and is said to be able to withstand anti-tank grenade launchers. The underside of the car is also armored. The windows, which do not open, are transparent armor thick enough to block sunlight, which is the reason the interior is illuminated with fluorescent lighting. The vault like doors require automatic systems to open. Any casual observer can see the rolling fortress with the white rims on the tires, completing the armoring with a run-flat tire system. The limousine is also environmentally sealed against chemical and biological attacks.”


40 posted on 04/07/2010 3:18:37 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Little Pig

I see Wikipedia mentions that the 2005-2006 versions is the “alternate” POTUS vehicle.


41 posted on 04/07/2010 3:20:32 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: Smogger

Note the second half of the second sentence in that third paragraph: “...but little of the original vehicle remains.”

The main body of the car is completely hand-built, and mounted on a modified Escalade frame and drivetrain. The hood and front fenders are either modified or re-created to match the larger body. All that’s really left from the DTS are a few trim pieces.


42 posted on 04/07/2010 3:22:24 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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