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California Democrat proposes mandatory gun registration
cbsnews.com ^ | April 7, 2010 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 04/07/2010 12:29:14 PM PDT by neverdem

A California Democrat is proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail, CBSNews.com has learned.

Assemblyman Mike Feuer, whose district includes Beverly Hill and West Hollywood, this week introduced legislation ordering law enforcement to "permanently keep" records of anyone who buys a gun from a dealer or an individual. California already stores information about handgun purchases.

Feuer is no friend of firearms owners: his previous legislative effort, which Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law, required all new handguns to include "microstamping" technology that can imprint serial numbers on spent ammunition casings. As a Los Angeles city councilman, Feuer proposed limiting city residents to one gun a month.

Feuer spokeswoman Arianna Smith declined to answer questions about the bill on Tuesday afternoon, saying the staff member involved was in a meeting and not immediately available.

The proposal comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is considering a landmark civil rights case, McDonald v. Chicago, which will decide whether Second Amendment rights in the federal constitution trump state anti-gun laws. But California is proposing mandatory registration -- and not a flat ban, as Washington, D.C. once tried and the justices rejected -- and even legal scholars specializing in this area disagree about whether registration is constitutional.

"Even though the constitutionality of such a measure is a close call, it is a horrible public policy choice," says Gene Hoffman, chairman of the CalGuns Foundation. "Just as Canada is about to do away with their long gun registry after squandering $1 billion, California wishes to attack law abiding gun owners for firearms not used in crime."

A CBC News article last month reported that the Canadian parliament is backing away from the nation's gun registry, which was enacted in 1989 and has now come under fire by critics who call it a billion-dollar boondoggle.

Feuer's bill isn't exactly a surprise: He told the Brady Campaign, an anti-gun advocacy group, earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms. "This legislation will close a glaring loophole and ensure that all firearm records, not just handgun records, are maintained for law enforcement purposes," Ellen Boneparth, spokesperson for the California Brady Campaign Chapters, said in a statement at the time.

Feuer appears to have adopted an unusual approach to introducing his mandatory registration bill. He took an existing piece of criminal legislation, AB 1810, that dealt with graffiti and vandalism, and replaced it with a completely new version with the same bill number.

A hearing is scheduled for April 13 in Sacramento before the California State Assembly's Committee on Public Safety.

At the moment, a minority of states including New York, Maryland, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts require mandatory registration for handguns. Others, like Pennsylvania, require sales of handguns to go through a dealer, who keeps records of the transaction.

No federal firearm registry exists, though some anti-gun types have pushed for one in the past. An unsuccessful 1995 bill, H.R. 169, would have imposed California-style registration of handguns nationwide through a "federal handgun registration system." Violations would have been punished by up to 12 years in prison. The author of the bill, Rep. Cardiss Collins, D-Illinois, told her colleagues(PDF) at the time that "I still believe the best way to control handguns is to ban them outright."


Declan McCullagh is a correspondent for CBS Interactive's CNET News and a contributor to CBSNews.com. You can e-mail him or follow him on Twitter as declanm. Declan previously was a reporter for Time and the Washington bureau chief for Wired.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bradywatch; democrats; donttreadonme; gunregistration; gunrights; liberalfascism; longgunregistration; shallnotbeinfringed; siegheil
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Canada set to repeal registration of hunting rifles, shotguns
1 posted on 04/07/2010 12:29:15 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 04/07/2010 12:33:01 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: neverdem
California's communists party setting up to protect their butts. And they will do it because there is no force to stop them. Revolution will not happen when the communists force is so powerful. California is done, so goes America. Sorry, but where is the armed rebellion?
3 posted on 04/07/2010 12:33:47 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: neverdem

Talk about a pointless exercise in futility.


4 posted on 04/07/2010 12:33:54 PM PDT by FreedomFerret
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; goldstategop; CAluvdubya; CyberAnt; Syncro; Citizen James; BurbankKarl; ...
BANG! The gun grabbers are getting antsy where the rats are strong.
5 posted on 04/07/2010 12:34:02 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail

Come get them.

6 posted on 04/07/2010 12:35:22 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Domandred

Life is so much easier when there’s no pesky Constitution, isn’t it?

Colonel, USAFR


7 posted on 04/07/2010 12:38:12 PM PDT by jagusafr (Don't make deals with pirates)
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To: Logical me
Sorry, but where is the armed rebellion?

A long time passed between the Intolerable Acts and Lexington and Concord. I'm willing to wait for the decision in McDonald v. Chicago. Then I want them to charge for registering an individual right. Remember the Poll Tax?

8 posted on 04/07/2010 12:42:01 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Did I miss a big crime spree where criminals ran around and held up banks with shotguns, or committed mass murder with a rifle?


9 posted on 04/07/2010 12:42:42 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: mrmeyer

10 posted on 04/07/2010 12:45:07 PM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Domandred
...proposing a new law requiring residents to register their shotguns and rifles or go to jail

Okay...let me see if I understand this.....the 2nd Amendment talks of the RIGHT to "bear arms".....the Health Care Bill now says we have a RIGHT to health care....so when will they make me REGISTER my BODY?

11 posted on 04/07/2010 12:45:39 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: neverdem
BTTT

From recent history:

Why I Will Not Obey California's Gun Registration Edict by Brian Puckett

NON COMPLIANCE: Why haven’t Californians registered all their assault weapons?



12 posted on 04/07/2010 12:46:05 PM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: mrmeyer

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
-Patrick Henry.

Leftists like Feuer know that armed Americans represent the greatest threat to the desired Marxist dictatorship. It’s both difficult and DANGEROUS to try to enslave the owners of 300 million weapons.


13 posted on 04/07/2010 12:49:09 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: neverdem
.....earlier this year that his forthcoming proposal would give law enforcement another tool to track down people in possession of illegal firearms.

Yes, I'm sure our glorious LE will concentrate on raiding ghettos, barrios, tenements and gang hideouts looking for illegal arms. Yes....I'm sure of it. We don't have anything to fear, do we? We obey the law, don't we? Don't hold your effing breath Goverment.

14 posted on 04/07/2010 12:52:12 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: Logical me
California's communists party setting up to protect their butts.

What makes you think Republican Governor Schwarzenseizer won't sign this bill into law like he has done before?

Republican governors in California have long been friends to the anti-gun crowd.

It seems to me that the communists come in two colors: red and blue.

15 posted on 04/07/2010 12:59:47 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Dan Nunn
Did I miss a big crime spree where criminals ran around and held up banks with shotguns, or committed mass murder with a rifle?

Well there was those two bank robbing dudes in SoCal a few years ago with approx. 1,600 rounds of 7.62x39mm rifle ammunition..and were using altered AK-47's..if I remember correctly.

The LEFT just hate guns...and will NEVER stop until they think they have taken them all out of the hands of American's.

16 posted on 04/07/2010 12:59:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Leftists like Feuer know that armed Americans represent the greatest threat to the desired Marxist dictatorship.

He can only propose the bill. It takes a governor to sign it into law.

Guess who will be signing this one into law?

17 posted on 04/07/2010 1:01:51 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Osage Orange
The LEFT just hate guns...and will NEVER stop until they think they have taken them all out of the hands of American's.

Seems to me that it was a conservative-supported governor who signed Feuer's last anti-gun bill into law.

Maybe conservatives should stop supporting LEFT-leaning candidates just so the GOP can win elections.

18 posted on 04/07/2010 1:04:07 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: neverdem
Yet another step towards the takeover of our Constitutional rights.

Only problem is....it costs $$$$ DUmmies! We have no money! Is there no end to stupidity in this state??? (yes, I know...it's rhetorical)

19 posted on 04/07/2010 1:04:08 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at a lectern-Palin 2010)
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To: absolootezer0
AMEN!


20 posted on 04/07/2010 1:06:41 PM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

“Maybe conservatives should stop supporting LEFT-leaning candidates just so the GOP can win elections. “

Amen.

True conservatism best for America
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2488434/posts


21 posted on 04/07/2010 1:09:05 PM PDT by AuntB (WE are NOT a nation of immigrants! We're a nation of Americans! http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/)
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To: neverdem
Sure!

...just as soon as you require licensing and registration for 1) Speaking, 2) Writing, 3) Publishing, 4) Hiring Attorneys, 5) Trial by Jury, 6) Refusing to Testify Against Yourself, 7) Requiring a Warrant to Search Your Home, and every other right guaranteed by the Constitution.

22 posted on 04/07/2010 1:09:22 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: neverdem
This bill will pass and be signed into law.

After all, California already passed a law registering bullets. How can any legislator be against registering the guns that fire them?

23 posted on 04/07/2010 1:09:29 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: neverdem

The state of California is collapsing around their ears, and yet they keep putting up these idiotic gun bills every single flipping year. Incredible.


24 posted on 04/07/2010 1:09:40 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

Nothing incredible about it.

Socialist start out as one strong event,they have been repeating the 60s ever since.

They are still the same screaming infants trying to get daddy and mommy to give them the attention they deserve and admit that some children stay children.

Changing their behavior,their ideas is impossible for them.It is the same statist wave over and over.Like the ocean,except a lot dumber.


25 posted on 04/07/2010 1:12:09 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Logical me; All

Sorry, I meant the Stamp Act, 1765.


26 posted on 04/07/2010 1:22:11 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...



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27 posted on 04/07/2010 1:22:18 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: goodnesswins

National ID/ National Healthcare ID - yup, they’ve already figured that out.


28 posted on 04/07/2010 1:24:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jagusafr; Brad's Gramma

“Life is so much easier when there’s no pesky Constitution, isn’t it?”

That DARNED Constitution........you try scrubbing it out, and soaking it out..... even reconciliation.....and you still come up with “ring around the Constitution”


29 posted on 04/07/2010 1:35:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Osage Orange
The LEFT just hate guns...and will NEVER stop until they think they have taken them all out of the hands of American's.

Actually I think the Left hates the independance and free-will that privately owned firearms symbolize. Also, I think that the self-serving, rapacious, greedy and corrupt modern American political class is getting a little nervous.

30 posted on 04/07/2010 1:39:30 PM PDT by VR-21 (If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries.)
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To: mrmeyer

I have seen this printed here for years. What does that mean?


31 posted on 04/07/2010 1:45:29 PM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: neverdem

I plan on leaving this state in 5 years. It’s gonna get ugly.


32 posted on 04/07/2010 1:49:43 PM PDT by rae4palin (RESIST--REPEAL--IMPEACH)
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To: painter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe


33 posted on 04/07/2010 1:58:33 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: goodnesswins

Do you have a Social Security number?


34 posted on 04/07/2010 1:59:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: Osage Orange
Well there was those two bank robbing dudes in SoCal a few years ago

It was actually 13 years ago. Good job for the legislator being so proactive! The mass casualties haven't stopped since! Not to mention the killers were using illegal (fully-auto, I'm sure they were post-ban) weapons that couldn't be registered anyway.

35 posted on 04/07/2010 2:05:00 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: TigersEye

YEP....however, it doesn’t register the make and model of my body...


36 posted on 04/07/2010 2:06:01 PM PDT by goodnesswins (The PLANTATION Party is at it again (the DEMS) ....trying to make slaves of everyone)
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To: goodnesswins

They probably assume your make is human and don’t care is the model if male or female. You’re signed up and with the new model of collective rights instead of individual rights you’re part of the machine.


37 posted on 04/07/2010 2:14:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Duncan Hunter, Jim DeMint, Michelle Bachman, ...)
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To: Dan Nunn
Yeah...it's nuts!

But that's never stopped them before...

38 posted on 04/07/2010 2:18:41 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: VR-21
Here's a true story....

I've a left of center family relative.....Probably voted for Obama.

I helped move some stuff for him....I had shot my pistol the evening before..and it was in the back of my SUV....He saw it back there...and you would have thought he'd seen a ghost!

39 posted on 04/07/2010 2:32:58 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: neverdem
Feuer appears to have adopted an unusual approach to introducing his mandatory registration bill. He took an existing piece of criminal legislation, AB 1810, that dealt with graffiti and vandalism, and replaced it with a completely new version with the same bill number.

Not so unusual, you MSM lackey. Harry Reid just did the same thing with the Obamacare bill, moron.

40 posted on 04/07/2010 2:35:19 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Osage Orange
The LEFT just hate guns...and will NEVER stop until they think they have taken them all out of the hands of American's.

Real AMERICANS just hate Leftists...and will NEVER stop until they have taken all of America out of the hands of Leftists.

41 posted on 04/07/2010 2:44:29 PM PDT by Gritty (As President Obama sees it, whatever the problem, the solution is more Washington - Mark Steyn)
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To: rae4palin
I plan on leaving this state in 5 years. It’s gonna get ugly.

"So Meier, what do you think of those Nazis, strutting around with their goose-stepping and "Heil Hitler" this and that?"

"I don't know, Saul, but they're making me nervous. I think I'm going to get out of here within five years -- I think I'll sell the shop by 1940. Things are going to get ugly"

42 posted on 04/07/2010 2:45:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Not so unusual, you MSM lackey. Harry Reid just did the same thing with the Obamacare bill, moron.

Declan McCullagh, the author, might write for CBS, but he's pro Second Amendment from the articles that I've seen from him, maybe half a dozen so far.

43 posted on 04/07/2010 2:47:33 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Declan McCullagh, the author, might write for CBS, but he's pro Second Amendment from the articles that I've seen from him, maybe half a dozen so far.

If that's so, then more power to him, but he made an idiotic statement, nonetheless. The very maneuver he described was key to our Congress gaming Obamacare through the legislative process and into law.

It's not unusual, it's damn near treason, and he should know that.

44 posted on 04/07/2010 2:53:27 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: neverdem
Assemblyman Mike Feuer I don't think they spelled his name properly, isn't he named Mike Fuhrer?

Another closeted anti-semite no doubt!

45 posted on 04/07/2010 2:58:27 PM PDT by STD (State Sponsored Terrorism, Obama's Mounted the Red Horse Now)
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To: neverdem

Good grief, can’t these retards get a bloody clue!


46 posted on 04/07/2010 3:08:12 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Need has never produced anything. It has only been an excuse to steal from those with ablity.")
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To: Gritty

Agreed!


47 posted on 04/07/2010 3:13:00 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Dan Nunn; Osage Orange

Those two dudes were criminals that the left thought they could rehabilitate. They let them out of jail just like all the others who repeat their crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout#Backgrounds

Then they want to take away rights from all law abiding citizens.

Molon Labe


48 posted on 04/07/2010 4:31:32 PM PDT by GreatMan
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To: GreatMan

Totally agree...............


49 posted on 04/07/2010 5:09:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Oldpuppymax

>Leftists like Feuer know that armed Americans represent the greatest threat to the desired Marxist dictatorship. It’s both difficult and DANGEROUS to try to enslave the owners of 300 million weapons.

I’ve heard that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was started with SIX guns. SIX.


50 posted on 04/07/2010 5:49:15 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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