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IRS Commissioner Canít Say How Many New Agents IRS Will Need to Enforce Obamacare
cns news ^ | 4/7/10 | Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

Posted on 04/07/2010 2:50:22 PM PDT by Nachum

(CNSNews.com) - Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Douglas Shulman said at the National Press Club on Monday that the IRS cannot say how many new agents it will need to enforce the new health care law signed by President Barack Obama last month.

The IRS will play a key role in the new national health care system created by the law because it will be responsible for monitoring whether people buy health insurance, as the law mandates, and for collecting a fine from those who fail to buy insurance.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agents; commissioner; irs; obamacare; regime; ss; taxes; taxgestapo
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Time to play "Tax Man" by the Beatles...
1 posted on 04/07/2010 2:50:22 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping


2 posted on 04/07/2010 2:50:43 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

An Army.


3 posted on 04/07/2010 2:51:32 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Figures.)
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To: Nachum

OK - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2XLIitX8o&feature=related


4 posted on 04/07/2010 2:52:04 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Nachum

Actually, this is where the Obama Youth comes in.


5 posted on 04/07/2010 2:52:06 PM PDT by Loud Mime (initialpoints.net - - The Constitution as the center of politics -- Download the graph)
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To: Nachum
The bad thing about this is, those IRS agents are more than likely going to be obamabots, and believe strongly in obamacare...and they will be more than ready to do anything for the messiah.

Most any self-respecting conservative wouldn't take that job, no matter how well it pays. I would find it very difficult to actually force people to comply with something that I don't believe in.

Of course, liberals have no such principles or scruples.
6 posted on 04/07/2010 2:53:54 PM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Nachum
Obama and the commish can


7 posted on 04/07/2010 2:56:29 PM PDT by diverteach (D.C. has become Jonestown)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

A civilian army as well funded and equipped as the military perhaps?


8 posted on 04/07/2010 3:01:18 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Nachum

Government will go broke before they can even start.


9 posted on 04/07/2010 3:03:06 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Nachum
"...the IRS cannot say how many new agents it will need to enforce the new health care law signed by President Barack Obama last month."

Well, there are 90 million gun owners in this country. If just one in ten refuses to go along with the utter abrogation of their constitutional rights, then you've got 9 million homes and businesses that will have guns pointing toward the street, and at the ready.

Think they can raise and equip an army of 9 million jack-booted thugs to take them on?

10 posted on 04/07/2010 3:04:44 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Nachum

Oh what will we do if the new house refuses to defund these creeps


11 posted on 04/07/2010 3:05:57 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (The light is about to go out, do your part)
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To: Nachum

Let’s see ..........

Obamski needs to find work for about 8 million now........

Or is it 16 million considering the underemployed?

Pretty soon we’re talking real numbers to the Socialists.


12 posted on 04/07/2010 3:15:37 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: Nachum

Let me guess ,,,,, 16,000 .


13 posted on 04/07/2010 3:43:08 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLEN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: Nachum

“IRS cannot say how many new agents it will need to enforce the new health care law signed by President Barack Obama last month.”

Our president hopes that there will be enough new IRS openings to provide employment for all the doctors that will be leaving their current positions.


14 posted on 04/07/2010 4:04:34 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Nachum

Correct answer: Millions.

Because with tens of millions refusing to cooperate in their enslavement, there will be lots of work.


15 posted on 04/07/2010 4:15:36 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (A MAJORITY (51%) OF TEA PARTIERS ARE DEMOCRATS OR INDEPENDENTS - GALLUP)
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To: OrioleFan
Obamski needs to find work for about 8 million now........

Or is it 16 million considering the underemployed?

And how many illegals in this country, 30 million?

I think I see a way to solve unemployment.

16 posted on 04/07/2010 4:27:32 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Nachum

Yep.


17 posted on 04/07/2010 4:41:26 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: FrankR
"The bad thing about this is, those IRS agents are more than likely going to be obamabots, and believe strongly in obamacare...and they will be more than ready to do anything for the messiah."

In other words, they will be the Gastapo, the Nazi SS, the KGB, the Mutawas (Muslim Morality Police, which the left already acts like)

18 posted on 04/07/2010 4:45:53 PM PDT by cake_crumb (President Reagan on ObieCare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs&feature=player_embedded#)
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To: surely_you_jest

“Be thankful I don’t take it all.”


19 posted on 04/07/2010 5:04:11 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Nachum
"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably."

-Barack Hussein Obama

20 posted on 04/07/2010 5:05:58 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Nachum

How many jobs are needed to reach 5% unemployment? Ten million?


21 posted on 04/07/2010 5:14:21 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

hope change screw


22 posted on 04/07/2010 5:25:19 PM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: Nachum

yes, well, once the Republicans get control of the Congress, funding for this IRS enforcement ought to be slashed to the bone. And then cut the bone, grind it to dust, and scatter it to the winds.

Hussein might think he is the Messiah, but he won’t be able to pull an Ezekiel 37....


23 posted on 04/07/2010 5:35:30 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Nachum

Make us all IRS Tax Agents. Then we will all have jobs to collect the money from ourselves, to pay the taxes, fines and fees that will pay ourselves. ;-)


24 posted on 04/07/2010 5:37:14 PM PDT by Dem Guard
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To: Nachum

In all fairness, how would he or anyone else know how many IRS agents will be needed to enforce a law that is still being read by Congress, the regulators, and the bureaucrats?


25 posted on 04/07/2010 5:50:28 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Nachum

I believe the healthcare bill says that the IRS has to check everyone’s insurance status...

every

single

month!


26 posted on 04/07/2010 5:52:13 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Talisker

AYUP!

How do folks like the idea of being evaluated for audits monthly instead of yearly?

And this is if everything goes RIGHT (i.e. as planned). What if there are snafus and you have proof of insurance but the IRS doesn’t like it?


27 posted on 04/07/2010 5:54:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Nachum
What is can't say, won't say, or has no clue?

I'll take Obamabots for $100 Alex.

28 posted on 04/07/2010 5:56:16 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: Nachum

it will be responsible for monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I will be responsible for avoiding their monitoring by voting for repeal, altering my identity ,or leaving the country, or all three simultaneously. You should be able to get the job done with about 100 thousand agents.


29 posted on 04/07/2010 5:57:05 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up aginst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: Nachum

The man is in charge of staffing one of the largest federal expansions in the history of the US and maybe in the history of any government and he “can’t say” how many additional staff he needs?

Not even a rough number?

Either he is a liar or he is incompetent.


30 posted on 04/07/2010 6:18:13 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Labyrinthos
In all fairness, how would he or anyone else know how many IRS agents will be needed to enforce a law that is still being read by Congress, the regulators, and the bureaucrats?

Estimating staffing is part of the job of any exec. This should have been something he would have looked at before the bill was done and he very likely should have been in on the process for determining a budget for the current law. He knows.

31 posted on 04/07/2010 6:21:34 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Nachum

They could employ the 47% who don’t pay any income taxes to watch over the 53& who pay all the taxes.


32 posted on 04/07/2010 6:23:43 PM PDT by reader25
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To: Nachum

And will they have shotguns to provide input to our health?


33 posted on 04/07/2010 6:25:29 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both hate freedom and have friends that bombed the Pentagon)
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To: Nachum
But it's not a tax, it's a mandatory supplement ordered by the Dictator in Chief.

But then why will they take it out of your tax return if it's not a tax!

34 posted on 04/07/2010 6:26:10 PM PDT by MaxMax (Conservatism isn't a party)
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To: Nachum; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP

I believe there were articles recently saying they would hire 16 thousand new agents.

Obviously they will need to buy even MORE guns.......


35 posted on 04/07/2010 6:56:23 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: potlatch

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Everyone is now changing a new W-2 form to mega-dependents

The IRS cannot seize or grab part of a “refund” - if you are not getting and money back

Why people do not stop giving Obama and Congress an interest-free loan every year eludes me!


36 posted on 04/07/2010 7:08:05 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve

[Everyone is now changing a new W-2 form to mega-dependents]

HUH?

Don’t think I’m ready to do illegal things yet.

One of his 16 thousand future agents might come for me. I’m not one of his protected ‘welfare’ people, lol.

YET, repeated...


37 posted on 04/07/2010 7:13:56 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: devolve; Nachum

Here is a source;

Thanks to the Democrats, the most hated agency in America, the IRS, just got 16,500 agents bigger.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/04/16_500_more_reasons_to_vote_re.html


38 posted on 04/07/2010 7:18:11 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: Nachum; All
and they will have better weapons

IRS Gets New Shotguns

39 posted on 04/07/2010 7:23:54 PM PDT by concretebob (Because someone has to say it!!!!!!!!!)
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To: potlatch

PING to #39


40 posted on 04/07/2010 7:24:42 PM PDT by concretebob (Because someone has to say it!!!!!!!!!)
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To: concretebob; devolve

[By concretebob | February 15, 2010]

Ahaa, yes I had read about it awhile back but couldn’t recall the exact number of shotguns.

Thanks for the ping bob


41 posted on 04/07/2010 7:29:57 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: potlatch

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It is not illegal

You have been paying in too much to the IRS if you are getting tax refunds each year!

It is legal to increase (adjust) the number of your deductions on a W-2 so the Treasury Department is not getting a free no-interest 12-month loan

A competent accountant will tell you that quickly

When you receive your 1040 or pick one up - you then list your dependents -


42 posted on 04/07/2010 7:34:20 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve

I thought it was illegal to lie about the number of dependents you have.


43 posted on 04/07/2010 7:41:28 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: potlatch

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It is not illegal to put more dependents than you actually have on a W-2 form

It is illegal to list more than you have on your IRS 1040 form

I know taxes and economics as well as political alleged-science


44 posted on 04/07/2010 7:58:40 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve
[I thought it was illegal to lie about the number of dependents you have.]

I've never once done a tax return so am not familiar with which form is which. Just knew it was illegal to declare more dependents than you have for tax purposes.

45 posted on 04/07/2010 8:05:58 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: devolve

I believe you’re referring to the W-4 form, not W-2.


46 posted on 04/07/2010 8:51:44 PM PDT by Tucker822
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To: potlatch

How many dependents you list on your W-4 is for the purposes of regulating how much federal taxes you want deducted from your paycheck - this is legal.

However, you are to list the ACTUAL number of dependents on your Form 1040 when you file your tax return.

Ask any accountant...they will tell you how this works and how it is legal to do so.


47 posted on 04/07/2010 8:54:34 PM PDT by Tucker822
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To: Tucker822; devolve

Thank you Tucker. devolve knew what he was talking about even though he might have put a 2 instead of a 4.

I’ve never filled one out myself.


48 posted on 04/07/2010 8:57:57 PM PDT by potlatch (~~"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off. "~~)
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To: Tucker822; potlatch

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That was so long ago that I believe someone on my large staff typed W-2 in error

I now have reviewed those comments and revise and extend that post as follows:

W-4


49 posted on 04/07/2010 8:58:45 PM PDT by devolve
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To: devolve; potlatch

No problemo.

I do the accounting for my company. Zero dependents listed on your W-4 will generate the max of income taxes being taken out of your paycheck, whereas 9 dependents (which is the legal maximum of dependents you can list)will generate no taxes being taken out. You can use numbers between 0 and 9 to determine what your tax liability would be.

As a personal reference, I only actually have 2 dependents, but list 4 on my W-4 so that I come out even. I don’t owe any taxes and the feds don’t owe me a refund either. That way the feds don’t get my money to use...interest free.

I hope that makes sense.


50 posted on 04/07/2010 9:15:18 PM PDT by Tucker822
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