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Romney Dogged by a Tale of Two Health Plans
WSJ ^ | 4/9/10 | PETER WALLSTEN

Posted on 04/08/2010 9:57:28 PM PDT by Kartographer

Mitt Romney, along with some other Republicans likely to run for president in 2012, is raising money this year for congressional candidates who want to repeal President Barack Obama's sweeping health-care law.

But as Mr. Romney tours to promote his new book, some people have been posing an uncomfortable question: If he opposes Mr. Obama's health-care policy, why did Mr. Romney shepherd a near-universal health-insurance system into law as governor of Massachusetts?

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
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OH MITT! YOU GOT SOME 'SPLANING" TO DO!
1 posted on 04/08/2010 9:57:28 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

That’s because Romney is a RINO!


2 posted on 04/08/2010 9:58:09 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Kartographer

Romney is the media’s Trojan Horse.


3 posted on 04/08/2010 10:00:50 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: Kartographer

That’s because Myth Romney always has his finger in the wind trying to find the proverbial sweet-spot of policy positions that will make him most attractive to a majority of voters.

There’s not a principled bone in that weasel’s body!


4 posted on 04/08/2010 10:02:59 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Kartographer

I don’t loathe Romney as so many seem to, but as a Massachusetts resident I can tell you, if he somehow becomes the nominee, the MSM will rip him apart—the state is in a fiscal meltdown due to Romneycare.


5 posted on 04/08/2010 10:17:10 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, mocker of those who haven't a clue)
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To: Darkwolf377

And just imagine what it will be 2 years from now.

I still remember him telling Fred Thompson in one of the debates that he likes mandates. I don’t see how the party will have any credibility if it nominates Romney. All the protest and oppsotion to Obamacare will mean nothing. At least someone like Thune, Barbour, Pawlenty, Huckabee, etc... doesn’t have a statist health care law on their record. How do we run against Obama when our guy passed the same thing?

It’d be like the dems nominating a guy who designed the Iraq War.

Aside from the health care issue, Romney DQed himself for me when he said last year that terrorism has nothing to do with Islam and they’re completely separate things. No one who thinks that belongs anywhere near the WH.


6 posted on 04/08/2010 10:22:36 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Darkwolf377
I don’t loathe Romney as so many seem to, but as a Massachusetts resident I can tell you, if he somehow becomes the nominee, the MSM will rip him apart—the state is in a fiscal meltdown due to Romneycare.

Exactly right.  I don't loathe him either.  He's a liability, both due to his Mormonism and Romneycare.

His Mormonism doesn't bother me as much as his Romneycare does.

7 posted on 04/08/2010 10:28:07 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: jeltz25
How do we run against Obama when our guy passed the same thing?

It's also why I feel Palin's backing of McCain is a very bad thing--it sends mixed messages. Someone who's strongly identified with the Tea Party movement is backing McCain?

I respect both McCain and Palin, but I don't think Palin "owed" McCain--if anything, he owes her--and her support of him comes across as her being part of the "good ol' boys" network, gender notwithstanding.

Meanwhile, Romney, whose attitudes about terrorism and healthcare are in perfect synch with the guy whose positions have us so outraged, may very well pull a McCain and, with his financial backing and glossy image, draw enough unenrolleds to get the nomination.

Depressing.

8 posted on 04/08/2010 10:31:37 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, mocker of those who haven't a clue)
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To: jeltz25

Thune isn’t interested in a presidential run. He’s running for re-election in the Senate, and Pawlenty is dopey enough to jump on the Green Economy (Marxism for job equality) bandwagon that turns off so many on the right. Pawlenty is as big a RINO as Romney is. Huck-a-phony is a liability because he raised taxes in Arkansas and pardoned a cop killer several years ago that killed 4 cops a few months ago in Washington state. He hasn’t fully explained himself on that, beyond blaming everyone else for bringing it up.


9 posted on 04/08/2010 10:32:45 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: BigSkyFreeper
His Mormonism doesn't bother me as much as his Romneycare does.

It will dog him until the day he withdraws or loses--how can he get conservative support if he's in lockstep with Obama on the lightningrod issue of the election?

10 posted on 04/08/2010 10:33:15 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, mocker of those who haven't a clue)
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To: Kartographer
Beck mentions Romney's name, and the board goes berserk.

Actually, I don't want him to do a lot of 'splannin'...I'm tired of politicians who have to give crafty explanations for what they mean.

The game is, reporters and interviewers walk the floors all night trying to think of just the right way to ask a slippery politician a question to trick him/her into telling the truth.

The politician stays up all night trying to figure out a way to wordsmith it so he doesn't have to tell the truth.

I don't want Mitt's "health plan" any more than I want "obamacare"; in fact, I thought the medical profession was getting along just fine in this country until the "ayatolla assahola" decided it needed "tweaking" to redistibute a little money around to his "people" who were uninsured.

Yes, the old insurance system needed a patch here and there to make it more affordable, but the GOP congresscritters introduced those, and they were immediately tossed out. That was proof positive that obamacare is NOT about health care or affordable insurance, it's about redistribution.

I'm just tired of hearing it talked about, and now comes Romney, the also ran from the last election trying to sell us on HIS healthcare plan.

Why isn't someone trying to sell us on lower taxes, jobs, future security, smaller government, reduced deficit, and the other things on the front burner...but they keep going back to obamacare, still in refrigerator because NO ONE except the moocher class has warmed up to it.

In fact, as of today, Romney has reached critical mass and is on par with obama...I see either of their faces on the TV, and *click* change stations or turn it off.

Both of them are bull$h!+ artists and I don't care to listen to it.

It is depressing that the entire future of this country rests on "healthcare"...a problem that would be so easy to fix for people of common sense and principles.
11 posted on 04/08/2010 10:35:37 PM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: Darkwolf377

He will also turn off Social Conservatives once the media brings up the fact he signed same sex marriage into law. He could have vetoed it, but he didn’t. There’s all these other issues that will dog him right along with Romneycare.


12 posted on 04/08/2010 10:36:30 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: Darkwolf377
It's also why I feel Palin's backing of McCain is a very bad thing--it sends mixed messages.

If the vice presidential candidate for John McCain and the the biggest GOP superstar since Reagan had not supported McCain for reelection for his Senate seat, then it would have meant the destruction of her image, and of the GOP image and it would have been the non stop political story of 2009 and 2010, the division between the ticket of the previous year would have made the Republicans appear broken and shattered and would even have led to a widespread reevaluation of the importance of a Democrat victory in 2008, because it would make the GOP ticket look like it had been a sham, it would have damaged and have prevented this incredible change in public opinion towards the entire republican brand that Palin has helped reshape during the last 17 months.

Palin would have looked cheap and shallow to the general public for turning on the man that 59,000,000 of them voted for, she would easily be painted as a radical and unstable person and a bitter, small timer to the general public. There is a lot more going on with the national image of the republican/conservative movement here than what we McCain haters see in the Arizona Senate race, the general public does not share all of our perceptions and in depth view of the race between McCain and Hayworth. They would see the Presidential and the vice Presidential candidates of the Republican party at each others throats, clearly signaling that Obama and the Democrats represented stability and calm.

Palin’s image would have never survived, and the entire national, conservative movement would be weaker in reality and in the public’s eye.

13 posted on 04/08/2010 10:38:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Why are the non "social conservative" Republicans so unconservative?)
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To: Kartographer

Because Romney is a Big Government statist! Liberty be damned!


14 posted on 04/08/2010 10:41:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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Romney is a RINO and a mormon. He will progress no further than a few pancake and fudge rallies if he runs. He’s a suede-shoe phony that needs to sit on the sidelines.


15 posted on 04/08/2010 10:47:58 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: jeltz25

I know huh.
In the last election we ran a liberal white guy against a very liberal black guy. Of course the black guy wins. Its like an ace up the sleeve, only we seen the ace and never stopped the hand.
If the republicans do not run a conservative then they will certainly be done for.


16 posted on 04/08/2010 10:49:45 PM PDT by pennyfarmer (Your Socialist Beat our Liberal)
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To: Kartographer

Mitt will ‘Perot’ the GOP primary vote so some uninspiring and not so conservative candidate can get the nod—if he can—and the MSM will push it hard. It worked last time.


17 posted on 04/08/2010 10:55:12 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kartographer

This will hopefully dog him into the primaries too, if he goes in with an ambiguous message about Bummercare.


18 posted on 04/08/2010 10:58:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Darkwolf377

Well, it’s not she’s out there for McCain every day. She made one or two appearances. She hasn’t really been talking him up or anything. In the big scheme of things she really didn’t do all that much.

And say what you will about McCain, but he was pretty strong during the health care debate, and he’s always been good on defense and natl security. I actually think he’ll be more conservative from now on. He doesn’t need to court the media to get the noination anymore. He doesn’t need to pretend to be moderate. He’s seen the true face of the media and the dems. That they never liked him and just used him to beat up on Bush and then tossed him aside once they had Obama. I suspect he’ll be pretty conservative from now on.

Besides, I don’t expect him to serve out the full term anyway. He’ll retire in 2012 to finish out his career as SecDef in the Palin administration.

And McCain still knows a whole bunch of people in NH, IA, SC, etc... He still has close contacts and networks. She probably doesnt want to do anything to needlessly antagonize them. McCain asked her to show up. It’s not like she parachuted in unannounced or rushed the stage Kanye West style. If she were to turn down his request that would pretty much be the end of any potential help down the road, not that that’s even guaranateed as it is.

Still. McCain could be of some assistance at some point in the future.

By pull a McCain do you mean squeeze through with a bunch of others splitting the conservative vote? I doubt it. As for the unenrolleds, I wouldn’t be surprised if the dems put together their own Operation CHAOS and Obama tells all his supporters to vote Palin and swing the nomination to her. A few thousand in IA would be enough to really change things.


19 posted on 04/08/2010 11:11:34 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Last I saw the dems arent even running anyone in SD. I wouldn’t count out Thune.


20 posted on 04/08/2010 11:13:10 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: ansel12
If the vice presidential candidate for John McCain and the the biggest GOP superstar since Reagan had not supported McCain for reelection for his Senate seat, then it would have meant the destruction of her image, and of the GOP image and it would have been the non stop political story of 2009 and 2010

No offense, but that's the worst political analysis ever.

Palin would have presented her position--in my mind, she could easily say something like she supported him, but didn't campaign for anyone in that race--and those who like her would see her point, and those who hate her would jump on it, and then next week they'd be bitching about some other thing.

Sticking to one's political beliefs is admirable; actively working for someone who stands for many of the things you're not makes her just another go-along to get-along insider. I can overlook that in this case, but she had an opportunity to say "We can't keep up this 'Pelosi is a nice lady' crap--all the back-slapping Washington stuff is why we're here today."

21 posted on 04/08/2010 11:14:21 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, mocker of those who haven't a clue)
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To: jeltz25
And McCain still knows a whole bunch of people in NH, IA, SC, etc... He still has close contacts and networks. She probably doesnt want to do anything to needlessly antagonize them. McCain asked her to show up. It’s not like she parachuted in unannounced or rushed the stage Kanye West style. If she were to turn down his request that would pretty much be the end of any potential help down the road, not that that’s even guaranateed as it is.

Just look at what you're doing.

This is why I am so hesitant about Palin--not so much her as her followers.

You're supporting the "Boys' Club" crap that has brought us to where we are today--but it's OKAY if PALIN does it.

Bullsh*t.

22 posted on 04/08/2010 11:16:09 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Conservative Bostonian, atheist pro-lifer, mocker of those who haven't a clue)
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To: jeltz25

Right, Thune is popular among Democrats and Republicans in South Dakota. They’re spending their money elsewhere in competitive areas. I’m not counting Thune out, he’s said he’s not interested in the White House.


23 posted on 04/08/2010 11:22:01 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: Darkwolf377

I don’t see the media leaving the story alone, I see it as becoming an all consuming tale of Sarah Palin, John McCain and the 2008 race, the Republican party, and the it would have dominated much of 2009 politics and 2010.

The half of the voting public that proudly voted for that ticket would be confused and feel betrayed and feel as though the two candidates had been hiding their true motives in the pursuit of the White House and self aggrandizement.

Sarah Palin would never have been able to simply demure from the reelection campaign of the head of her ticket, Palin dodged a bullet as someone who is good at political analysis said, Rush Limbaugh.

The general public would not be flocking to the Republican brand if they thought the party was cynical, duplicitous and in disarray and that the 2008 ticket had been a sham.


24 posted on 04/08/2010 11:28:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Why are the non "social conservative" Republicans so unconservative?)
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To: Darkwolf377

Well, like I said, it was a one time deal. If she was out there every week for him or something that might be a bit much. But a one time thing I don’t really see as a big deal.

I don’t see this as just the usual boys club. I mean, Bennett from UT is part of the club and she’s not out for him. Shelby from AL. etc... Also, McCain isn’t just another boys club member to her. For better or worse he’s the reason she’s where she is today. The reason her family and children are set up for the next few hundred years. She’s always said she’s personally fond of him, and I suspect if you spend 2 months with someone running for President and crossing the country, and especially in a race where you’re ahead and on the way to winning only to see an economic catastrophe(you had nothing to do with) come out of nowhere and condemn you to defeat, you probably become pretty close. She was in the foxhole with him so to speak.

He put her in line to be the leader of the party and the most powerful person in the world, not to mention the most powerful woman in history likely. The most famous person in the world. All that and more. Most were suggesting he pick someone else. But he showed enough faith in her.

The least she can do is so some faith in him.

I think she’s shown based on her history and other actions that she’s not really interested in protecting the boys club. I’m not too worried about her becoming part of any club.

No one in politics at this level is 100% immune to the old boy network. It’s impossible. Everyone does it, especially to those who helped them on the way up. Remember W and Santorum supporting Arlen Specter in 2004? This is nowhere near that travesty.

I think if you put her and most of the others you hear bandied about and lined them up on a scale of most likely to continue the old ways to least likely, most likely to fall in with the DC/Beltway crowd to least likely to, she’d be much farther along the least likely to side than the others.


25 posted on 04/08/2010 11:30:17 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: BigSkyFreeper

So did Obama at this point in 2006.


26 posted on 04/08/2010 11:31:25 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25

Yeah, but Obama is a narcissist. Thune is not.


27 posted on 04/08/2010 11:39:33 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Ked Tennedy would have been plowed... I mean, proud today..." - Senator Max Baucus (Drunk-MT))
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To: Kartographer

Romney is a snake in the grass RINO who would change EVERY position he ever took for a chance to be pres.
I want a REAL conservative, not a sometimes conservative when it suits him or her.


28 posted on 04/09/2010 3:29:40 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Just say NO to RINOs. (FUBO))
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To: ansel12

If the vice presidential candidate for John McCain and the the biggest GOP superstar since Reagan had not supported McCain for reelection for his Senate seat, then it would have meant the destruction of her image, and of the GOP image and it would have been the non stop political story of 2009 and 2010, the division between the ticket of the previous year would have made the Republicans appear broken and shattered and would even have led to a widespread reevaluation of the importance of a Democrat victory in 2008, because it would make the GOP ticket look like it had been a sham, it would have damaged and have prevented this incredible change in public opinion towards the entire republican brand that Palin has helped reshape during the last 17 months.

Palin would have looked cheap and shallow to the general public for turning on the man that 59,000,000 of them voted for, she would easily be painted as a radical and unstable person and a bitter, small timer to the general public. There is a lot more going on with the national image of the republican/conservative movement here than what we McCain haters see in the Arizona Senate race, the general public does not share all of our perceptions and in depth view of the race between McCain and Hayworth. They would see the Presidential and the vice Presidential candidates of the Republican party at each others throats, clearly signaling that Obama and the Democrats represented stability and calm.

Palin’s image would have never survived, and the entire national, conservative movement would be weaker in reality and in the public’s eye.


This is Liberal hogslop. Palin is supporting a Liberal RINO over a conservative. The only ones who would be concerned with Palin not supporting McCain are people who listen to the NY Times and MSNBC.

The conservative movement is weakened by re-electing another pro-illegal, pro-terrorist Liberal RINO like McCain. Your post is absolute Liberal nonsense


29 posted on 04/09/2010 3:55:10 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Sarah Palin: "I support Amnesty...not Total Amnesty". I guess they sell "Diet Amnesty")
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Willard needs to try harder because his book is not in the Top 100 Nonfiction on Amazon.com, hee hee.


30 posted on 04/09/2010 4:17:20 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: FrankR
I agree with everything you say.

Have you ever heard any politician answer a simple question with a straight forward simple Yes or No?

31 posted on 04/09/2010 6:03:24 AM PDT by dearolddad
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To: dearolddad; FrankR

Reagan did quite frequently, but then he wasn’t a politician, he was a statesmen.

Governor Palin has that same quality.


32 posted on 04/09/2010 7:28:44 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

I can see that politics isn’t really your strong suit, you are more of a emotional guy that likes to rant and play at being bold.

The vast voting pool of 120 million people see things differently when it comes to voting, they do not find comfort in a party that appears to be crumbling behind the scenes, people want stability and unity.


33 posted on 04/09/2010 9:22:31 AM PDT by ansel12
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