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Bush Official: We Knew Gitmo Inmates Were Innocent
Newser ^ | 04/09/2010 | Caroline Miller

Posted on 04/09/2010 6:01:07 AM PDT by autumnraine

The Bush White House knew that hundreds of early Gitmo detainees were innocent, but refused to release them because the admission would weaken support for the war in Iraq, according to a new document obtained by the Times of London. The charge, by Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, was made in a declaration in support of a lawsuit for a Gitmo detainee. Wilkerson claims that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees had been picked up, not by the US military, but by Afghans and Pakistanis for a bounty, and there was no evidence against them. But they saw it as "politically impossible to release them."

If innocent detainees were released, he writes, “the detention efforts would be revealed as the incredibly confused operation that they were.” Of Cheney, he writes: “He had absolutely no concern that the vast majority of Guantánamo detainees were innocent. If hundreds of innocent individuals had to suffer in order to detain a handful of hardcore terrorists, so be it.” Wilkerson also says he discussed the issue with Powell, who told him it was not just Cheney and Rumsfeld, "but also President Bush who was involved in all of the Guantánamo decision making.”


TOPICS: Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush43; colinpowell; detainees; effinpowell; liars; mferpowell; powell; traitorpowell
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The left going nuts over this.
1 posted on 04/09/2010 6:01:08 AM PDT by autumnraine
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To: autumnraine

I’m suspicious of anyone who worked for Colin Powell.


2 posted on 04/09/2010 6:02:31 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: autumnraine

Is this story true?


3 posted on 04/09/2010 6:02:48 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: autumnraine

I’m sure that Semi-Colon Powell’s lackey would call it straight, yes sir.


4 posted on 04/09/2010 6:03:35 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: autumnraine

What a load of crap! Innocent of what?


5 posted on 04/09/2010 6:03:38 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: autumnraine

More BS for you as you drink your AM coffee.


6 posted on 04/09/2010 6:04:23 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: RexBeach

It seems hundreds have been released already. We’ve only kept the ones that are really considered dangerous or war criminals. So I don’t see how this is even a major story...just some blow hard making noise because he wants to write a book.


7 posted on 04/09/2010 6:05:47 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: autumnraine

All the Americans who died on 9/11 were innocent, and the Muslim world celebrated. So I don’t really give a damn.


8 posted on 04/09/2010 6:05:47 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (If one racist Tea-Partier proves all conservatives hate, what do 500 Muslim suicide bombers prove?)
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To: RexBeach

Its another Wilkerson fabrication to sell books.


9 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:06 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yep, you nail it ... Colin Powell gives it away.

Innocent or not, the Geneva Convention allows retention of all POWs until war’s end.


10 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:06 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: RexBeach

....someone left a bs generator on overnight


11 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:10 AM PDT by himno hero
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To: autumnraine

Wilkerson is a liar. It’s just that simple.


12 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:40 AM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I’m suspicious of anyone who worked for Colin Powell.

I agree. This does not pass the smell test. My 'beeber' is going off.


13 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: autumnraine
The Bush administration did release many from Gitmo but how were they supposed to be sure what information against them another country had or did not have?

That is like blaming someone for not knowing what is in their neighbors refrigerator.

14 posted on 04/09/2010 6:07:24 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Figures.)
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To: autumnraine

If all of the Gitmo detainess were captured while on the battlefield, how could any of them be innocent? Perhaps one or two of them were delivering pizza and just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time... BS!


15 posted on 04/09/2010 6:07:44 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
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To: autumnraine

Someone can give some background on Wilkerson ? Sounds like a traitor to me.


16 posted on 04/09/2010 6:07:45 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: autumnraine

Hmmmm...why do I suspect that this information is NOT accurate?


17 posted on 04/09/2010 6:07:59 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: autumnraine

What does “innocent” mean in this context? Does it mean they were not active combatants against our military? They may very well have been taliban members that Afghanis and Pakistanis wished to be rid of.

Either way, I agree with the decision.


18 posted on 04/09/2010 6:08:12 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I call BS on this one. Another Leftist elbow at the ribs of the Bush Administration IMO.


19 posted on 04/09/2010 6:08:55 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: autumnraine

Anybody that worked for Colin Powell should be arrested and sent to Gitmo, as should his Chief A$$-Hat, Powell himself.


20 posted on 04/09/2010 6:08:57 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

They only celebrated because we were arrogant; The One told me so.


21 posted on 04/09/2010 6:09:41 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: autumnraine

I guess all those Nazi’s the French underground picked up and turned over to Americans as POW’s were wrongly detained also since there was zero evidence on them plus they were rewarded for turning over prisoners.

Heck, those wily French underground commanders could have just picked up any German and told him to put a Nazi uniform on or be shot.....


22 posted on 04/09/2010 6:09:42 AM PDT by HD1200
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To: autumnraine

“Minority Report” - We just captured them BEFORE they had time to become guilty. Yeah, that’s the ticket...


23 posted on 04/09/2010 6:10:14 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: autumnraine

Does not sound at all in character with George Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft, Tom Ridge or other honorable men we used to have in office or

I call BS on this one. And yes, the Colin Powell staff connection is not impressive.


24 posted on 04/09/2010 6:10:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: autumnraine
Wilkerson claims that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld knew that the majority of the initial 742 detainees had been picked up, not by the US military, but by Afghans and Pakistanis for a bounty, and there was no evidence against them

Wilkerson is at least 3 levels away from the vice president. There is no way he knew what Cheney did or did not know. When I was in a large organization, the guy 3 levels above me hardly knew my name, let alone have frequent conversations with me. There was no way I would have known what his thoughts, unless the entire organization knew it.

A reality check here shows Wilkerson is nuts.

25 posted on 04/09/2010 6:10:33 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bingo.


26 posted on 04/09/2010 6:10:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Dudoight

I never did trust Colon Bowel!


27 posted on 04/09/2010 6:11:08 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: autumnraine

A comment from the original cited article, conveniently left out by Newser:

“A former associate to Mr Rumsfeld said that Mr Wilkerson’s assertions were completely untrue.”


28 posted on 04/09/2010 6:11:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: autumnraine
majority of the initial 742 detainees had been picked up, not by the US military, but by Afghans and Pakistanis for a bounty,

Gitmo is not a penal institution but a detention facility. This means it's a place to put people until a matter is sorted out, and if someone is turned in for a bounty in a war zone that's pretty decent reason to detain them.

BTW, there are innocent people -- U.S. citizens no less -- who are detained every year in jails in every county in this country.

29 posted on 04/09/2010 6:12:31 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Tarpon

It took several years of discussiosn and legal explorations and twisting to even deternmione whether these guys (and who among them) had rights under the Geneva Convention, since they were not identifiable military members in uniform fighting for a nation at war in a declared war

minor points (sarc)


30 posted on 04/09/2010 6:12:46 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: Tribune7

you could have left out your left paragraph, not that it’s untrue but it looks like a lame excuse.


31 posted on 04/09/2010 6:14:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: autumnraine
I am certain that this F'n, RINO, Moonbat, Lawrence Wilkerson, will produce the "documentation" to prove his assertion any day now.

Waiting......

The absurdity of this allegation is beyond clueless. HOW exactly would Cheney or anyone else KNOW that the suspected terrorist were in fact, "innocent?"

32 posted on 04/09/2010 6:14:31 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Tribune7

LAST paragraph


33 posted on 04/09/2010 6:14:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

It did become known later that a goodly number were not directly captured but were seized for a bounty. While it would be expected that the high-ups knew from the start HOW the captures were made, these folks are going on to hold that kind of capture as synonymous with known to be innocent.


34 posted on 04/09/2010 6:17:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: autumnraine

This man has a head full of conspiracy theories about “neocons” and the “Bush Administration”. He’s unethical and opens his mouth only when he believes it will enhance his standing. This is nothing new.


35 posted on 04/09/2010 6:17:28 AM PDT by grimalkin (This paper by its very length defends itself against the risk of being read. - Winston Churchill)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s reality. If you are going to bitch about detaining innocent people at Gitmo you may as well bitch at the county sheriff as well.


36 posted on 04/09/2010 6:17:33 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Tribune7

There are agencies that do this. Your implication that the critics are inactive in this matter are far off the mark.


37 posted on 04/09/2010 6:18:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: silverleaf

If you capture people on the battlefield they are POWs. And yes it does accommodate non-State actors.

I agree, Bush needlessly mulled it around, mashed it up, and it came out almost meaningless. He should have just stated it’s a war, and these are POWs.

It’s only in hindsight you figure out how bad Bush was.


38 posted on 04/09/2010 6:18:24 AM PDT by Tarpon ( ...Rude crude socialist Obama depends on ignorance to force his will on people)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You understand when I say innocent people are detained in jails that they are detained as unconvicted and with the recognition of their presumption of innocence? IOW, they are charged with a crime but can't make bail.
39 posted on 04/09/2010 6:20:03 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: autumnraine

Wilkerson has a history of this. He just found a new place to dump his same old lies.

As the democrats would say “this is old news”.


40 posted on 04/09/2010 6:20:12 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: A_perfect_lady

I was just thinking the same thing. War is messy business.


41 posted on 04/09/2010 6:20:44 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: All

Colin Powell gave his support to a transparent enemy to the values of this great country, all because he happened to be black.
Former glory does not forgive present sin.
God Bless you, Mr. Powell for your service to this country while in uniform, but damn you to Hell for selling it out in the name of racialism and personal gain...


42 posted on 04/09/2010 6:21:07 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: Tribune7

You sound like you are changing your story.


43 posted on 04/09/2010 6:21:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: RexBeach

I would think if it wasn’t, that guy would be opening himself up to a lot of crap.


44 posted on 04/09/2010 6:22:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Dudoight

The specific charges?


45 posted on 04/09/2010 6:22:48 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: autumnraine
The dems must really be feeling the heat and getting desperate.

Time to gin up the anti Bush meme again!

46 posted on 04/09/2010 6:22:48 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You sound like you are changing your story.

You sound like you are reading things into my original statement that weren't there.

47 posted on 04/09/2010 6:22:57 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: Tribune7

Since this article was alleging that the Gitmo prisoners really didn’t belong, the parallel to the mistakenly convicted is obvious. Those in Gitmo didn’t even get the right to go before a court until several years afterwards.


48 posted on 04/09/2010 6:24:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: autumnraine

What, exactly, is Wilkerson trying to prove? That he can suck up to leftists? He was a State Department worker. He knew little, if anything, of what was going on in the Vice President’s office or in the Secretary’s office. What is his statement based on, other than rumor and conjecture? What does he have to back up his story?

As for General Powell, I personally don’t think he has anything to do with Wilkerson’s gabfest, and couldn’t stop him if he wanted to.


49 posted on 04/09/2010 6:30:25 AM PDT by popdonnelly (I'm so old, I remember when free enterprise was praised, and communism was shunned.)
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To: Tarpon
“Now” it does, because the courts decided it for the Bush administration, that any and all captured crazy religious fanatic psychos deserved Geneva Convention protection

But it didn't on 9-11. After 911 there was a period of years when the Geneva Convention status of these people was in limbo and outside of Geneva Comvention language (and intent, frankly)-

and you can still see that they well understand the Geneva Convention rules, by the way they operate, who and what and how they kill, the way they treat civilians and the way they treat our soldiers when they capture them

I can remember discussing Geneva Convention rules to a class of foreign military officers- the Ethiopian (Mengistu army man) stands out in my mind, He was completely bored and unimpressed. “If I catch my enemy I will kill him, if he catches me, he will kill me”

And no, you don't get Geneva Convention protection if you are captured in civilian clothes without any military ID on a “battlefield” (would that “battlefield” be a blown up marketplace, apartment complex, school, or police station occupied by civilians?) ... ask any American why the MUST as a minimum carry ID identifying themselves as a member of the US military, or what the risks are if they do not

50 posted on 04/09/2010 6:30:29 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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