Posted on 04/09/2010 9:52:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
My own opinion is that the federal government should be funded chiefly by tariffs -- and if tariffs are seen as hurtful to a national economy, then this is merely another powerful argument in favor of a vanishingly small federal government.
Look, TAXES ARE EVIL. The fewer of them we have the better.
If I want to read justifications for more taxes all I have to do is read some Leftwingtard rag ~ they've never seen a tax they didn't like.
But the fact is world trade fell by about half during the Depression. The fact that someone would actually trumpet the Depression years as "proof" of an argument against free trade shows the bankruptcy of the position.
That makes sense.
The problem with free trade as it is practiced today, is that it is not an equal exchange of goods, allowing countries economies to specialize.
We are buying labor, which they have an abundance of, but to get it, we are transferring our manufacturing capacity and technological know how. We are buy goods, and they are turning around and using the funds to buy technology companies.
Agreed, but you are going to pay some taxes. Carrier battlegroups don't sail for free.
The questions is do you want taxes based on income or consumption, and if consumption how applied?
Nobody claimed that Smoot Hawley caused the Depression. But it helped prevent recovery by starting a trade war.
This is part of it but it makes the same general error as many economists make; it takes a too mechanistic view of the problem. Bernanke, touted as a Depression expert, does likewise from a different perspective. In my view, the main problem was fear -- fear of the the guy who said "we have nothing to fear but fear itself." This fear was political in origin. The investing/producing sector of the population was demonized and attacked by the FDR administration at least as badly as we are now. Their expectation of worse treatment and assessment of investment risk was such that they holed up to wait out the storm. The economy shut down and stayed that way for a decade. It wasn't until 1. the exigencies of winning a war required FDR to sideline his loony-left advisors in favor of people who actually knew how things worked and 2. the Democrat stranglehold on Congress weakened that investors started to see some breaks in the threatening socialist gloom, were willing to put money and ideas at risk, and the economy finally turned back on.
I agree. I also think that a tax on one is a tax on all. Better put, a "special" tax on a small(er) group, like the notorious "rich," eventually spreads through the system until its effects are felt across the board by all taxpayers.
Someone finally gets it.....Smoot-Hawley had no impact on the Depression.
Of course, the Great Depression had its roots well into the mid-1920’s, and only the most liberal/socialist Free Trade Globalist would blame an action that did not take place until 1931
Unfortunately, the Liberal Free Trade Globalists have problems dealing with the facts when presented. With the Global economy crashing....mainly due to Globalist malfeasance in free trade and other areas....continuing a policy of Free Trade is like fixing the Yugo by sucking on the exhaust pipe.
One should consider Free Trade a bad idea when people like Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, George Soros, Hillary and Bill Clinton, the late Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, and many other Liberal Socialists support Liberal Free Trade Globalism.
Milton Friedman has stated that monetary policy by the Fed under Hoover and FDR turned a serious economic downturn into a raging economic disaster.
That makes sense.
The problem with free trade as it is practiced today, is that it is not an equal exchange of goods, allowing countries economies to specialize.
We are buying labor, which they have an abundance of, but to get it, we are transferring our manufacturing capacity and technological know how. We are buy goods, and they are turning around and using the funds to buy technology companies
Exactly...which means that “free trade” is not really “trade”. It is not an equal transaction
And, only the most extreme Liberal Free Trade Globalist thinks the trillions of dollars in trade deficit to Communist China is a good thing.....that is wealth re-distributed out of America that could have helped the US economy.
Also, by relying on foreign nations to make products...it puts the US in a national security bind if ever an emergency or war would take place.....imagine relying on the Communist Chinese for specific war materiel products....of course the Liberal Free Trade Globalists have no problems with this
My own opinion is that the federal government should be funded chiefly by tariffs — and if tariffs are seen as hurtful to a national economy, then this is merely another powerful argument in favor of a vanishingly small federal government.
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I’m with you. It worked better for us when we were under that tax system through 1914.
He isn’t sounding like an idealogue to me. He said that only 1.3% of US GDP was affected by Smoot Hawley and that the tarrifs went up from 40% to 50%, so it was a minimal change even within that small percentage. Until someone shows me he is wrong on these facts he has persuaded me.
Carrier battlegroups don’t sail for free.
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We could focus on defending the Republic and be less involved in defending other countries around the world. We have military in over 100 countries (or some absolutely ridiculous number) right now.
Again a good review of ALL facts, like this article, demonstrates how often the maxim: correlation is NOT causation, when some facts are selected, out of the context of the whole, and, wrongly, given cause and affect status with each other.
The article shows well how trade protectionism alone could not have caused the depression.
I have read other articles that have shown that “recessions” of all types have been deeper, more frequent and more “systemic” (affecting a wider swath of economic activity), SINCE the Federal Reserve System was established that before it existed.
Apparently, the only thing the Federal Reserve System did was institutionalize the economic cycles, not end them, and it also make them more subject to the artificial manipulation of the institution - the Fed; that artificial hand cannot, CANNOT, prevent, ease, adjust and repair for the natural economic cycles better than the “unseen” hand of the marketplace.
“But the fact is world trade fell by about half during the Depression.”
Yes, trade fell, PRIMARILY BECAUSE domestic economic activity in many countries fell. People had less spending money so they bought less, which meant they bought fewer imported goods. And yes, in that way, “the depression affected trade”.
But, the decline of many states economic activity, and the decline of trade (as if it could be sustained when economic activity falls) does not prove protectionism as the cause of the major decline of trade during the depression, or as a major cause of the depression itself.
Sure, but what does that have to do with the form taxes take?
Government caused and sustained.
Close to 100% tax on capital gains and on the top marginal rates made sure the depression was sustained.
You previously said: Carrier battlegroups don’t sail for free. (as an argument against a form of taxation that doesn't generate as much revenue as the current income tax)
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I am saying I'll take the lower taxes without the world straddling colossus of a military please.
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