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Did Hawaii have any records on Obama before 2006?
post & email ^ | April 8, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 04/09/2010 10:11:55 AM PDT by Red Steel

THE POST & EMAIL THINKS NOT

The Hawaii Department of Health continues to ignore and stonewall legitimate requests for information which under its UIPA law should be made available to a requester within ten days.

Mr. John Charlton, our Editor-in-Chief, has made three requests for such information from the Health Department beginning in early March which the Health Department either says it does not understand or to which it has failed to respond at all.

On February 26, 2010, Mr. Charlton published an article demonstrating the Health Department’s increasing reluctance to comply with UIPA requests. He had asked for copies of handwritten pages from the “Birth Index” maintained before Hawaii’s birth records were computerized and had offered to pay for the cost of obtaining them. Specifically, he was looking for anyone with the surnames Payne, Dunham, Soetoro and Obama.

Instead, the Health Department sent a PDF file of births with the parents’ names redacted. None of the names for which Mr. Charlton had asked appeared on the list, although Mr. Charlton had obtained information independently that at least one person with one of the last names had been born during the period in question.

Since that time, Mr. Charlton has made three more requests to the Hawaii Department of Health, none of which has been addressed. The PDF which Janice Okubo, the Health Department’s Public Information Officer, released to Mr. Charlton did not contain the information he had requested.

On March 4, 2010, Mr. Charlton sent the Hawaii Health Department the following email:

(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...


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1 posted on 04/09/2010 10:11:55 AM PDT by Red Steel
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Ping.


2 posted on 04/09/2010 10:12:37 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: butterdezillion; MissTickly

Info ping.


3 posted on 04/09/2010 10:13:58 AM PDT by Red Steel
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If/when it is found and proven that obama is not an American citizen and is therefor ineligible to be President, Healthcare becomes null and void...


4 posted on 04/09/2010 10:14:02 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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That and lot else — would be nice.

But they will probably trot out Slow Joe Biden and he'll sit and resign everything the usurper previously approved.

6 posted on 04/09/2010 10:15:13 AM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: Red Steel

Proof positive something is being hidden.


7 posted on 04/09/2010 10:19:23 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: Red Steel

“Instead, the Health Department sent a PDF file of births with the parents’ names redacted”


8 posted on 04/09/2010 10:19:49 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Red Steel; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
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Did Hawaii have any records on Obama before 2006?
post & email ^ | April 8, 2010 | Sharon Rondeau

THE POST & EMAIL THINKS NOT

Specifically, he was looking for anyone with the surnames Payne, Dunham, Soetoro and Obama.

Instead, the Health Department sent a PDF file of births with the parents’ names redacted. None of the names for which Mr. Charlton had asked appeared on the list, although Mr. Charlton had obtained information independently that at least one person with one of the last names had been born during the period in question.

Check out the (frustrating) correspondence shown at the link.

9 posted on 04/09/2010 10:23:23 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Maverick68

If/when it is found and proven that obama is not an American citizen and is therefor ineligible to be President, Healthcare becomes null and void...


I disagree with you. If it were found that he was ineligible, even if everyone agreed to undo what he was unqualified to do, the heathcare disaster should still be law.

The President may sign a bill into law, veto it, or refuse to act on the bill. If the President does not act on the bill, after 10 days it becomes law. If Obama signing the bill were undone, wouldn’t it be as if the President did not act on the bill at all? Executive could/should be undone, but I don’t think this should.


10 posted on 04/09/2010 10:25:37 AM PDT by samson1097
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To: samson1097

>> The President may sign a bill into law, veto it, or refuse to act on the bill. If the President does not act on the bill, after 10 days it becomes law. If Obama signing the bill were undone, wouldn’t it be as if the President did not act on the bill at all? Executive could/should be undone, but I don’t think this should.

You are mistaken. A bill cannot become law without signature. If a President does not act, it is a “pocket veto”.

SnakeDoc


11 posted on 04/09/2010 10:28:15 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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To: Red Steel
This is very interesting. I think a possible explanation (which doesn't help in getting at the truth) is that pressure has been applied from above, or implied from above, so there's no UIPA co-operation to be had from anyone in that department.

You don't have to be too smart to know that your civil service job will be history if you tread on Obama's toes. And there's probably enough goons around to make you worry about more than your job.

12 posted on 04/09/2010 10:29:48 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: samson1097
Seems to me it would be like a fraudulent preacher marrying a man and a woman.

After the fraud was discovered, the marriage would become null and void.

Just my $.02

13 posted on 04/09/2010 10:31:15 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: Red Steel
Note that by “Birth Index”, I mean that index which regards grants of Certificates of Live Birth, not Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.

Say what? I said a long time ago they needed to investigate the hand written original birth indexes. Why is he wanting the COLBs? Unless it's backdooring it but he'd still need to index to the actual vault copies.

14 posted on 04/09/2010 10:33:20 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Red Steel

I believe there is something 0dumbo doesn’t want seen
but what Bc did he use to get his drivers license SS card etc

I think he had been using the one he made up ( or his grandparents ) made up , perhaps even after he came back from Indonesia.

he would have needed some form of a BC prior to his run so I don’t think Hi made up one in 2006. I think one was fabricated long ago.


15 posted on 04/09/2010 10:35:06 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Red Steel

For later read.


16 posted on 04/09/2010 10:35:53 AM PDT by Tucker822
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To: Red Steel
Are there any pics of him as an infant in Hawaii? All I have seen are adolescent pics that his campaign released.

I have not followed this very closely, thanks!

17 posted on 04/09/2010 10:37:41 AM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: samson1097

But THIS bill is considered law because the President signed it NOT because of his inaction.
I should be null and void as with EVERY piece of legislation he has signed.


18 posted on 04/09/2010 10:39:02 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: SnakeDoctor

A pocket veto can only happen if Congress has adjourned. Otherwise, the bill becomes law with or without the president’s signature.


19 posted on 04/09/2010 10:40:26 AM PDT by Cincinnatus
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To: Red Steel
Note that by “Birth Index”, I mean that index which regards grants of Certificates of Live Birth, not Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.

Say what? I said a long time ago they needed to investigate the hand written original birth indexes. Why is he wanting the COLBs? Unless it's backdooring it but he'd still need to index to the actual vault copies. Also, why is everyone dealing with the health department? Go to the county clerk's office. It's all on file there and lots easier to get into.

20 posted on 04/09/2010 10:41:05 AM PDT by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Red Steel

Supposedly there were a couple of birth announcements in the paper shortly after his birth.

Are these real? I heard this from a right leaning local talk show host.

Could they have placed these announcements recently?


21 posted on 04/09/2010 10:48:26 AM PDT by tips up
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To: tips up

Anyone could have placed them, including family, which could submit the info it wanted published. That includes a cover story to make a mulatto birth to an unwed teenager seem respectable.

All the newspaper birth announcements prove is that he was born.


22 posted on 04/09/2010 10:53:52 AM PDT by Jedidah (Character, courage, common sense are more important than issues.)
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To: Red Steel

BHO ping


23 posted on 04/09/2010 10:57:44 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: tips up

It is possible that the Obama operatives did a ‘cut and paste’ job on the few known microfiches inserting the Obama birth announcements, but the more likely scenario is that Grandma ‘Tut’ Madelyn Dunham had them placed in the Hawaiian papers by whatever means.


24 posted on 04/09/2010 11:00:47 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Surely, surely Netanyahu and the Mossad can get to the bottom of this. But don’t be surprised if instead of helping us expose this fraud, they trade the information for bunker buster bombs and air cover for their strike on Iran. If the Whitehouse does a 180 on their attitudes toward Israel, it will confirm my tin hat theory.


25 posted on 04/09/2010 11:03:25 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Surely that thought has crossed the Israelis minds by now if it had not before because of the way Israel is being treated by Obama.


26 posted on 04/09/2010 11:06:42 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tips up; bgill

There’s news regarding the birth announcements but I can’t disclose it yet because it could jeopardize further research.

The same thing is true of the probable amendment Obama made.

And regarding this request by Mr Charlton, we know these documents do, in fact, exist because the DOH’s retention schedules say those have to be maintained permanently. When I asked for the records by their specific name (as given in the retention schedules)they said they didn’t know what I was talking about. So I sent the clarification below. I’m thinking of posting the retention schedules (or maybe just the relevant pages of them) on my blog.

Bgill, maybe you could look at the retention schedule once I’ve got it posted and see if there’s a record that would be better to ask for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Aloha!

VR-1 Birth index (p 21 on retention schedule)
VDR-1 Delayed BC Index (p. 22 on retention schedule)
VDR-6 COHB Index (p 23 on retention schedule)
VDR-10 Index to certificates of foreign birth (p 19 on retention schedule)

I’ve enclosed the retention schedules so you can see what I’m talking about. There should be either original copies or microfilms. Since these are from 1961 they would not be computerized. I’m asking for electronic copies of the original or microfilmed records, including everything that was authorized for public release before UIPA was passed in 1988 (name, birth date, and certificate number - which were public since at least 1977; see p. 11 of OIP Opinion Letter 90-23 ) since UIPA was not intended to close any previously-authorized disclosures (see Opinion Letter 90-04 (page 6 ) . Any other information may be redacted if its disclosure was not authorized before 1988 and an exemption to disclosure applies)

I just noticed that VDR-10 begins in 1981 so there would not be any records for 1961. My apologies for that mistake.


27 posted on 04/09/2010 11:08:04 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

bttt


28 posted on 04/09/2010 11:09:22 AM PDT by timestax (Why do LIBERALS pay NO TAXES$$$? eh)
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To: little jeremiah

Ping.


29 posted on 04/09/2010 11:10:48 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Truth is a Weapon

That bears watching —


30 posted on 04/09/2010 11:13:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Red Steel

He is wasting his time trying to convince them. The only way he will ever get anything is to hire a lawyer and sue them. If it is found that they have been violating the law, he can claim legal costs.


31 posted on 04/09/2010 11:16:18 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: samson1097
The President may sign a bill into law, veto it, or refuse to act on the bill. If the President does not act on the bill, after 10 days it becomes law. If Obama signing the bill were undone, wouldn’t it be as if the President did not act on the bill at all? Executive could/should be undone, but I don’t think this should.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States

If he isn't eligible, they did not present the bills to the President.

32 posted on 04/09/2010 11:16:37 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: SnakeDoctor
You are mistaken. A bill cannot become law without signature. If a President does not act, it is a “pocket veto”

Yes it can.

From Article I, section 7:

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States;[2] If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

A "pocket veto" is that last case, that is, Congress adjourns before the expiration of the time limit to sign or veto.

But the bill must first be presented to "The President".

33 posted on 04/09/2010 11:20:04 AM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Red Steel

Thank you.

Looks interesting.


34 posted on 04/09/2010 11:23:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Or if a man or woman already legally married marries another spouse, the subsequent marriage is null and void.


35 posted on 04/09/2010 11:25:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah; All

Did anyone read the comments? This one is unusual:

Posted by: riccy44 Apr 09, 12:32 AM

Hello LTC sir, I hope you read this,
I support you for your stand on Obamas birth.
I will tell you and the posters here what I know.
I knew Obamas grandfather and his mother and father in Hawaii.
The story is much longer then will post here, I know about births in Hawaii during this time.
At this time the only way births were posted in the news was by family posting it.
The mother father, nurse ,doctor and 2 other witnesses signed the birth papers within the first 30 minutes of the birth.
I met Obamas mother and father in 1961 right after they came back from Africa with their baby
who was born in Africa.
I remember they had some complaint about not being allowed on an airplane back to USA from Africa account
her pregnant condition. I heard this both from Obamas grandfather and his mother and father.
I also remember they had some trouble with the baby having no papers , passport to come back to the USA from
Africa.
Obamas mother father and grandfather had much anger against the USA government and were very socialist,
markzist in their beliefs.
I also know in Hawaii during this time in 1961 almost all government things could be changed, just by who you knew
and who they knew. Every thing worked on the comshaw , TRADE, or money.
Maybe the birth papers were also fixed in this way. Obamas grandfather was a player also was known to be gay.
http://comments.americanthinker.com/read/42323/574256/page-6.html

I Binged riccy44 and discovered this at Breitbart.com.

riccy44 February 28th, 2010 – 3:53 pm
Dr. Drew, I also tried to tell about OBamas grandfather his mother and father in Hawaii and got no where 4 years ago. Fox, and many talk show hosts.
Obamas family were all marxist. had words with grandfather his mother and father. They got very angery when you did not see things their way.
I was at rallies they had, some at U of Hawaii 1961- 1962 – 1963. The first was shortly after they had come back from Africa with new baby. I know the truth, No one will listen, I am not a kook , for those who want the truth here it is.
I could care less where he was born. some do, his mother was a U S citizen.
In Hawaii during this time the family put in the paper of any births. The hospitals did not. This can explain how got into news papers at this time.
I knew of some who came from mainland and other countries who got record of live birth in Hawaii when had none when they came to the islands. Parents went to human services swore child was theirs and documents were given ,
a certificate of live birth from State of Hawaii. This was most for welfare and public money for support or military dependants.
To get birth certificates need the doctor and hospital and seems was 3 others to be witness account Hawaiian race issues. Father and mother both had to sign this document shortly, within the first hour after the birth.
Good luck JOHN DREW on the fight for truth. Watch your back as these
people are ruthless.

John C. Drew, Ph.D. March 2nd, 2010 – 10:35 pm
- riccy44


36 posted on 04/09/2010 11:25:40 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Touch Not the Cat

Would ole Slow Joe be VP if he ran on an ineligible ticket?

I know that means Pelosi, but after November (actually January) maybe not.


37 posted on 04/09/2010 11:27:25 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: bgill

IIUC, since there are only a few counties in Hawaii, one per Island, that the state registrar’s office served as the county office.


38 posted on 04/09/2010 11:29:09 AM PDT by edge919
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To: El Laton Caliente

Pelosi should also be kicked out for filing Democratic nomination papers to every state which eliminated the statement that Barack Obama was constitutionally eligible. That is considered fraud!


39 posted on 04/09/2010 11:30:23 AM PDT by jcsjcm (American Patriot - follow the Constitution and in God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: Red Steel

The conclusion of the article:

Since the Hawaii Department of Health has not responded to Mr. Charlton’s recent UIPA requests, it appears that they have affirmed that there is no documentation on file to indicate that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, when his name should have appeared in the Birth Index. They know that if they release the information he has sought, Obama’s name will not appear in it, and Obama’s lies will be exposed to the world.

If there were nothing to hide, the Health Department would have released this information months ago to quell the rising doubts about Obama’s birth story.

Perhaps Obama presented some type of evidence to Dr. Fukino and received a COLB. Perhaps that is why the certificate number has always been obliterated: it does not correspond to the series used in 1961 because it was issued much later. According to the Western Journalism Center, there are five different ways in which a Hawaiian birth record can be obtained, including as an adult.

According to Hawaii’s UIPA law, once Fukino made a public statement about Obama’s records, the index data, or pieces of information used to formulate the statement, should have been readily available to the public upon request. Instead, the state of Hawaii continues to try to limit the public’s access or ignore requests completely despite its declarations of openness in government. Why the obfuscation if there is nothing to hide?

The Post & Email will not stop its investigation until we receive answers to these questions.

Is it possible that the Director of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, granted Obama a “Certification of Live Birth” sometime in 2006 or later when he was planning to run for president? Fukino is the only person in the United States to affirm that Obama was born in Hawaii. No hospital, doctor, nurse, witness or other individual has come forward to corroborate her story.


40 posted on 04/09/2010 11:35:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: jcsjcm

It is going to take a herculean effort to get the established media, government, and the judiciary to honestly look at Obama’s past.

What needs to be done is to physically hold their heads in place that they have no choice but to open their eyes, metaphorically speaking. Easier said than done though.


41 posted on 04/09/2010 11:38:18 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: tips up; bgill

Here’s the link for the records retention schedule. I wanted to upload it as a PDF so people could make the print larger for readability but between me being a computer moron and my computer doing a lot of strange stuff lately, this was the best I could do:

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/doh-records-retention-schedule/

Bgill, do you think the vital records ledger, VCR-3b, might be what we actually need?


42 posted on 04/09/2010 11:39:07 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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Bookmark for later read


43 posted on 04/09/2010 11:39:17 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jcsjcm; LucyT

Very interesting.

LucyT - check out jcsjcm’s comment!


44 posted on 04/09/2010 11:42:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Red Steel

RS - have you read comment 36 yet?


45 posted on 04/09/2010 11:45:39 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: little jeremiah

Yes, I read it. I believe Lakin’s courageous stand will get more witnesses to step forward as that post above testifies. A lawyer for Lakin should depose his testimony for the court.


46 posted on 04/09/2010 11:52:19 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: little jeremiah

Hey, LJ!

Did you see the troll world weary get zotted?


47 posted on 04/09/2010 11:53:28 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Because without America, there is no free world" - Canada Free Press - MSM, where are you?)
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To: jcsjcm

I agree, but you have to take congress before any move in this dirrection could even be made. Otherwise, with the dims in charge, it will continued to be covered up.


48 posted on 04/09/2010 11:55:13 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: jcsjcm

The Drew story is interesting, because it has certain elements of truth ... or at least potential truth. I’ve been thinking that Obama may have been born in transit. It makes sense because under standard procedures, the final destination, so to speak, can be legally claimed as the place of birth. A ship pass, plane ticket or a captain’s affadavit might have been all that was needed to ‘verify’ the birth. The port of departure then becomes the city of birth (and no hospital, doctor or midwife).

I believe SAD’s friend, Susan Blake, said something about receiving a postcard from SAD who was on a ship at the time. And it struck me as odd that Mombasa would be claimed as a place of birth since Barak Sr. lived closer to Nairobi. If you were going to make up a story that Obama was born in Kenya, you would pick Barak Sr.’s hometown or the closest city. If they were in Mombasa, maybe they were traveling by ship and had to depart from there since it’s a seaport.

Then it’s reported that Tammy Duckworth said Obama was born in Indonesia, like herself. Also, spokesbabe Janice Okubo made an offhand comment that if you were born in Bali, your COLB would say you were born in Bali. Well, Bali is part of Indonesia. How odd she would pick a country where Obama had actually lived. Maybe she was telling the truth about where Obama was really born.

So now I’m thinking, what if Obama was born en route ... if you traveled from Mombasa across the Indian Ocean, you might stop in Bali (or another part of Indonesia). Of course, it’s possible that if you were flying, you might have connecting flights through Indonesia too. But either way, maybe the baby is born en route, but later claims any one of several different cities or countries as your place of birth to different people. I’ve never been convinced that Obama knows for sure where he was born, so maybe he’s just told different stories to whoever wants to listen. Granny Dunham just made sure to register her daughter’s baby in Hawaii to make sure he would be an American citizen. Just thinking out loud ...


49 posted on 04/09/2010 12:09:03 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Yeah, by JR himself. It was greatly satisfying. :-)


50 posted on 04/09/2010 12:09:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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