Skip to comments.Zot Is the Health of the State
Posted on 04/09/2010 11:29:45 AM PDT by fascistsoup
" The more terrifying the occasion for defense, the closer will become the organization and the more coercive the influence upon each member of the herd.
War sends the current of purpose and activity flowing down to the lowest level of the herd, and to its most remote branches. All the activities of society are linked together as fast as possible to this central purpose of making a military offensive or a military defense, and the State becomes what in peacetimes it has vainly struggled to becomethe inexorable arbiter and determinant of mens business and attitudes and opinions " -Randolph Bourne
I am a former member of the US military that has served time in the Persian Gulf and I have done counter narcotics operations in the Caribbean. I am familiar with warfare and Im not afraid to stand up in defense of the nation should the need arise. However, Im also not afraid to confront what psychologists call cognitive dissonance. Cognitive dissonance is the uncomfortable feeling one gets when holding two contradictory ideas at the same time. Wiki describes it thusly, The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support ones choices.
Ive spent quite a bit of time recently resolving the cognitive dissonance that arises from justifying the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq with my strong limited government view points. On this subject, I have reached the conclusion the nations founding fathers reached centuries ago: War is the health of the State. Ultimately, if one holds that government is a coercive and dangerous institution, one must reject all wars that are not defensive in nature and that do not involve the stake of national sovereignty.
Washington had it right when he said, Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! It is a dangerous servant and a terrible master. There is a reason why the Constitution does not establish a standing army. In fact, the Constitution mandates that the Congress review the need to even have an army every two years if one should ever be created. Congress has the power To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
You see, a truly free people dont even need an army. Ladies and gentlemen we have over 65 million gun owners in this nation at last count. Chinas entire military only numbers around 3 million active and reserve troops. It is impossible that any nation on this earth could ever invade and conquer us when so many of us own guns. The Constitution says we should have a standing Navy to defend our trade routes and our shores, but an army is an entirely different matter.
The nations of Afghanistan and Iraq are not threatening our national sovereignty. There is no invasion force of armed jihadists looking to land on our shores and conquer New York. The hijackers that attacked us on 9/11 were Saudi and could easily have been trained or funded anywhere on this planet, even on our own shores. The threat of terrorism can not be solved through warfare.
The nation has spent well over a trillion dollars fighting the multiple wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The results to-date have been somewhat disappointing. While we can look at Afghanistan and Iraq and say we have created and installed governments favorable to us, we also must look at the damage we have done to ourselves if we are to be fair.
A trillion dollars taken from the public and spent on the machinery of the State is a trillion dollars less the public has in their pockets. The government has no money. It has your money. The wars have massively expanded the State. I find that it is irreconcilable to hold the view that government is an evil institution of force that must be limited, while at the same time holding the view we must wage war to install favorable governments in foreign nations.
The founding fathers felt that warfare should only be engaged in to save the nation from tyranny. That armies should only be created when absolutely necessary to defend against an invasion of such tyranny, that standing armies are a direct threat to liberty. Jefferson was quoted as saying, Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. And while this may indeed be true, the last part of the phrase is just as telling as the first. Jefferson himself viewed a standing army as something to be feared.
I personally fear the government more than I fear terrorists. I have a gun and I can defend myself from terrorists. It is impossible to defend oneself from a coercive domineering government. We should be looking at ourselves as the defenders of this nation, not government. I do not need rough men standing ready in the night to protect me. I need the freedom to protect myself.
Ultimately this cognitive dissonance must be faced by each and every one of you that support the tea party while also supporting the wars. The tea party movement has grown from the basic distrust of government instilled in us by the natural rights of man and the founders of this nation. If you support the tea party and what it represents, in order to be in agreement with your position, you must ultimately reject foreign wars where the sovereignty of the nation is not at stake.
“I have a gun and I can defend myself from terrorists.”
Unless they fly a plane into you.
Or blow you up remotely without you knowing they’re there.
Fat lot of good a gun does against a remotely detonated bomb.
You do know how to post replies, right?
“If you support the tea party and what it represents, in order to be in agreement with your position, you must ultimately reject foreign wars where the sovereignty of the nation is not at stake.”
Fallacious statement, premise not supported.
Especially since you seem to rail against our current dustup with the Taliban, and their proxies in Iraq.
Terrorism doesn’t respect sovereignty, or borders, or beliefs.
It does not care whether you haven’t bothered them.
I’d like to venture a guess that these keywords are yours:
afghanistan; bloodlust; cheneyites; christianslovewar; iraq; neocons; warmongers;
Looks like you got a single-handed ZOT! Congrats!
FRiends don’t let FRiends ZOT alone.
I am so in love with you it’s not even funny.
For the lowdown on ‘cognitive dissonance’, watch this.
Well, I wasn’t sure I was teh only one who saw him.
About 300+ looked things over as I watched.
But they left the thread bare of comments.
That was fast!
IATZ! Good shot.
I’m pretty certain FS there thought he was being clever.
But he seems to forget that, as I mentioned, terrorists and terrorism don’t give a rats butt who one voted for or whether or not you want to understand them.
Terrorists only want to spread death, misery, and Islam to all, and by killing him and anyone else irrespective of how isolationist one wants to be the said message will get spread.
I just wish it wouldn’t take LOTS more people dying for some to ‘get it’.
Some won’t ‘get it’ until it is personal.
ronpaulites, like DUmmy True Believers, are hopeless.
Wasn’t me, I merely parked my butt over there in teh corner and prodded here and there.
The poster initially had this in RLC liberty caucus forum.
You stuck lima beans up your nose, didn’t you?
I can tell by the way you post.
It’s a gift.
It’s horrible to say, but may they experience deep personal loss while being called a dhimmi.
Nasal bean beetle insertion when he was seven, definitely.
well done. back of the hand, fwap!
Five inning shutout. Pretty impressive stats.
IATZ and no I'm not going to read that entire post.
Love the Kitten...I think yours beats the laser beam eyes viking kitten, or maybe a close tie.
Well, that’s what I get for spending the afternoon watching the Masters, then having dinner and TV later with the wife. I missed another one.
That being said, what fascistsoup says about wars needing to be defensive in nature makes me wonder if we have another Paulbot (or some retread) at work here. They come...and they go...
“That being said, what fascistsoup says about wars needing to be defensive in nature makes me wonder if we have another Paulbot (or some retread) at work here. They come...and they go...”
That’s okay..........as long as they go ;-)
Is that you, Alice, er, Alex Jones?
And that's just what I'm doing again this afternoon, going back to watching the Masters. My annual trek to my easy chair and TV. Nothing takes precedence over Augusta...
The course looks beautiful this year. The greens are perfect. Was sorry to see Freddy have his back problems yesterday. I’d love to see him, along with Tom Watson, stay in contention.
I meely posted the visible parts.
There were like 300+ views by the time he got the zot.
FS seems to have not liked a bunch of the keywords as it appears that he added ‘cheneyites’, ‘neocons’, ‘bloodlust’, ‘warmongers’, and ‘christianslovewar’.
He got the zot shortly after those keywords were added.
(That’s why I’m guessing he added those.)
I always liked that word, “bloodlust.”
It just isn’t used enough...
Hey, that was GOOD!!
Westwood or Mikelson??
Mickelson’s been there. Westwood, as good as he is, is the contender between the two. And his record is spotty in majors compared to Mickelson. I pick Mickelson.
Tiger, of course, looms in the background. But both Mickelson and Westwood would have to faulter for Tiger to win. Possible, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Can’t recall a half-hour of excitement like we had yesterday. Can it be surpassed today? Oh, boy...
“Mickelsons been there. Westwood, as good as he is, is the contender between the two. And his record is spotty in majors compared to Mickelson. I pick Mickelson.”
So do I, and for no other reason that Mikelson is cool, calm, collected and confident.....the sign of a winner!
what a whiny little b@#!$
When Mickelson had his back-to-back eagles yesterday, Westwood faltered. He recovered and survived, but that shows the pressure he’s under. Having not been this close to a major win, there will be far more pressure on him today. And Mickelson’s coolness, as you note, may well be the deciding factor.
The guy's also soliciting funds for the sale of an email telling the contributor how to lead their life.
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I reserve the right to stop ordering you around at any time should I become bored with you.
Not only a troll, but a huckster troll.
Well, that's what it takes to be a huckster at this level.
I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.
Where do we send the money?
Can we send cash in an envelope or does he take PayPal?
It’s at the link, if you’re so inclined...