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Should we be criminalizing bullies?
Washington Post ^ | April 7, 2010 | By Ruth Marcus

Posted on 04/09/2010 5:52:25 PM PDT by Ptarmigan

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To: Jack Hydrazine
gentle with human beings (non-bullies) and vicious toward the wolves (bullies).

I'm gonna go off again.

My brother hung himself after a life of bullying. He had juvenile Cushing's Syndrome. He went through puberty at 10. Full beard and body hair. Short. Fat with a camel's hump on his back. Moon face. And the jerks of the world never missed a chance to torture him. He was defenseless. Damn them all.

61 posted on 04/09/2010 8:39:00 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Not incoming fire but I will ask a couple questions. I agree with you about the sexual relationships and her parents needing to be informed so they could get her help. But outside of physical violence that could be proved, what can the schools do about she-said/she-said, gossip, jealousy and sleeping around? I can tell you...not much. If there is physical violence on campus, they can address that but they have to know about it. If they see she is despondent or upset, they can try and talk with her about her mental health and contact her parents but she has to want to talk about it.

I don't have a problem with transferring her to a different school but if what you say is true about her other school in Ireland, there's no guarantee that "trouble" won't continue to follow her. I think that it is terrible that she died, but I think you bring up some good points and it would probably be good to hear more about this girl's story.

62 posted on 04/09/2010 8:39:07 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: devere

I’ve already mentioned my bullying case in the thread but I was finally able to “deal” with one of the perps without even throwing a punch. lol This crap had been going on for months and I don’t know if someone had pissed in my Wheaties that day or what but I went batsh*t crazy on the girl. She said something really nasty to me during class and shortly afterwards, I got permission to go to to the restroom. I needed to gather my thoughts, if you will. I no sooner closed the bathroom door with that girl came busting in continue picking at me. I can’t remember exactly what I said but my 5’2” 120lb frame literally exploded with rage and I was screaming at the top of my lungs at her. I’m sure I looked demon-possessed and ready to kill her at the time. lol I turned around and threw open the bathroom door so hard that it slammed against the wall and walked back to class. I don’t know what she did after that but it took her a few minutes before she came back to class. She never spoke to me again until a couple months later when she broke up with the loser and apologized to me. The loser exboyfriend continued to harass me but he didn’t have her to manipulate anymore.


63 posted on 04/09/2010 8:54:56 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: NM92
I agree and I will agree with the sentiments of other posters here who have said that schools need to change some of their policies. When I was in school, they had a policy that if you were involved in a physical fight...it didn't matter who started it, everyone got into trouble and possibly suspended. Even if the other person started it. IMO, this creates a false sense of security much like gun-free zones create. You'll have a small percentage of the school population creating havoc for the rest of the students who are afraid of the school rule and don't want to get into trouble for standing up for themselves. And really, going to the guidance counselor to have a sit down chat with all parties involved doesn't usually help in bullying cases.

That policy is still in place and I've already told my kids that if they can't walk away and someone starts a fight, they have my permission and support to defend themselves regardless of what the school says will happen.

64 posted on 04/09/2010 9:09:34 PM PDT by TNdandelion
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To: Glenn

I’m sorry for the pain inflicted on you and your brother.


65 posted on 04/09/2010 9:14:00 PM PDT by berdie (Hey, Bill Mahr...That's Mrs. Cracker to you.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Wow, they arm junior high school girls in Israel! Who knew?


66 posted on 04/09/2010 9:15:27 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Stentor

Far too many people on these threads assume that their kid can whip the bully any time they choose to. It seems your child was one of those. Unfortunately the opposite is more often the truth.


67 posted on 04/09/2010 9:22:10 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I stated on another thread, that if this poor girl hadn’t killed herself this wouldn’t be a story. Bits have been coming out, and I have been wary at judging the other teens before the whole story is told. We do know that Phoebe wasn’t actually unpopular, but she was a freshman having sex with various boys. And yes, she incurred the wrath of some older girls. Beyond one soda can throwing incident, we don’t know how far the “harassment” went beyond the girls calling her a slut online and to her face. I think everyone should keep in mind, that most kids who aren’t already troubled, do not commit suicide because of high school drama.


68 posted on 04/09/2010 9:48:45 PM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: panthermom
When I was growing up bullys were not like today. They didn't run in gangs there were maybe 2 or 3 through to the 6th grade and it was always boys on boys and one on one...Girls didn't get into fights in school. But my mother warned me* don't you ever start a fight but by god don't you ever run from one..*

Only had one in High School, got sucker punched from behind, instinct took over, my books went sailing and when I faced her, she decided to quickly walk away....My reaction was unexpected I guess she just thought I was a runner, if I ran my mother wouldn't have given me he!! when I got home.. The viciousness of todays kids are because they know the school cannot stop them and their parents won't...

69 posted on 04/09/2010 10:17:12 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: antceecee

She is my kind of lady.......:O) good parenting..


70 posted on 04/09/2010 10:19:41 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Why thank you G.G.! She is my kind of lady as well... love her to pieces!


71 posted on 04/09/2010 10:24:16 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
One son that was in the Navy did 2 6 monther on an Air Craft carrier in the Med...he said all the girls in Israel were beautiful and carried big guns on their backs...(shoulder). Naples was full of crooks and pimps and that the Augean Sea was beautiful. That was back in the last 70’s to Ronald Reagan....
72 posted on 04/09/2010 10:28:24 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: meyer

Bullies will happen as long as kids are herded into socialist schools by the gummit.

Private schools and, even more, home schools are much more bully free.


73 posted on 04/09/2010 10:32:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Glenn

I am so sorry for your brother...your pain is still with you and its hard to deal with when someone takes their own life & hard for the one’s left behind...


74 posted on 04/09/2010 10:35:42 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

When, as a boy, I had to suffer idiots who would clamber over the top of the bathroom stalls when I was in there doing my business, my mom suggested I put ammonia in a squirt gun and shoot them in the face. I declined that (maybe that was fortunate as I learned much later that ammonia could do permanent eye damage), BUT it seems to me a mixture of vinegar and Tabasco sauce would also be effective and do no permanent harm. An empty travel-size shampoo or dish detergent bottle having a small dispenser hole would work almost as well.


75 posted on 04/09/2010 10:44:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
good old red neck ingenuity....:O)
76 posted on 04/09/2010 11:07:20 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny

You are exactly right regarding the school and the parents. It kills me to say this but nothing in this day and age makes anyone move faster, especially a school, than when you show up with a lawyer!


77 posted on 04/10/2010 4:18:54 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Wow, I admire your mother-in-law for teaching your husband to go “old country” on those bullies.


78 posted on 04/10/2010 7:58:15 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Black and Free!!!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Religious girls, too! They carry pistols most of the time.


79 posted on 04/10/2010 8:37:59 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: brwnsuga

Especially if you knew her. She was the tiniest, daintiest, holiest, sweetest lady you could imagine. But, that is what she told him — just bleed all over them, and they’ll leave you alone. That’s what we did in Sicily! LOL.

Of course, his friendship/mentor relationship with the beer truck driver didn’t hurt either. That’s one instance of being good in math saved his bacon!


80 posted on 04/10/2010 8:57:17 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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