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Worst-Made Cars on the Road
Yahoo, Forbes ^ | Friday, April 9, 2010 | Hannah Elliott

Posted on 04/12/2010 8:05:57 AM PDT by throwback

If you want to drive something dependable and long-lasting, steer clear of these vehicles.

With a 22% improvement in sales last month, and despite the six-month, $4.3 billion loss it announced Wednesday, General Motors is likely to have its strongest spring and summer in years. Plus, the automaker had critically acclaimed new products at the recent New York Auto Show and the much-anticipated Chevrolet Volt is due out this fall.

More from Forbes.com:

• In Depth: Worst-Made Cars On The Road

• Navigating Your Way Through Traffic

• Cars With the Best Gas Mileage

Year-over-year sales of GM's Cadillac division alone are up almost 76%; sales in the Buick, Chevrolet and GMC divisions were each up more than 40% for March. The industry as a whole was up 24.3%.

Unfortunately just because GM's cars are selling well now doesn't mean they're the best bet for durability or value -- yet. It'll take awhile before GM's new direction shows up in tangible new products at the dealership.

Four of the seven vehicles on our list of the worst-made cars on the road come from GM brands.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automotive; cadillac; forbes; gm; gmbailout; governmentmotors; govtmotors; worstmade
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Government Motors may still have some quality issues. Maybe some of this is politically correct propaganda, though. Is the F-250 that bad? I have an F-150 with 90k miles and no problems yet.
1 posted on 04/12/2010 8:05:58 AM PDT by throwback
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To: throwback

I don’t know about the F-250, but I just bought an F-150 STX....that truck gets 20.5 MPG which is much better than the prior two Dodges I had. I am entirely happy with this truck - and it is not Government Made.


2 posted on 04/12/2010 8:11:03 AM PDT by Gaffer ("Profling: The only profile I need is a chalk outline around their dead ass!")
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To: throwback

Worst made car on the road right there. Gas milleage doesn't really mean a whole lot when you are a red smear on the highway.

3 posted on 04/12/2010 8:11:33 AM PDT by chris37
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To: throwback
I have an F-150 with 90k miles and no problems yet.

And I have a 1998 Ford Expedition SUV with 196,000 miles and still running like a charm. Conversely every GM product I have owned (Olds Cutlass, Pontiac 6000, Chev Lumina, Pontiac Grand Am) have been complete dogs. I have literally replaced the entire vehicles with major repairs & maintenance. I will never buy another GM product again, especially now that they are GM (Gubmint Motors) products.
FUBO!!!
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4 posted on 04/12/2010 8:14:19 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: chris37

It’s for people who missed their change to buy a Yugo...


5 posted on 04/12/2010 8:14:22 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 445 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: chris37

It’s a golf cart with a body...


6 posted on 04/12/2010 8:15:22 AM PDT by FrankR (Those of us who love AMERICA far outnumber those who love obama - your choice.)
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To: rcrngroup

I retired my ‘94 Sururban with 262,000 miles on it. Ran it hard as a work vehicle, and it racked up a lot of miles over the couple of years before we finally moved from the Puget Sound area to the north Idaho woods. Drove over here almost every other weekend to work on the place.


7 posted on 04/12/2010 8:17:48 AM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: throwback

The Jeep Wrangler is included. Not to cast doubt on this report but there’s only one car in the list, the Aveo. All the rest are larger vehicles which leads me to believe the test criteria is skewed towards fuel economy and safety crash tests.


8 posted on 04/12/2010 8:17:53 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: throwback

Boycott all GM products. The government beast must be starved; in fact, boycott most union-made products.


9 posted on 04/12/2010 8:18:15 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: throwback

I can see all the others on the list, but the F-250? I’m puzzled by that. I never owned one, but I’ve been in several and know folks who have them.

jw


10 posted on 04/12/2010 8:19:09 AM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: throwback

I love my 2007 H3. I had a 1996 Ford Explorer that I loved as well.


11 posted on 04/12/2010 8:19:17 AM PDT by Badeye (Lets not screw up 2010 and 2012 the way we screwed up in 2008.)
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To: rcrngroup
every GM product I have owned (Olds Cutlass, Pontiac 6000, Chev Lumina, Pontiac Grand Am) have been complete dogs.

I've owned two GM vehicles -- a '79 Caddy sedan and (currently) a '96 Tahoe. No problems at all with either. But I wouldn't buy anything new from them.

12 posted on 04/12/2010 8:20:45 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: throwback
Government Motors may still have some quality issues.

Maybe hydrogen is not the best thing to use.
-Captain of the Hindenberg

Maybe we should slow down with all the ice this far south.
-Captain of the Titanic

He's black! It's historic! What could go wrong?
-American voters November, 2008

13 posted on 04/12/2010 8:21:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: chris37

When did this go electric? I thought the “Smart” car was gas powered??? The gas version is a joke. My Mercury Milan with a 5 speed and 4 cylinder gets better highway mileage thet the Smart car. I want a 2010 Ford Fusion or Milan with 4 cylinder and a 6 speed manual gearbox. I would guess it gets 40 to 42 mpg highway.

The Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan also has a great safety rating.


14 posted on 04/12/2010 8:22:12 AM PDT by Frantzie (McCain=Obama's friend. McCain called AMERICANS against amnesty - "racists")
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To: JWinNC

I was puzzled, too, until I saw that they were relying on “Consumer Reports”, an entity which I not merely do not respect, but actively hold in contempt.


15 posted on 04/12/2010 8:23:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: chris37

Isn’t the Volt also seriously overpriced? Somewhere I read the MSRP exceeded $30K.

For less protection and speed than the Aveo, a crappy car in its own right with a 36 MPG rating, you can put 144,000 miles on an Aveo even with $5 per gallon gas and still come out ahead once the time value of money is calculated.


16 posted on 04/12/2010 8:24:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rcrngroup

In a way I have to agree. Just now replacing the engine on my C2500 with 568,000 miles. Hope I get the same out of the new engine. One transmission at 370,000, about 5 alternators, and two radiators. Not too bad.


17 posted on 04/12/2010 8:24:40 AM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yup....pox on CR!


18 posted on 04/12/2010 8:27:19 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Barack Obama is Osama bin Laden's relief pitcher.)
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To: throwback

Neither of my Nissan’s are on the list! Plus, they weren’t made by union thugs!


19 posted on 04/12/2010 8:28:43 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I love my GM cars and I dont care who made them or who owns the company. Flame away.


20 posted on 04/12/2010 8:30:25 AM PDT by mono
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To: chris37

That isn’t a car designed for 20 years of use. It is a marketing plan to get Americans to give up the idea of driving a personal motor vehicle wherever they want to go.

It is a transitionary device to get people into less purposeful vehicles, carrying very little about, and eventually giving up the “headache” of a car altogether.


21 posted on 04/12/2010 8:31:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: FrankR

It’s a clown car without the costume.


22 posted on 04/12/2010 8:32:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: Frantzie

Stupid Smart Cars, they look like they are going to flip sitting still.


23 posted on 04/12/2010 8:35:04 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: throwback; tubebender
Trucks are obviously a no-no.

That's discrimination against rednecks!

24 posted on 04/12/2010 8:36:24 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Congress is out of order!)
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To: throwback

So: what do you do with your Prius when it has 100,000 miles on it and it needs a new $6,000 dollar battery?


25 posted on 04/12/2010 8:37:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Pan_Yan

“Government Motors may still have some quality issues.”

Government Motors doesn’t have to worry. If things get really bad, Obama will simply mandate that we buy their cars on grounds that the company needs its “fair share” of the market and that evil profit-maker Ford needs to have its “obscene” profits trimmed to “socially acceptable” levels.


26 posted on 04/12/2010 8:37:30 AM PDT by DrC
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To: mono
I love my GM cars and I dont care who made them or who owns the company. Flame away.

It's hard to argue with someone who simply states an opinion without a reasoned argument or facts. It's your opinion, and you are entitled to hold it.

27 posted on 04/12/2010 8:38:02 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished...)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The visible difference in track width from front to rear is the part that I find disconcerting - it makes the Smart Car look like an enclosed grocery cart.


28 posted on 04/12/2010 8:38:27 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: a fool in paradise

It would come in last in a go-cart derby.


29 posted on 04/12/2010 8:39:06 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: DrC
If things get really bad, Obama will simply mandate that we buy their cars on grounds that the company needs its “fair share” of the market

It can be accomplished by making the older cars illegal same as they have done away with functional toilet bowls and incandescent lighting.

30 posted on 04/12/2010 8:41:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: chris37

31 posted on 04/12/2010 8:41:46 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: JWinNC
I can see all the others on the list, but the F-250? I’m puzzled by that.

I suspect the rating on the F-250 has a lot to do with the 6.4L Powerstroke engine. They were very unreliable, very costly to repair and nothing at all like the previous 7.3L in terms of longevity.

32 posted on 04/12/2010 8:42:04 AM PDT by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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To: throwback
I have an F-150 with 90k miles and no problems yet

You've put 90,000 miles on a truck since Obama bailed GM out?

33 posted on 04/12/2010 8:42:06 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (VP Biden on Obamacare's passage: "This is a big f-ing deal". grumpygresh: "Repeal the f-ing deal")
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To: throwback
I am currently driving a Chevy Astro Van with 780,000+ miles. Runs great.

At 6'5" and 250 pounds, I just don't fit comfortably in those tiny econo-boxes. If I'm not comfortable, I cannot drive safely

34 posted on 04/12/2010 8:42:55 AM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: DrC
If things get really bad, Obama will simply mandate that we buy their cars on grounds that the company needs its “fair share” of the market and that evil profit-maker Ford needs to have its “obscene” profits trimmed to “socially acceptable” levels.

That'd be covered by the "General Welfare" reference in the Preamble, I reckon.

35 posted on 04/12/2010 8:44:12 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: chris37
I agree. Those Smart cars should come with handles along the sides for the pallbearers. Then then can simply use the car as your casket.
36 posted on 04/12/2010 8:44:40 AM PDT by One_American
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To: chris37

Actually one of the best-made cars on the road. Don’t confuse small with poorly made. It gets safety ratings the equivalent of much larger cars.


37 posted on 04/12/2010 8:48:38 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: chris37
Gas milleage doesn't really mean a whole lot when you are a red smear on the highway

But....but....but.....test after (government-sanctioned and developed) test has shown that these compact cars are safer than 95.4% of every other vehicle on the road!

Wait....wait... "I'm a good enough driver so that I don't NEED to worry about getting turned into a red smear on the road."

Oop...wait.... "Dammit! It's my life and my prerogative, and I can risk it by driving whatever car I want to, Dammit!"

Does that about cover all of the FReeper arguments for the "smart car" thread? :-)

FWIW, I think that in a big car, the car takes the beating and in a small car, you take the beating. It's simple physics, really. But logic and reason have no place for "what car to drive" threads. :-) :-)

38 posted on 04/12/2010 8:50:38 AM PDT by wbill
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To: rcrngroup
I wouldn't own a GM car, but GMC trucks have always been quality vehicles IMHO. I have two GMC trucks, one is a 1999 with 235,000 miles and the other is a 2005 with 112,000 miles.

Never had a lick of trouble out of the 1999 until a couple of weeks ago when I mentioned giving it to my daughter when we buy a new one, then the oxygen sensor went out the very next day. I told hubby "truck is angry" (Poltergeist II movie reference), LOL! We got it fixed for less than $200 through a neighbor.

I had to replace the wheel bearings on the 2005 after 95,000 miles. Other than that, not a bit of trouble out of either vehicle. We also owned another GMC truck prior to that and never had any trouble out of it. The only Ford we have owned was a 1986 Tempo and that was a total POS.

My late Dad was a GM employee...non-union, he risked his life to cross the picket lines many times...and while I am not happy with the bailout and bankruptcy, I will continue to buy GMC trucks for their quality. Sorry, but I won't spend that much money on a vehicle that has to last me at least 5 years based on emotions.

However, I do agree with your comment "FUBO!!".

39 posted on 04/12/2010 8:51:16 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: throwback

Isn’t the Escalade just a tricked up Chevy Suburban?


40 posted on 04/12/2010 8:51:21 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rcrngroup

My ‘97 F150 has 258,000 miles and is still going strong. It’s been a workhorse.


41 posted on 04/12/2010 8:52:06 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: JWinNC
but the F-250.... There was a comment on another thread that said something about the 250 serving the niche market of states that required a commercial license to drive the F-350. Said that the 350 was a better truck, for about $1000 more.

I dunno, I've never driven either one of them. Just repeating what was said.

42 posted on 04/12/2010 8:53:20 AM PDT by wbill
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To: throwback

anything made by Land Rover since late 1980s...suck suck suck suck suck suck suck.

former owner 1995 Ranger Rover Classic, 1990 Ranger Rover Classic and 1995 land Rover Discovery

former owner 1970s Land Rover 110...that was a good off road vehicle

Best car I ever owned...2000 Toyota Land Cruiser...incredible and a 2005 Dodge MegaCab Diesel 3/4 tonne truck


43 posted on 04/12/2010 8:54:17 AM PDT by wardaddy (Will adobe ever fix shockwave to work consistently?)
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To: a fool in paradise

No, I confess, it’s pre-Obama F-150, although it does have an anti-Obama bumper sticker on it. My truck and my dog are both right wingers. Well, I’m assuming. I haven’t heard my dog say anything good about Obama, so I assume we agree.


44 posted on 04/12/2010 8:54:45 AM PDT by throwback
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To: ArrogantBustard

I agree with your asseessment of CR.


45 posted on 04/12/2010 8:55:09 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Frantzie

One problem with the Smart is how they introduced it in the US. In Europe it’s a 600cc turbo insted of a one-liter non-turbo here. There gas is about 50mpg, diesel about 80mpg. That’s combined mileage. Highway mileage is mostly about the aerodynamics of the car, and the smart isn’t the slipperiest mainly due to how short it is. In the city where the mass of the car matters most, the Smart gets a big help from being much lighter than almost every other car on the road.


46 posted on 04/12/2010 8:55:57 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Gaffer

It surprised me too that that is on the list.


47 posted on 04/12/2010 8:58:59 AM PDT by DManA
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To: throwback

All dogs are anti Obama because dogs have good sense about people. That BO dog, currently in the WH, is actually a prisoner. He would run away, if he had the chance. Remember Buddy, the Chocolate Lab? He committed suicide — just threw himself in front of a car — rather than be cooped up with Bill and all his babes.


48 posted on 04/12/2010 9:03:05 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: throwback

For GM cars and trucks made before the 2009 model year, it’s a question of priorities, and I haven’t owned a GM car since my first lemon. Post-2009, it’s a question of patriotism, and I would not own a GM government motors car at any price, including for free. GM is on my permanent boycott list.


49 posted on 04/12/2010 9:06:07 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: saganite

I have an 89 Chevy subdivision myself with over 300,000 miles on it. I bought it used with 148,000 miles on it over ten years ago and it is still running strong.

Back while I was still working, I had the rear springs rearched and an overload spring added. That came in handy a few years ago when I had it heavily loaded moving a complete bedroom set and some other things from Akron ohio down to Florida.

The only problem I really have with it is the poor quality sheet metal which is getting a bit rusty. The rust is what will eventually end the trucks useful life. The bolt-on parts can easily be replaced, but the sheet metal is harder to fix and after awhile becomes too expensive to bother with.

I might wind up buying another used Suburban with a good body and transplanting the good running gear from my current truck to that one just to get around the rust problem.

The Suburbans are just too good to get rid of because they really fill a niche for me in that they can carry both cargo and people in a way that no car can match.

I had a brand new Chevy one ton K30 Crew Cab pickup back when I lived in near Chicago and it started rusting out after it’s second year. That particular engine, a small block 350, was also known for bad tempering (hardening) on it’s cam shafts and was the object of a ‘consent decree’ as a resulf of a federal lawsuit. My cam shaft had to be replaced after only a few years also.

I only got about 69,000 miles on that truck before I got rid of it. On a trip to Arizona and back, it only averaged 6.8 miles per gallon while carrying a slide in camper.


50 posted on 04/12/2010 9:08:06 AM PDT by dglang
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